How long before the CIA and FBI out this administration?

[hector459]

No one forced Bush and Cheney to continue to lie when the facts showed differently. Scott Ritter was called "unpatriotic" and painted as liberal fanatic by FOX News who relentlessly still continues to smear any opposition to this President and his lying administration.

How can Bush stand before the American people and PRETEND to want to help the men and women working for our intelligence agencies when those who stepped forward to challenge Bush before the Iraq invasion were summarily smeared, fired, or ridiculed?

[benburch]

1. They have been doing it in a small way right along.

But without any support from the "press" the whistleblowers have been left twisting in the breeze. No way they will do anything that might endanger themselves if it has so tiny a chance of working.

[DeepModem Mom]

2. I think the CIA met it's match in the Bush cabal --

I think the cabal has won.

[dbt]

5. I don't know, Mom...

I'd still like to put about twenty bucks on the CIA. Talk about knowing where the bodies are buried and all that...

[dbeach]

3. Scott Ritter says Iran is next...

Hector..my difficult question is this: " Are the US Military and Intell agencies so afraid of the Truth about bush lies or are they compromised and I do mean as in knowingly participating in the Treason of the executive branch.

I would suggest reading "American dynasty" By Kevin Phillips who lays out the bush family history and their connections to wall st.,
big oil ,defense industry and war profiteering..

"http://english.aljazeera.net/english/Templates/YourComments.aspx?NRORIGINALURL=%2fNR%2fexeres%2f1B5FCF4A-FBF6-443A-93A9-5E37C43FDE0B%2ehtm&FRAMELESS=false&NRNODEGUID=%7b1B5FCF4A-FBF6-443A-93A9-5E37C43FDE0B%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest
But, based upon history, precedent, and personalities, the intent of the United States regarding Iran is crystal clear: the Bush administration intends to bomb Iran.

Whether this attack takes place in June 2005, when the Pentagon has been instructed to be ready, or at a later date, once all other preparations have been made, is really the only question that remains to be answered. "

[hector459]

11. So then, would Iran be justified in a "pre-emptive" strike agains the US?

By our own standards of security it would seem that would be the case, God forbid. I think this administration is inviting disaster upon us all through their fascist agenda.

[wtmusic]

16. I'm sure there must be something in the works

either there or North Korea...you can only heap shit on the world for so long

[AlCzervik]

4. with Cheney's toadie Porter Goss over at the CIA

i don't know that it will ever happen unless a rogue element starts leaking things.

[spindoctor]

21. Exactly

CIA has been effectively shut down and is now under necon control.

If it wasn't the CIA this would scare me.

[HereSince1628]

6. Probably never

BFEE has rearranged the chairs so that their players are in place.

We will be made to believe that those analysts who contributed to the "bad intelligence" have all been raplaced by fully competent players trained in the techniques of "Team B"(Google Team B for an education).

One of the basic tenets of Team B was just so...when faced with uncertainty err in favor of the worst case. That is EXACTLY how the crazies in the basement generated false reports of WMD, but the general public will never know that).

[WilliamPitt]

7. No time soon

Bush won that war; all his people sit in the top spots - Gonzales at Justice and Goss in CIA. Between that and the Plame warning - whistleblow and we will crush your family - you won't see much from these agencies anytime soon.

Maybe in 100 years when the files and memos get declassified...

[i miss america]

22. In 100 years ...

I don't believe there will be any memos or files of any relevance remaining to be declassified. It's Goss' job to see to it that things are sanitized ASAP.

[wtmusic]

8. Now that DOD is starting its own Black Ops intel unit

I think it may be the other way around

[unhappycamper]

14. It isn't the DOD. It should be renamed the DOW.

It's not about defense, it's about war. Much the same as MSM really isn't media, it's Corporate Owned Networks.


sorry, i feel better now.

[Blue_Roses]

9. I just don't get how the CIA let the administration pin

the "bad intel" on them regarding the WMD. It was obvious they didn't agree with this administration and it's even been stated so, so why are they taking the hit--so to speak for this:shrug:

Is protecting the lies of our President more important than protecting the people of the US? If so, then why even have a so-called democracy.

[mattclearing]

27. It's possible that they not mutually exclusive.

Revealing the depths of our corruption is a significant national security risk. These are people who are accustomed to keeping secrets for national security reasons, and also stand to lose their freedom for speaking out.

[DulceDecorum]

10. I think they are still fighting over

who gets to be the top.

