WOW. Lou Dobbs is pouncing upon propaganda this evening!!

[Just Me]

*LOL*. He had some guy on, who apparently is popular at and a fan of Faux News, and pinned the guy to the wall. It was awesome!!! :bounce:

Moreover, Lou is repeatedly pointing out that the immigration policies are based upon big corporate exploitation!!!

:bounce:

It is SO SATISFYING to witness, just once, a progressive and fact-based show on CM!!!

:bounce:

[napi21]

1. Yes he did, and didn't let that guy get away with anything!

I know Lou is supposed to be a Pub, but I watch him EVERY NIGHT, and I find that I agree with him almost ALL the time!

He really does want the best for America, and doesn't seem to care what side his guest is on. If he thinks he's wrong, he tells them!

Keep it up LOU!

[Just Me]

3. *LOL* I didn't know he was presumed a "Pub" *LOL*!!!

He SPANKED "Faux". I consumed it, gratefully!

[napi21]

5. Before Shrub got elected, his show was mostly about the market

and different financial impacts on it and the country. I think most people presumed him to be a Pub because he always admitted to being a Capitalist.

[Just Me]

9. Fascinating. Ya' think, perhaps, that, there are inconsistent perceptions

of how "capitalism" is supposed to work?

I mean, are there those who view "capitalism" as predatory "rule of the jungle" (e.g. NO RULES) and others who view "capitalism" as a structure requiring rules to work?

Hmmmm.

[napi21]

14. OH, I think you're right.

The problem, as I see it, is that the current admin. views Capitalism as ruling supreme, and guys like Lou view it as a structure that needs to be somewhat controlled to keep greed under control.

[Just Me]

19. So, "freedom" must be protected, whether human or capital,...

,...and the only way to PROTECT the "freedom" to engage, to participate,...to have a "choice" in participation,...is by creating rules consistently applied and enforced by ALL participants.

Yes? :bounce:

We cannot have any form of "freedom" without everyone being forced to play by the same rules.

AND,...what is this administration and its ILK doing,...attacking that body which enforces "the rules".

Go figure!!! They are a buncha' freakin' dictators!!!!

[napi21]

24. YES! Same rules, level playing field...same thing.

And ShrubCo is trying to rule as a dictator, but I suspect he's reached too far recently, and what he thought was his STRONG support is backing off.

Wonder if he's calling Karl begging for help?

[Just Me]

26. Yep. I've been enjoying the blowback,...BIG TIME!!!

But, whaddya' mean by your post?

",...but I suspect he's reached too far recently, and what he thought was his STRONG support is backing off.
Wonder if he's calling Karl begging for help?

What are you talking about,...there?

[napi21]

27. Shrub thought because he was reelected the majority of Am. told

him they agreed with him, and he can do what he wants.

He decided to gut SS as his prine issue. I don't think he realized how many people from all levels of income don't want anyone messing with that program!

Then he decides the Schiavo case will not only help him, but good bro to. He calls his buds in the Senate and the House ans says let's go for it! Oops! None of them realized that most Americans don't want the Feds messing in their private lives!

I use the phrase over-reaching because that's exactly what I think the Pubs have done, and I suspect they're all asking the guy they believe is the miracle worker with politics (Karl) to get 'em out of this mess.

Ya know, I rarely listen to Boortz who is very popular here in Ga, but I remember, one day when I was a caaptive audience in my car, he said "You just watch folks. The Republicans will over-reach, like they always do, because they think when they control everything they can just do that. It will bring them down, just like it always does."

I never agree with Boortz, but I did that time, and I think we're seeing that happen now.

[Just Me]

28. Yep. But, Karl ain't all that,...is he!

Thank you for clarifying!!!!

:bounce:

[napi21]

29. Thanks. Had a good dialog. n/t

[Carni]

33. self delete duplicate NT

[Carni]

34. I think Lou is a pub but he's at least a common sense one

I have watched his show for about 3 years and I give the guy credit...I may not agree with everything he promotes but he has integrity and calls it like he sees it.

[xultar]

6. Dobbs is a Pug but he ain't stoopid. n/t

[MADem]

12. He is a fiscal conservative, a devout Roman Catholic, and...

...a member in good standing of Opus Dei (shudder). He left CNN awhile back because of snarky remarks about his religion. There were apologies made, it is likely some cash changed hands, and he came back. His wife carries a pistol, and she carried one into National Airport not too long after 911 and was arrested--caused a minor scandal (she 'forgot' to leave it at home). He seems to adore Kitty Pilgrim.

Yes, he is a Pub, but he is a CLASSIC Pub, not a NEW Pub, or a DIET Pub, or even a Pub Lite. He is old school GOP. I found those guys a bit fearful (afraid of change, preferring tradition, slow to move, slow to help the needy) but not deliberately, joyously mean, like the current crowd. He's one of those oldtimers, not one of these insane neocrazies that hijacked their party.

[Just Me]

21. Well, *LOL*, I'll take a "principled Pub" over neoCONbuttholes,...

,...any day of the week!!!

At least, he's an "oldtimer" who still gives a damn about his people and his country rather than a war-profitteering, manipulative and arrogant RULER.

I will embrace him.

[Melynn]

32. More of a country club type of Republican?

Is that what you are trying to say? If so, that would make sense.

When the old style Repugs wake up and discover what is going on with with the neo-cons and the fundies in the Republican party they are probably scared witless.

[Carni]

35. I agree with you- I didn't largely agree with the old pubs

But they weren't theocratic morons for the most part and they at least made an attempt not to cut the countries balls off.

