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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:45 PM
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"WE still have her"
Bob Schindler on his daughter's condition yesterday---

"She still looks pretty darn good under the circumstances," Schindler said. "You can see the impact of no food and water for 12 days. Her bodily functions are still working. We still have her."

The phrase "We still have her" speaks volumes about what this whole sad affair is really about. Schindler and his wife are being unbelievably selfish in forcing their daughter to continue living in the state she is in. They are more concerned about taking care of their own feelings than of what is best for her. Disgusting.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:46 PM
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1. She's their little dress-up doll. A plaything.
Pretty inappropriate for a 41-year old woman.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:49 PM
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4. Very disrespectful to her too..
What woman would want millions of people looking at her at her very worst?

Everyone has their "bad times", but those are the times we only allow our closest friends and family to see us.. No woman wants to think of strangers gawking at them..

Especially when you think of WHY she's even in the condition she is, it only makes it more ironic..
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:17 PM
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22. I keep thinking that too
Most people have a little bit of vanity about them and would not want to be shown all over the place like that, I would think.

I think I will add to my living will that nobody should photograph or video me if I'm in a coma and cremate me instead of staring at me in a casket with bad make-up. Jeez, why can't the poor woman be allowed some privacy and dignity?
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:19 PM
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23. Can I copy your picture and use it on my site? I love it. (nt)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:21 PM
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24. Sure..
I did a "save as" from www.b3ta.com (where I found it )..:)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:36 PM
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29. A Dress-Up Doll. You're Right! -- Like A Pet... A Fish.
They are so obsessed with her that they can't let go. They have been in denial for all these years. Now they they must finally face her death.

I wonder if he's already inked a book deal or movie deal.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:37 PM
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30. I don't think you could play dress-up with a fish
Water is hell on new hairstyles.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:47 PM
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2. ok yesterday he said she look horrible so now all of a sudden she looks
good? I'm so confused.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:50 PM
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5. I'm not
They'll say anything depending on the audience. If they know it's a majority repuke audience they'll say how she's looking fine but if it's a show like CNN, MSNBC, etc. they'll say she's looking horrible. It's all about the emotional tug on the heart. Of course they don't have one.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:51 PM
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7. is someone..
.. feeding Terri surreptitiously?

Shouldn't she be gone by now?

Sue
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:56 PM
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10. It hasn't been too long
I lost count but it hasn't been too long. I think it depends on the person. When my great-uncle had his plug pulled it took him two days. Of course he had bad alzhimers (like Reagan) so that's probably why and he was up in his years. This woman is still pretty young (forty-one I believe?). From what I've been hearing it's supposed to take anywhere around two weeks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:00 PM
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14. She was physically healthy prior to stopping the fdgs-evidence of good
care over the past 15 years. And it not like she is out in the hot desert "dying of thrist'--she is a controlled enviroment of a hospise-(A/C and all I presume). But her body organs are shutting down regardless of what the parents say at this point.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:48 PM
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3. Wormtongue is still working Saruman's magic
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:53 PM
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8. Best. Summary. Ever. n/t
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:50 PM
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6. That was exactly my thought when I read that statement. n/t
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:54 PM
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9. What happened to
her bleeding mouth and eyes that was being reported a few days ago?

THis is just too weird.

Maybe the Schindler's can hire a good taxidermist and stuff her so they can keep her around forever. :sarcasm:

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:44 PM
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33. taxidermy
I was thinking the same thing but thought it would be tooooo gross to post.

It's kind of like Norman Bates and his mother in Psycho -- I halfway expect these people to have a Revell model made of Terri or an inflatable plastic doll or a wax mannikin or something.

Maybe that's why Michael wants her cremated -- so her parents can't dig her up and stuff her????


Tansy Gold, tacky and tasteless as usual
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:56 PM
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11. It's not just what's best for her
Yes, they are unbelievably selfish. Their only interest is clinging to a delusion. Hope springs eternal, I guess. But their abject disregard for her wishes as an ADULT is what's so astounding to me. That's not love.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:32 PM
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26. I agree
They're treating this situation and her like she's a five year old. She's forty-one!!! Good grief.
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Newkophile Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:56 PM
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12. What else would you like with your side dish? n/t
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:00 PM
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13. She is his meal ticket .... without her, his 15 minutes of fame are up.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:03 PM
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15. I see why she had an eating disorder
I would too if these people were my parents. :-(


Mom and Dad, I love you and loved the fact that you let me have a life and an identity of my own. :loveya:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:08 PM
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16. Leave her parents alone
Let anyone who's had a child on his or her death bed cast the first stone.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:12 PM
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17. Her parents are actually making money off her
They're selling the list of donors to their cause. I have lost all sympathy for them.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:33 PM
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27. I lost sympathy for a long time ago
When I found out they'd deny her wishes even if she had a will. Selfish selfish selfish.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:07 PM
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36. Is that so?
Maybe they love her and they can't let her go. Is that so hard to understand?

