Evolution debate hasn't really changed

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Evolution debate hasn't really changed

By Alexandra Witze
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS

March 31, 2005

DALLAS – Even teachers call it the E-word.

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology, yet many teachers face disapproval and even anger for teaching it, more so than for any other lesson plan.

Nearly one-third of science teachers say they feel pressured to teach creationism or other nonscience-based alternatives along with evolution in their classrooms, according to a new study by the National Science Teachers Association.

How to face that pressure – and defuse it – is the topic of several major lectures at the group's annual convention, which starts today in Dallas.

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[Tux]

1. How about

Telling Christians that they need to enter relaity, drop creationism, and deal with it. If the universe doesn't support ID, it's wrong. The best bible ever made is the universe.

[Runcible Spoon]

5. to be fair, it's not all Christians or even most...

this is coming from me, the conflicted scientist/spiritual secular humanist. Try to figure that one out! This agenda is being pushed by a particularly nasty and vocal subfaction of Christians. I ask non-Christians to avoid typecasting all of teh Christian faith of supporting this bullshit, since many also support science and evolutionary models and at the very least the majority agree faith should be a private affair and not to be entangled in public education. I ask Duers of the Christian faith who abhor ID/Creationism in public schools to speak up!

[jojo54]

2. Aren't schools actually part of the state?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are they an entity in themselves? If either of these, then why are they pressured by the religious sect about teaching evolution......there, I said it...EVOLUTION!

This is why there is a legislative law that states "seperation of church and state". The church needs to stay out of the public schools. If parents/ministers and/or priests etc, certain political parties have such a problem with evolution being taught in public schools, then they can pull their children out and send them to private christian schools.

[On the Road]

3. It Hasn't Changed Because

the anti-evolutionist side hasn't developed its own theoretical arguments.

There could be a real creationsist science, which would use scientific methods to show that the world popped into being on "X" date and various species appeared on "Y" date. It's been about a century and a half. They have a lot of science to catch up on. Until a real scientific theory exists, the concept should not be taught in classrooms.

[Selteri]

4. I'm sure that with sufficient technology...

we could actually made creation work that way, though prolly never on that kind of time scale, science takes time and requires patience and a rational mind.

What rational mind would want to do a rush job of creating a universe, forming a planet, setting up all the variables, planting all the flora then seeding the fauna and making a sentient capable race in 7 days.

Wouldn't you rather it happens over a long er progression so you can make sure you do a good job with it?

[hfojvt]

6. Look around

It seems obvious to me that this world and this species was not done very well. I could believe that this world was created when god was walking across his kitchen and accidently dropped an egg. He just has not gotten back with the towel yet to wipe up his mess.

[On the Road]

7. Science Can Deal with Ex-Nihilo Creation

The big band was a one-time event that happenned suddenly and is poorly understood. That does not prevent science from assigning a date to the big bang, modeling it, observing its implications, and intergrating it into the rest of physics and astronomy.

Despite some feeble attempts, nothing comparable has been done with creationist biology or geology. Nothing.