Schiavo attorney felt God speaking to him

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

Book by Schiavo attorney- felt God speaking to him

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos wrote a book called:
"Litigation as Spiritual Practice" (Blue Dolphin Publishing, 2002

Felos wrote about his ex-wife, "To her, I seemed unattractive,
sexually unexciting, balding, boring, and just not enough fun to be
with....she didn't need me anymore. For her, marriage to me
inflicted a fate worse than death. She admitted that for the past
year or so she had wished for my death, and whenever I flew hoped
the plane would crash." (pg 7)

About his anger towards his ex-wife, "I was on fire, fueled by
thoughts of bludgeoning and tearing her apart." (pg 23)


Felos felt that God told him, "You are more powerful than you
realize." (pg 182)

http://swdesertrat.blogspot.com/2005/03/george-felos-making-terri-
schiavo-pay.html

[ima_sinnic]

1. and your point with these out-of-context quotes is... ? (nt)

[arwalden]

37. LOL... Isn't It Obvious?

:hi: Hi, Ima!

[ima_sinnic]

39. hi arwalden!

... been enjoyin' your posts for quite a while now, pleased to finally say howdy!

:yourock:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

2. M Schiavo and girlfriend drive Mercedes while wife on Medicare

M Schiavo and girlfriend drive Mercedes while Terri on Medicare

While M Schiavo is not responsible for Terri's expenses, and gets to spend money specified for her rehab, he still gets to decide if she lives or dies.

Could this be a big case of Medicare Fraud?

Although the recipient of over $1.5 million from medical malpractice
claims including $750,000 earmarked for the rehabilitation of his
wife, Michael Schiavo asked Greer to place Terri on Medicaid and Greer approved. Schiavo and his fiancé each drive Mercedes sedans and reside
in an above average home with their two
children.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/030105091_schiavo_judge_
greer_su.htmhttp://www.theempirejournal.com/03080521_schiavo_hospice_board_m.htm

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0313055_schiavogate_the_big_cove.htm

[ima_sinnic]

5. again, your point is?

I see your "handicapped" icon and get the feeling you are one of those woefully misinformed people who think that Terri is "merely disabled."

A breathing husk is not "disabled," it is UNabled. It is about as "disabled" as my dead mother.

[ret5hd]

11. WillYourPrayerBeHeard...

not while posting THAT tripe!

[Lerkfish]

16. interesting source for your to quote...note their mission statement:

http://www.theempirejournal.com/dear_tej_readers.htm

Thank you for all your calls giving us praise. While certainly appreciate your generous accolades, the main focus is and has always been to help Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

(snip)
Why mainstream media won't investigate and report like TEJ is an excellent question!
We are not able to contact government officials on your behalf, and strongly urge you to contact them and The Department of Justice.

(snip)
Do your part at being an American:
STAY INFORMED, DON'T BE SILENT, VOTE ACCORDINGLY
 


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I think I smell something...is it...is it....I'll have mine with anchovies.

[ima_sinnic]

24. oh, so now it's Terri "Schindler-Schiavo"!

... when did she ask for her name to be changed?
was that around the time she was "making funny faces" at her father?
why doesn't she just reach over and reconnect her own feeding tube?

[ohio_liberal]

36. Links are broken

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

41. Schiavo atty reveals ability to kill with a thought

In his book, "Litigation as Spiritual Practice",
George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo, related an incident in his book his ability to "kill with a thought":

"About a half-hour into the journey the thought crossed my mind, I wonder what it would be like to die right now? The thought particularly intrigued me since I felt so "conscious" at the moment. I indulged the thought by imagining the plane starting to lose its trajectory and descend. As the nose of the aircraft headed down, I distinctly felt concern arise and swiftly shift to panic among the passengers. My visualization was particularly vivid. As we went into a free fall, I heard screaming everywhere and saw objects frenziedly flying and smashing all around the cabin."

