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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:48 PM
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Borders of the Gulag
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 11:53 PM by teryang
I have had an insiders view into the police state in the last year or so working in the criminal courts. I always tried to keep my professional distance from the players. I viewed my experiences from the perspective of detachedly observing a cross section of what must have been going on in the courts for decades if not longer.

Then a funny thing happened. Somebody called the police on me. They claimed my dogs were barking continuously and were a neighborhood nuisance. The report was false and a mistake. However, I found out what it was like to be treated like a criminal by a small town cop, currently unqualified for higher career aspirations.

The purpose of his inquiry was not so much as to shut up the neighborhood dogs as to gain access to a middle class home. When I refused to open the door to this maniac pounding on my door at 1030 pm waking up everyone in my home, he went ballistic. I thought he was going to break the door down. To my surprise, to avoid a greater confrontation and against my professional judgement concerning my rights I opened the door.

It was then I realized that this shit cop didn't give a god dam about the local nuisance. His conversation with me was rude, totally incoherent and meaningless. What he wanted was to smell the air from my home for burnt cannibis and look inside through the doorway for "paraphernalia" in plain view. To his chagrin, he had nothing to work with, and quickly lost interest.

In fact, this is what is done to tens of thousands of Americans at their places of residence, every single day. It usually happens at cheap motels, run down apartments, and poor neighborhoods. At these locations the police just walk right in and lie in their reports saying they were invited in and given consent to search. As I recognize the addresses and neighborhoods of my arrested and jailed clients every day, I no longer see a cross section of the criminal justice system at work. What I perceive is entire neighborhoods and towns transitioned to open air gulags, where everyone's home and person are subject to search upon one flimsy pretext or lie or another on a daily basis. To my chagrin, my middle of the road ungated working class neighborhood has slipped within the borders of this invisible gulag.

The realm of arbitrary and unchecked police action is not limited to my own subjective perception. As I meet and gain the personal confidence of other legal professionals working in criminal law, I realize that virtually all of them have experiences in which they personally observed or experienced arbitrary police actions with no justification in law or fact, that went unchallenged out of plain simple FEAR of the reality of unchecked police power. Most judges don't or won't sit through suppression hearings or trials if they can discourage it with every means at their disposal. Through dismal funding of the courts and greater "efficiency" it is becoming prohibitively expensive to challenge the system.

The emerging police state was the subject of the keynote speech by a top lawyer in the state at a recent professional seminar when he described in detail the brutal arrest and beating of an assistant public defender in front of his workplace, the courthouse, and took place FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER and went unsanctioned, unpunished and also, unmentioned, in the press. He linked this episode and many others of which he had personal knowledge to the absurd reaction of the American people to 911, which was to conclude that giving up their hard earned liberty would somehow save them from loss of security. In fact, the exact opposite is true. It is as if the arbitrary round up and imprisonment of thousands of persons of Islamic heritage would somehow not have any effect on our own rights. Or that the tolerance of the violations of human rights in Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraid doesn't make us the less as human beings.

Welcome to the Gulag.

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:59 PM
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1. Kicking it! n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:01 AM
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2. i have been argueing this for quite a while.....what is the saying
first it is the poor black, then the poor then the middle class

maybe that isnt the saying, seemed like. heard a black man say it. was excellent and true. that is where we are

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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:03 AM
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3. Ben said it well.....
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:05 AM
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4. 'First they came for the communists and I did'nt speak up....
"First they came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, but by that time, no one was left to speak up.

--Pastor Martin Niemoeller, Nazi Germany

http://rwor.org/a/v23/1130-39/1138/february%2020th%20call.htm"

Dante reserves the hottest place in hell for traitors..

That is about the entire bush crime family syndicate,many evangelistas and the neo-cons...

I sincerely believe that we are witnessing the largest and worst collection of evil minds [mostly men} and on a worldwide level, in history..To use nuclear threats is one thing but the busheviks and their neo-conthradals may actually do it!
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Nevilledog Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:13 AM
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5. Great observations
I have been a criminal defense attorney for 15 years. The last 12 of those in a small town. I could spend hours talking about the abuses of the system I've seen. I swear that there is a plan to have everyone under the age of 25 be a convicted felon.