[Sterling]

7. I agree with him more than most Dems in the Senate.

nt

[indepat]

8. I'll never watch a minute of Lou again

[caligirl]

2. we enjoyed the show, saw the pouncemaster at work on that guy

Was wondering if he was ever going to shut up, bring out the hook lou!:spank:

[LdyGuique]

4. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Dobbs

I usually catch the Midnight rerun -- which is 4am to y'all in the eastern timezone.

But, when I can't or want to followup on a quote -- I go to his transcripts.

[AlCzervik]

10. how many minutes into the show did it start?

i'll try and catch the second showing.

[napi21]

15. David started off good by hammering Rummy and no one wants

to work for the Pentagon. Watch the whole show if you get the chance.

[leftchick]

11. sadly that seems to be the only issue Lou agrees with us on....

that and the US debt of course, He is still a RW shill that has an occasionally cognizant moment per show.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. Lou's an old style conservative, very anti Neocon

He's anti debt, anti outsourcing, anti illegal immigration, and I think he's pretty much against the Bush war policy as well. Although if you get into it he'd probably be pretty right wing on some issues, the guy is still good because he has no loyalty to the masters. He holds the Bush administration's feet to the fire and has no shame about it, either.

I think that overall he's one of the good guys.

[EVDebs]

16. Right on, hippo_tron ! Lou is for the Middle Class and common sense

If Dems had stayed with his positions instead of trying to pander a la Bush right now we'd have fired up the 40% who didn't bother to vote in the last election. Instead we ended up with a stolen election again (it will come out about Ohio soon) and an administration that thinks it can do no wrong.

The scandal behind the H1B visas is only being covered by Lou...no one else !

[Hippo_Tron]

22. Democrats really should abandon the wide open free trade platform

It's not that trade is a completely bad thing, but the way that NAFTA, WTO, etc. have been enacted and enforced has been horrible for American workers and horrible for human rights.

And Democrats also need to take a stronger stance on immigration.
I'm not against immigration, it's just that I think it should be done legally. We need to secure our borders and then we can incrase the number of people that we allow into the country LEGALLY. That way they will have the same rights as everybody else and we don't be debating bullshit questions like: should we be giving immigrants drivers licenses?

These are the kinds of issues that the GOP is horrible on and that we need to emphasize more. We need to stop letting them frame the debate. We need to have strong stances on populist economic issues so that when the GOP starts running their mouth off about "family values", they look like the ones out of touch because they have no solutions for healthcare, jobs, and education.

[LoganW]

25. No he's not

he plays the "good cop" at CNN. He's just as a neocon as the rest of them, but his job is to lure non-neocons in.

[Maru Kitteh]

31. Um, O.K.

So he's done a show every night for God knows how long on how the Bush administration is selling the country out, spending like drunken sailors and deliberately importing illegal status workers while exporting our jobs but.................... let me put my hat on ............:tinfoilhat: ............................he's a Bush loving neocon.


mmmmmmmmmkay.

[Carni]

37. He is NOT a neo-con

I differ with the man on some things but he is not a neo-con.

[EVDebs]

39. Bull---- ! The title of his book should make you at least think twice

Exporting America: Why Corporate Greed Is Shipping American Jobs Overseas

Globalization apologists, like Fareed Zakaria, Thomas Friedman, George Bush, and sadly Bill Clinton, Robert Reich and company...
have all contributed to the destruction of the American middle class and the huge job losses that corporate multinationals feed upon !

This globalization fantasy is behind the Disneyeque 'it's a small world after all' Bush outsourcing/free-market crap that is used to justify the demise of this once-great economy. Kevin Phillips' Wealth and Democracy spells it out: the concentration of wealth brought about by globalizers will destroy America.

Lou Dobbs is a capitalist but he knows what is wrong with the system and isn't afraid to speak up about it like the rest of the neocon crowd surrounding Bush !

[napi21]

17. Sorry. I don't view Lou as a shill for anybody.

You may not agree with him on every issue, but he has his own positions, states them clearly, and isn't afraid to argue them with anyone on any side of the political fence!

[Carni]

36. I really don't see him as a shill

I have never heard him blather on about morals issues.

I can handle a difference of opinion but I cannot contend with all this morals religion crap spouted by the neocons.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Lou's what a Republican *used* to be back when they were an honest

opposition to the Dems. I don't agree with a lot of what he stood for but these days I find myself in agreement with a lot of his latest rap. One thing's for sure, though ... he's no wingnut ... just an honest conservative. I may not agree with him, but I respect him.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. He seems like an Eisenhower Republican

Eisenhower was pro-business but he and his colleagues as well as the corporate leaders of the time saw new deal type social programs as actually good for them because they provided the economy with a sense of stability.

[EVDebs]

41. Lowell Weicker Republican....before they were all banished n/t

[Donailin]

20. I agree with Lou more often than not. In the very least, he's a reality -

based commentator and pulls no punches

[lies and propaganda]

23. Dobbs is the type of conservative I like...

Against big guv and big pols...... An actual conservative.

[Mr_Spock]

40. I hear ya - love his segments on the "oursourcing of America"

He did a great job with that.

[eaglenetsupport]

30. he's super strong on the exporting of jobs and

the Enron and other corporate busts. He wants jail time for more of them. When MSM was trying to ignore the lack of prosecutions he started a daily update with a bell and adding one digit per day since the enron collapse and another running total of number of execs sentenced.

He virtually single handedly kept outsourcing on the table with focus segments every day when no-one was talking about it at all.