"As the plane plunged, gravity pressed against my body, and I felt death grasp us. Only a few moments remained before the earth would break our fall. I turned from the chaos around me, calmly looked inside, and asked, 'What is this death?'"

Felos then went on to relate the passengers' fear as the plane continued its downward descent:

"We felt a pulse of downward acceleration, which transformed our fear to near panic. At that moment, when the rumblings of incipient screams began to be heard, the nose started to lift and the craft quickly resumed its even path."

It was then that George Felos promised himself, "No more visualizations for me on this trip."

About twenty minutes after this incident, George heard the voice of "God" speak to him in a slightly stern voice:

"Be careful what you think. You are more powerful than you realize." (Quotes source: Litigation as Spiritual Practice, pages 181-182)

[bush_whacked]

45. Drivel like this turns my stomach.

So nice that people can twist words and context. Is there a point to your posts or are you just another cow following the Republican herd?

M. drives a Mercedes, M.s girl drives a Mercedes. What does it matter? Who is making real money off Terri? Uh, lets see, that would be HER PARENTS.

They are the ones that sold a mailing list of generous donors. They are the ones drawing more and more people to the hospice. The same hospice where other people are trying to visit their sick family members. The same hospice with a school that had to CLOSE b/c of the whack jobs chanting and praying outside.

GEESH!

[carpe diem]

53. if they both have jobs and can afford a Mercedes...

why shouldn't they have one...I'm sure the money set aside in trust for Terri is being monitored, you can bet the Schindler's make sure of that...Medicaid is based on Terri's ability to pay, not Michael's...

[KharmaTrain]

69. Let's See Those Mercedes...

Of course we're ready to accept any piece of gossip without even questioning. Just like all the other lies about Mr. Schaivo, I'm sure this is a lie as well...more trolling to trash and bash a man's character while he's hold up in the center of this crisis with little means to defend himself or speak out.

Be assured that with the courts all over this case, every penny Michael Schaivo ever received in a settlement either went to Terri's care or has been held on escrow pending the final litigation of the case.

The lies about this man and about Terri's true condition still prevail...a sad commentary of a nation that supposedly is "educated".

[zanne]

3. Uh-Oh

Psycho alert! Psycho alert! It sounds like his wife got out just in time.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. Is this medicare fraud?

Condoned Medicare Fraud?

In addition, with the knowledge that Terri Schiavo is not terminal,
Greer has actually condoned and participated in a fraud of the federal and state governments, becoming partners with Michael Schiavo and others to allegedly engage in Medicare and Medicaid fraud by allowing the placement of Terri in a hospice without proper certification.

He has also repetitively allowed Michael Schiavo to violate the statutory filing requirements under guardianship laws regarding the physical and mental condition of his ward, Terri Schiavo. Although he claims that he has ruled on the subject previously, each year that Schiavo fails to file the requisite reports and accountings constitutes a new violation, grounds for his removal as guardian.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0313055_schiavogate_the_big_cove.htm

[ima_sinnic]

19. the amount of BS just in that extract is pitiful!

"not terminal"--no, a body with no mind can be maintained for a long time with nutrients and hydration. so can a detached cockroach leg, which will also respond to stimulation from applied electrical jolts. but what would be the point?

and AS IF Greer were the only judge ever to have ruled on this case!

did you know the Schindlers did successfully lobby to have Terri under their direct care? they "returned" her to that "illegal" hospice, pronto! perhaps some other DUer has the actual reference to this FACT.

the amount of handwringing crying over one woman whose brain withered and became nonfunctional 15 years ago is astounding. Did you know the death toll in Darfur is now somewhere around 300,000? But I guess those people don't matter, because they were SENTIENT, they COULD THINK, SPEAK, HEAR, SEE, FEEL, SMILE, LAUGH--they WANTED TO LIVE.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/03/30/darfur.deaths.reut/

[Name removed]

6. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jersey Devil]

10. Was there a mass breakout?

Did someone forget to lock the gates?

[Bridget Burke]

23. Somebody flushed....

Some really large ones are floating by. Hold your nose!