The only good thing is that
if one of them does finally rid the world of the other,
that party will not be missed.

Incidentally, Bush claims to support the troops but NEVER will he rise from his bed and go to Washington to sign a measure to assist them -- unless the cameras are rolling and Rove's foot is is in its designated holder.

[Julius Civitatus]

12. It won't happen, and this is why...

The Bush administration has done their best (from day one) to neuter the intelligence community. First they pressured and twisted the arm of the CIA into providing false intelligence to support their neocon plans to invade Iraq. They went as far as to outing an undercover CIA agent because of her husband's open opposition to the neocon plan (the Plame affair).

Once the Bush cabal got their wishes and the neocon plan went ahead, it was then revealed that most of the intelligence provided was either false or inaccurate. What did the Bush admin. do? Well, of course, instead of taking responsibility for their flawed plans, they blamed the CIA.

After getting away with blaming the CIA, they managed congress to approve a plan to restructure CIA and the intelligence system. The Bush admin. used this as an excuse to purge the CIA of all dissenting voices, leaving an army of yes-men commanded by the inefficient lackey of Dick Cheney, Porter Goss.

They have screwed the CIA at every corner, and then managed to dissemble and slowly dismantle the institution and replaced it with "Team B" yes-men willing to provide whichever custom "intelligence" their masters require to justify their imperial plans.

[bullimiami]

13. sadly, the bastards in this admin are the dirtiest insiders in

all of these areas.
as hw bush was. republicans have infiltrated and corrupted all of our security and defense establishments.

[TWiley]

15. Remember the CIA man Richard Dullas?

Kennedy fired his ass for assassinating the president of South Vietnam. Then after Kennedy's assassination, ole dull-ass wound up filtering all the evidence that the Warren Commission was allowed to see.

How does this work? Man fired by the one who was assassinated gets to decide what evidence will be used to find the conspirators? And then we name an international Airport after him?

George Bush Sr was also head of the CIA. I would not look to that organization to out their children. After all, they are too busy investigating liberal (commies) democrats who oppose the war.

[dbeach]

20. Bush sr was head of CIA. ..and he has lots of pals there still..

Its all bout bush and their crime cartel..From Sam Bush to Prescottraitor,to KGB I {King George the first}to KGB II..
The nazi like bush cartel has been consolidating their power with the goal of looting the treasury of every country in their way..
Wilder than science fiction is the history of bush ..the red,white and blue-blooded crime family..

What happens when the Executive branch has committed Treason..and is getting away with it..??
Where are the voices of the Generals and /or other top govt career
bush will ruin this country like many CEOs ruin their companies like he riuned all his business deals..and bush will walk away..
not even indicted..

3 branches of govt exec., jud.,and leg. designed to protect the citizens is about to .....???

[TWiley]

23. That is the frightening part

>>>>3 branches of govt exec., jud.,and leg. designed to protect the citizens is about to .....???<<<<<

Is about to come under absolute control of the bushtapo? Yep, that is just about how I read it myself.

The problem with the judicial system (from the eyes of the evil-doers) is that they can actually charge the bushtapo with criminal activity, or force them to divulge information that would condemn them in the end.

They already control the executive and legislative branches. With control over the judicial branch, then we would all be.....well, fucked.

[napi21]

17. I disagree with most of you. Leaders have power, but not total.

There are thousands of people in the CIA, and I'm positive that they are not real happy with Shrub blaming all the mistakes on them!

These are the people who know where all the bodis are burried, and I don't think it's possible for any leader to be able to silence them all!

It may take a little longer than we would like, but my bet is on several members of the CIA to get very disgusted and spill it all!

[Gold Metal Flake]

18. The FBI and the CIA do NOT fucking CARE about Amercia!

If they did, it would be over for Bushco and the structures that support it.

The FBI and the CIA and the NSA and the rest are IN THIS WITH BUSHCO!

If there are large groups of members of these organizations that belive in what America was and what it should be, then let them make that known to me. If they wanted to, they could.

I'm not holding my breath.

C'mon, you cowards. I dare you.

[dbeach]

24. CIA, FBLIars and the rest...

have failed the citizens..They are ALL part of the problem.They work for the privleged not the people.
Operation Paperclip allowed the nazi apparatus into the OSS which became the CIA as you know..
Traitor families like bush and others whom we don't know their names have been undermining this USA for yrs..Now most pols are in with the power elites and this is gonna get worse.