Nobody cares about the system until it affects them... and then it's usually too late.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:18 AM
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6. More power to you my friend
It's a very tough road.

I appreciate the perspective of all the posters here.
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Nevilledog Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:28 AM
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8. Thanks.....
It's a soul sucking job...after all, how many people come into a lawyer's office to tell them about how great their lives are...lol

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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:06 AM
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15. a dot question
". . . there is a plan to have everyone under the age of 25 be a convicted felon."

Could these felons be a potential pool for the upcoming conscription?
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Nevilledog Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:33 AM
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23. Not as things stand today....but who knows?
My understanding is that the military does not accept convicted felons. I've also been told by a recruiter that they would not accept individuals with misdemeanor criminal convictions either, however, that was a few years ago.

Guess the Government can always change those restrictions. I know I'd do everything in my power to change a client's mind about choosing the military over incarceration.

Interesting aside though. A very good friend and sometime private investigator I use in my work had the option during the Viet Nam war to join the military or be locked up. He chose the military and ended up being nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor. He credits the military with giving him the opportunity to change the direction of his life. He has never given up being a hell raiser though and it's an ongoing struggle to convince him to wear long sleeve shirts to hide his tattoos when he's testifying and to NOT ride his Harley to court. We live in a conservative town.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:21 AM
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21. Injustice
The color of justice is green.
Welcome here, Nevilledog! (I could spend WEEKS talking about injustice and abuses of the system).
What most people don't realize is that our corrupt system affects everyone already, and we FUND the injustice and corruption with our tax-dollars.
The original message here is also sad, but typical.
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Nevilledog Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:38 AM
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24. Ain't that the truth
Nobody wants to hear about the system. They wouldn't understand even if they did listen because they think the justice system is what they see portrayed on TV. I can't watch any TV dealing with this topic. It scares my husband and dogs when I yell at the TV. Thought I was gonna hyperventilate one night watching COPS...lol.

P.S. Thanks for the welcome!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:24 AM
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7. !
:grr:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:33 AM
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9. Kick & Rec thanks teryang
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:43 AM
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10. Bookmarked. Recommended. Thank you. (nt)
www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:52 AM
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11. SCHOOLS have been looking more and more like prisons for years
Although this is primarily in the inner city, it isn't only so.

Everyone is now used to being under constant surveillance.

Welcome to the Gulag, indeed!
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:28 AM
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22. 20 to 1
Some states are building 20 times more prisons, than schools.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 06:31 AM
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12. Its no accident
that the US has the highest rate of incarceration in the industrial world.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 06:52 AM
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13. If you no *longer* see a cross section
you must list in a very, uh, ethnically homogenous place.

I remember when my girlfriend got mugged in New Orleans. The police responding quickly, and in spite of a good description, rounded up very black guy on the street whether he matched the description of not.

Fortunately, it was very late at night, given teh neighborhood we were in, or they would have had to use buses to bring them in.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 06:54 AM
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14. The newspaper, Atlanta Journal Constitution, had an article yesterday
gushing with joy about how wonderful it is the police now have cattle prods (TASERS) to protect themselves from the criminals, you know, unruly children, drunks all those vicious people.

I think of cops as Barney Fife, except unlike Barney, these guys have bullets in their sidearms.

There are very good reasons for the protections in the Bill of Rights. As far as I am concerned there are no good reasons to set aside those protections. Not a drug war or a war on drunks or a war on terrorism or any reason whatsoever should give any agents of the 'king' more power over the citizens. All these 'wars' are actually wars against the 'people'.

But I imagine, even here we will hear a chorus of law enforcement personnel objecting and saying, "but we are here to protect and serve. You shouldn't be concerned because we are 'good' people and have your best interests in heart, always."
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:11 AM
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16. "besides, if you haven't done anything wrong.....
you have nothing to worry about. Why would you object?"......(said suspiciously)"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 07:22 AM
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17. Bravo.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 07:23 AM by sfexpat2000
Years before 9/11, I lived in the portion of the gulag reserved for families living with mental illness at home. Because we have no health care system, we had police contact. Because the police had no training but much liability, there were court cases instead of medical treatment.