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jersey Devil]

27. Patience grasshopper

I am actually beginning to enjoy this string. The more he piles it on the stupider it makes him sound while hoisting himself by his own petard.

[Norquist Nemesis]

60. Certainly leaving tracks

with the little talking points snippets!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. Possible Guardianship law violation?

Schiavo case possible guardianship law violation?

It appears that Greer has a vested interest in the death of Terri
Schindler-Schiavo. Her death may make moot the warranted and overdue
investigations of Greer's own complicity in the case---alleged
violations of guardianship laws and well as the alleged cover-up of
criminal wrongdoing in the matter---an obstruction of justice---a
prosecutable offense for which culpability will only increase with
judicial homicide.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0313055_schiavogate_the_big_cove.htm

[0007]

22. Try a new lure, the old one isn't working!

[TomClash]

40. I am not qualified to write about the medical issues

but I am a certified legal guardian, a parent of a severely disabled child and a longtime practicing attorney in New York.

You can disagree with Greer's ruling but to accuse him of "obstruction of justice" and "complicity" in Ms. Schiavo's death is so absurd it robs you of any credibility or humanity you may have once had.

Greer is a Republican conservative Christian who has been shunned at his church - if anything he has a personal interest in directing that the tube be reinserted. His opinions have been logical and his findings carefully considered and determined. Numerous courts have reviewed this case and not one has found an error of law or fact. No case in the history of the US has gotten more due process or judicial review than this one.

You know so little about the law. Terri Schiavo's death would hardly "moot" a criminal investigation, particularly since her husband is seeking an autopsy. She's not exactly a witness, as she cannot communicate.

Besides, if yo are so sure of your accusations, why don't you go to the Pinellas County Police and present your evidence to them? Before you do that, though, you should keep in mind that filing a false claim is a felony.

[Jersey Devil]

8. No bites in LBN?

Try a new lure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1352255#1352907

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

9. Code Blue Blog r/e Schiavo CT Scan

First, I contest the theory that Terri's brain actively continues to
degenerate as implied by the above statement. How could they gage
serial brain degeneration without serial follow-up? And by what
mechanism would her brain CONTINUE to atrophy? Second, Terri's
cerebral cortex has not been replaced by fluid. That is inaccurate.
The cortex is thinned and the sulci are enlarged. There is a
difference.Third, and most importantly, given the amount of atrophy on this image I disagree with the court's inadequately considered conclusion. My Grandmother's Brain -- OK -- But Would I Stop Feeding My Grandmother? First of all, the University of Miami's appellation for this scan is inaccurate. "Cortical regions" are not and can not be filled with spinal fluid. The sulci (spaces between cortical ribbons) are enlarged secondary to cortical atrophy and these sulci are filled with cerbrospinal fluid.

The most alarming thing about this image, however, is that there
certainly is cortex left. Granted, it is severely thinned,
especially for Terri's age, but I would be nonplussed if you told me
that this was a 75 year old female who was somewhat senile but fully
functional, and I defy a radiologist anywhere to contest that.

I HAVE SEEN MANY WALKING, TALKING, FAIRLY COHERENT PEOPLE WITH WORSE
CEREBRAL/CORTICAL ATROPHY. THEREFORE, THIS IS IN NO WAY PRIMA FACIE
EVIDENCE THAT TERRI SCHIAVO'S MENTAL ABILITIES OR/OR CAPABILITIES
ARE COMPLETELY ERADICATED. I CANNOT BELIEVE SUCH TESTIMONY HAS BEEN
GIVEN ON THE BASIS OF THIS SCAN.
http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.ht
ml

[Kelvin Mace]

32. J. I've seen the scan

it is legit and my wife's neurologist says the case is hopeless. Her brain is gone beyond all hope.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Fleshdancer]