Shocking is when smart folks say Prescott Bush was just another business man. He is in the National Archives for war profiteering. He was caught.
Yet the USA is also caught..caught napping as the nazi , commie or zionist's or whatever they are..strangle LIBERTY.

A NG deserter and his criminals are doing what other Tyrants only dreamed of and are not backing down.

[adigal]

19. Remember all of the leaked memos right before the election?

Watch for them to come out in force now. And the NY Times has been writing about them.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. They can out it all they want - but if the media doesn't report on it

no-one knows about it. It's always projected as "a few disgruntled agents, etc."

[hector459]

28. You make a good point. When will the CIA out the MSM then?

I'm waiting.......

[Chicago1]

26. The CIA & FBI have leaked already...Bush can only do so much

The various members of the CIA and FBI already leaked information quietly during the election investigation and I'm sure keep doing it on an ongoing basis. There are leaks everywhere...but these people are going to leak to people who will get them in trouble. They know how to get the word out!!! :)

I disagree with those that think this IDIOT can sit there and silence everyone. HE CAN'T. There are ALOT of people who don't agree with him and aren't going to let him get away with more crimes.

The Bushes are on the way OUT and the scandals are on the way IN.


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[TWiley]

30. It is not just that single idiot.

>>>>I disagree with those that think this IDIOT can sit there and silence everyone.<<<<

It is true that the rodent is an Idiot. It is also true that some kind of unnatural force is laid against the intelligence community, and the media.

Could the answer be as simple because we are generally moving toward a fascist state? Who would benefit from such a government? Business in general? Well, the MSM is also a business,and the government is also a business. (at least in the eyes of the republi-craps)

Could it be true that there is a small portion of this country which holds the key positions necessary to pull this transition off.

Besides, the FBI and CIA have always been ultra conservative organizations who primarily look out for business intrests.

[jmowreader]

29. I don't think they can

Who owns the press? The BFEE.

If the Deputy Directors of Operations and Intelligence at the CIA, NSA, NRO, NPIC and a handful of other intel agencies called a press conference to out Bush, you'd get one guy from Faux News in the audience. He would go back to his den and put out a story claiming the DDOs and DDIs have become insane.

If these same eight people started a website detailing the crimes of the BFEE, they'd be derided as loopy bloggers.

People, there is NO leak that can get rid of Bush except for MAYBE a natural gas leak. (And because the good die young and the evil live forever, Bush will survive the explosion.)

There is no political scandal that can unseat him.

The only thing that could possibly unseat Mr. Bush is lipstick on his dick.

[Disturbed]

31. The CIA has never been a defender of

Democracy. The CIA is the defender of Amerikan Capitalism.

[jmowreader]

32. The CIA is also a defender of Its Own Ass

Its Own Ass (IOA(tm)) is currently under siege by Bush because Bush Fucked Up Bigtime and Needs Someone to Blame.

Bush started a fucking war, people. Everyone who's been here longer than a week knows this, but because there are new members every day we need to repeat it as often as possible. Bush started a war, he murdered 1500 of his own people and 140,000 or so Iraqis, the international community wants to put him in a gunny sack with a cinderblock in it and drop it in the Potomac, and now he needs someone to hang before the 7th Guards Airborne Division invades Washington and hangs him.

So who's he gonna blame? Not the oil industry, who wanted the Iraqi oilfields. Not Halliburton, who's making money hand over fist on the current unpleasantness. Not PNAC, who owns him. And not the troops, who would help the 7th Guards if he started blaming them.

Oh hey! Why not the Intelligence Community! They didn't want to get behind his folly, everything they do is classified so they can't just start printing end products in the paper, and everyone thinks all they do is sit around and light cigars with their petty cash because they have Black Budgets and no one knows how much money they get, spend or use to bribe dictators, so it's easy to make them scapegoats. And besides, a nice reorganization (where we stick people whose only qualification seems to be Absolute Fealty to George W. Bush into very high positions in these agencies) would make Bush a popular man.

So Bush is blaming the IC for his fuckup, the IC doesn't like it, and payback's a bitch.

In general, the community doesn't deserve what Bush is putting it through. Most of the people who work in it are nice folks with kittens who go to work each day, do things that are important to America, and have barbecues on the back porch on the weekends. The desk in charge of subverting democracy, running drugs, propping up dictators and whacking people the president doesn't like (you know, the fun stuff they make movies about) isn't very big. If he wants to do away with that part, not too many people would mind; I certainly wouldn't.