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:46 PM
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43. So tell me this
Why did they bring other people into a PRIVATE PERSONAL AFFAIR? They could've easily told people to "butt out" and go home but no. And now they're selling VIDEO'S OF HER! For a $100 a tape! And they sold their list of people to rightwing groups. No. I don't feel for them one bit.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:16 PM
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40. Just the Court fees
for filing the appeals and paying for the transcripts costs thousands of dollars. I'm not so sure the money is going in their pockets.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:13 PM
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18. I read today that
her parents are selling the video tapes we keep seeing on the news to people for $100 a pop, to raise money for the "fight" That is exploiting their child IMHO.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:13 PM
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19. Been there, done that
and my parents still raised a decent, independent caring adult.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:14 PM
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20. Sorry, but they asked for it
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 01:14 PM by Walt Starr
THEY are the ones who thrust this into the public light.

THEY are the ones making spurious accusations against their son-in-law.

THEY are the ones who invited a three ring circus to the hospice.

THEY are the ones who repeatedly lied time after time.

THEY deserve every stone cast at them!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:03 PM
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35. That proves they will go to any lengths
to keep their daughter alive. So fucking what?

I agree this is a family matter.

I agree that the Courts are right.

I despise Tom DeLay, Randall Terry and all the others who use these poor people for their own greater glory.

Congress, the Governor and the President should stay out of it.

If I were in their position I would hope I could let my daughter go. But if I were in their position, I'm not so sure I wouldn't do everything I could to keep her breathing.

And unless you've faced that - you don't honestly know either.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:13 PM
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39. It proves they are fucked up morons who deserve the shit slung at them
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 02:14 PM by Walt Starr
and I'll kleep slinging it at them. They deserve only scorn!

You are not the boss of me and I will point out when sommebody is a son of a bitch when they are being a son of a bitch.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:25 PM
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41. Buddy, I have no interest in being your boss
Say whatever you want.

But just remember what goes around comes around.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:45 PM
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42. You betcha
Just look at what's coming around to those assholes the Schwindlers!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:47 PM
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44. Why don't they listen to the doctors?
Doctors over the years have said time and time again she's gone and will not be returning. You can not regrow a brain. Let her die in some peace and go on with your life!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:23 PM
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48. Maybe so
But how much do neurologists really know? Frankly, not a hell of a lot. They know drugs and surgery.

Sitting here I think you're right - they should let her go. But if she were my child I don't know that I'd be so "rational." So I'm careful to give them wide berth.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:44 PM
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49. The schindlers need serious therapy, IMHO
They have admitted in the past that Terri is beyond help. They have also admitted that they would do anything -- including amputating her limbs and performing heroic surgery -- to keep her body alive. They have even admitted that if she had a written, witnessed, official DNR order, they would fight to have it overturned -- just so they could have her with them.


They went beyond "loving" their daughter a long time ago.

I had to have my dog euthanized several months ago, and this is something I do not like to talk about, so I'll keep it brief. As my husband and I discussed the option, we went over the notion that we had to do what was best for this beloved pet, NOT WHAT WOULD MAKE US HAPPIER AT HIS EXPENSE.

There is no longer any concern for Terri in what the Schindlers are doing -- there is only pathological selfishness.


Many other people are faced with decisions like this every single day. Most of them manage to be rational in their grief. Many donate organs so that others might live and have a better quality of life.

I feel sorry that the Schindlers, perhaps under the influence of these rabid fundies, have turned away from their love for their daughter and toward the most unchristian, unloving, uncharitable selfishness that we've seen them embrace over the past few months.

They therapy and pity, but they do not need encouragement.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:15 PM
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21. Absolutely agree.
The hatred and irrationality on both sides disgusts me.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:35 PM
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28. The parents are disgusting
The parents are who are disgusting. If they cared at all they would tell people to butt the hell out and go home. They don't care and it's obvious. They're selling private video's of their daughter for a $100!!!! That's disgusting! They have protestor's who are distubring the peace and are telling outright lies on Mr. Schavio. These parents needs to grow up and go home!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:11 PM
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37. It's true
The criticisms of Michael Schiavo are just as revolting.

"Why did he wait seven years before trying to fulfill her wish to die?"

Maybe he thought she could get better? And then after many years it became hopeless? Ya think?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:12 PM
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38. Yep
The first eight years were to try to help her get better and then he knew it was hopeless. When did the parents butt in?
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:55 PM
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47. when he wouldn't give them money
they turned against him when he refused to share the money won in the malpractice suit.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:23 PM
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25. They have spoken on other threads and find this spectacle
appalling.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:44 PM
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32. The minute they brought Tom DeLay and Randall Terrorist into this....
They cast a dump truck full of rocks on themselves.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:55 PM
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34. They also brought in Jesse Jackson
So are you saying some of those rocks were black?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:50 PM
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45. Jackson should butt the hell out
and go home. All these people should. It's none of their freakin business and the Schindlers are going on all these rightwing shows and telling outright lies. One minute they say she's fine and the next minute they say she's bleeding to death etc. Fucked up and they need to get the circus out of town.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:40 PM
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31. Every day she's alive they can sell more videos
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:53 PM
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46. who's selling videos?
I do believe you are perpetuating a rumor. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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