Once, my husband was psychotic and paranoid, called 911 and said I was assaulting him. (I was crying quietly as possible while casting around for a way to calm him down.) (Try calming down 300 lbs of frightened human bean just once. You'd cry, too. lol)

So, the police ride into the to rescue, look at him, look at me and figure, I'd FIT in the squad car. That's all I can think. There was no sign of any violence or even disruption because in the physical universe, there had been none.

Cuffed me, took me to the Hall of Justice and booked me for assault. I was put into a room for a psych evaluation.

(How worried could they have been? The psychologist walked in and had I been in some way violent, he would have been very vulnerable.)

So, we talked for about 6 minutes and he tried to get me released. (And, while he immediately recognized what had happened, his advice to me was to leave my husband. Fancy that. Another story.) But he couldn't get me released because, in officialese, this was such a serious matter that the D.A.'s office had to - I don't know what. In reality, the P.D. didn't want me to sue their @sses.

It was just unbelievable. I've never even gotten a speeding ticket. And, I'd been trying to manage the illness at home best as I could for days already. In a way, being in jail was a mini vacation -- if you subtract the trauma.

My point in relating this is: these expedient means, to deal with what frightens us as a culture (if this is the right category) are not new. They are not part of the faux "post 9/11 world". They are how we've handled these situations for quite some time.

One very serious consequence of this charade is the corruption of our police force. Power and secrecy breed corruption. No matter how fine our guys, no matter their ideals and values, you cannot function in that environment without taking on the taint. Or, without being leaned on by the corrupt edifice to carry out directives that in any other context you'd recoil from.

And while I'm very sorry you were put through this dehumanizing practicum, I hope that one result will be that more of us will become aware of how fragile our basic civil rights are. And how much we need to work together to protect them.

peace,
Beth

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 08:19 AM
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18. Outstanding post, teryang! Thank you.
The NAZIs did not lose World War II. Thanks to Dulles and Harriman and Bush they made their way to America. By uniting with the nation's most powerful elites, these gangsters have set the stage for a world police state.

Why else would so many of America's crown jewels -- her cities and urban areas -- be left to rot with poverty, bad schools and crime? These areas are, for all intents and purposes, open-air prisons. People born there are likely to live their entire, short, lives there.

Same goes for the nation's industries: The heck with the workers has been the motto since Nixon and Jimmy Hoffa worked things out. Same goes for public education: Keep 'em dumb and that way they won't know what's happening to them. This is not deeply cynical or conspiratorial -- it's just how things work out when the leadership thinks a certain way.

Those who remember World War II were afraid of what might be. The NAZIs wanted to kill all who opposed them, take over the world, loot its treasures and enslave mankind.

This new clan -- empowered with unimaginable wealth from the drug trade and legitimate monopolies, too -- won't be satisfied with government power. I imagine they are working to eliminate 50 to 75 percent of mankind. That's the only way the planet can sustain the "right" folks.

PS: I really appreciate your post, teryang. DU's great. So are your post and perspectives!
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:26 PM
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19. Would any of the LE officers who frequent DU like to discuss this?
I'm interested in hearing the LE take on your concerns.

RTP
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:51 PM
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20. DU LE - any reactions?
I know we have cops around here; anyone have a response?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:11 PM
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25. Sorry but what does "LE" stand for?
I don't watch TV and sometimes miss these abbreviations that are common knowledge to everyone else. Thanks.
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Nevilledog Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:15 PM
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27. LE = Law Enforcement n/t
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:24 PM
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28. Sorry - Law Enforcement
I don't watch much commercial tv either. If it ain't on the History Channel, it ain't worth watching!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:21 PM
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29. Thanks. Probably should have been able to figure that one out :\
Oh well.

My sarcastic self says, "What? There's someone enforcing the LAW in this country??" YMBK
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:13 PM
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26. current gulag at the border
Does anyone else wonder how this "posse" of
armed men who intend to protect our borders
can get away with this? Ahhhh, do we have
laws anymore?

gagging on the gulag.
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