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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:21 AM
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Poll question: Were you aware that John Danforth accused Republicans of pandering
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 12:34 AM by BurtWorm
to the religious right in an editorial in today's New York Times? If you read the editorial, did you think you might be witnessing another "Have you at last no sense of decency?" moment? Is the tide about to turn?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/30/opinion/30danforth.html?adxnnl=1&oref=login&adxnnlx=1112245621-Re3Icf1HVncUjm3NpmHLFg&pagewanted=print&position=


One of many money quotes:

As a senator, I worried every day about the size of the federal deficit. I did not spend a single minute worrying about the effect of gays on the institution of marriage. Today it seems to be the other way around.



John C. Danforth, a former United States senator from Missouri, resigned in January as United States ambassador to the United Nations. He is an Episcopal minister.


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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:26 AM
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1. we're not the only ones who dislike being hijacked by charlatans!
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:34 AM
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2. Until John Danforth removes Clarence Thomas
from the Supreme Court, where he put him, I don't give a crap about what he says.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:36 AM
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3. Bully for you!
But you're not the person who needs to hear what he has to say.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:12 AM
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5. OK, I read the article.
However, 'those people' don't give a crap about what Danforth says either. They're on a roll and they're not going to listen to reason and they're not going to stop.

This article was featured in a segment on C-Span this morning along with another one about the structural problems of the Democratic Party.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:17 AM
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6. I think there may be a fall in the works.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 01:29 AM by BurtWorm
When conservative Republicans start saying the party has gone too far, maybe the party really has gone too far. ;)

PS: I take it you haven't heard back from your brother?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:45 AM
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4. That's it? Three people read this article?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:23 AM
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7. I read it today and sent ot off to my idiot brother in law
who loves tax cut but hates the war but voted for Bush anyway. He tends to read the more "normal" conservatives.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:27 AM
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8. Danforth is about as "normal" a conservative as they come
nowadays. He seems to have been stricken by conscience.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:29 AM
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9. hopefully it spreads but i'll be watching this fissure
hopefully turn into the grand canyon between the 3 wings of their fucked up little circle jerk.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:33 AM
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10. Doesn't it seem like something must break
sooner or later. They can't keep stretching things to the breaking point without something breaking sometime. Can they?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:37 AM
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11. you know i keep feeling that maybe we have reached the tipping point
everyday day there is some new bit of assholery thats being reported on and this Shiavo thing was a really bad move on their part on a nationial level so i'm keeping hope alive that maybe, just maybe our fellow Merikans and not just us here will start demanding accountablility.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:56 AM
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12. Sidney Blumenthal agrees that something is rotten at Republican central
besides the morals and scruples (which goes without saying).

http://salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/03/31/bush_and_right/print.html

March 31, 2005 | The Bush administration doesn't have a faith-based initiative; it is a faith-based initiative. When President Bush rushed back to the White House from his Crawford, Texas, ranch to show his urgency to sign the congressional bill intervening in the Terri Schiavo case, a bill like many others he could have signed wherever he was located, he demonstrated his faith in the infallibility of his political strategy. Just months earlier in the 2004 presidential election he had proven its efficacy. By joining the flag to the cross, Bush's campaign linked the war on terrorism to the culture war. Under these banners Bush marched as the crusader king against barbarian hordes without and within.

In unprecedented numbers evangelical Protestants and conservative "faithful" Catholics flocked to the polls to vote for him. Ballot initiatives in 11 swing states against gay marriage helped magnetize these constituencies. By a simple symbolic gesture in the Schiavo case he would become the transcendent holy warrior again, suddenly lifted by "values" from the slough of despond he had found himself in over his Social Security privatization scheme. It never dawned on him or his Cardinal Richelieu (Karl Rove) that the polls, like the heavens, would come crashing in on him....

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:19 AM
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13. This appeared in "yesterday's" Times: 3/30/05
:kick:
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