12. Now we know why he doesn't buy into the whole sanctity of marriage concept

So he felt that god told him that he is more powerful than he realizes? Well I feel that god told me that this guy is a complete idiot who feels things that aren't true because there is no power for anyone who has thoughts of bludgeoning and tearing apart another human being. When you hate someone that much, that person is the one with all the power.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. Schiavo atty enjoyed seeing self on TV

Another excerpt from Michael Schiavo Atty George Felos'book,
"Litigation as Spiritual Practice"

About Mrs. Estelle Browning "...I carried with me the resolute
determination to sever the artificial cord that bound Estelle
Browning to this earthly realm. Her agonized cry for release ran
though my mind over and over again, and I felt our SPIRITUAL BOND."
(pg 76)


About the Estelle Browning case, "I still got a kick that evening
seeing myself on the TV news, notwithstanding my frequently
displayed countenance in the media of late."
http://swdesertrat.blogspot.com/2005/03/george-felos-making-terri-
schiavo-pay.html

[ret5hd]

14. WARNING...

IF YOU HEAR GOD...GET HELP!!!

[warrior1]

18. Amen.

And buddy, get a life. Let the other people at this hospice have peace, along with the children who are trying to get to school past this circus.

[SidDithers]

15. Look, Ma, I can cut & paste...nt

Sid

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. About those bone-scan findings

From Code Blue Blog -

Certainly IN A CHILD (which Schiavo, obviously was not), the
combination of posterior rib fractures, vertebral compression
fractures, and distal femoral periosteal elevation is ABSOLUTELY
POSITIVELY DIAGNOSTIC for child abuse and any radiologist who missed
this diagnosis would be subject to disciplinary action from his
peers and state licensing board. SEE:
http://radiographics.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/full/23/4/811

It is my opinion that the most likely reason for these bone scan
findings in March of 1991 is that someone either was physically
abusing Terri or they dropped/mishandled her severely.
The x-rays might make all of this clearer if we can obtain them.

n.b.

Teri's fractures could be of the "insufficiency" type (caused by
prolonged immobilization/dietary irregularities) and some might
posit this explanation; however, in a nonambulatory bedridden
patient under careful supervision, I find this untenable, especially
given their distribution which are so typical for ABUSE.

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co_1.
html

[Kelvin Mace]

35. PLEASE read the

Guardian Ad Litem's report on my site. The vicious lies being printed about this man is sickening.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Lerkfish]

48. you're talking to a brick wall.

its spam time and its time to cue monty python:

SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM WONDERFULT SPAM BEAUTIFUL SPAM

[Modem Butterfly]

47. Well hey, if an anonymous nut writes it on the Internet...

It must be true, right?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. Scans indicate greater injury occurred at hospital

injury occurred while hospitalized?

Terri Did Not Suffer Her Brain Damage Outside The Hospital--It
Occurred While She Was Hospitalized

According to a time-line of physicians and therapists reports,
posted on The Empire Journal, Terri's injury occurred on 2/25/90:

2/25/1990

Terri's Injury

2/25/1990
X-Ray Report Dr. Hameroff
Images taken of cervical spine, no acute bony pathology -
straightening of normal cervical lordosis

2/25/1990
Neuro Consult Dr. DeSousa
Deeply comatose. No evidence of acute process in CT scan.
Evidence of myoclonic seizures. Rule out acute myocardiac
infarction, seizures as cause. Neck is somewhat stiff as is all of
the muscles of the body. No jugular venous distension. WBC 26,300,
drug screen negative

2/25/1990
CT Scan Report Dr. Hameroff
Normal

2/26/1990
EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Abnormal EEG indicative of generalized suppression and slowing

2/27/1990
DeSousa Report
Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response shows no significant disruption
of the brain stem acoustic pathway - study within normal limits

2/27/1990
CT Scan Report Dr. Greenberg
Normal CT Scan

2/28/1990
EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Generalized diffuse slowing. Some fast frequency rhythms which
were not obvious during previous recording. May have been slight
improvement over last EEG.

3/19/1990
EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Markedly abnormal EEG, no significant improvement from previous
records

3/30/1990
CT Scan Report Dr. Abramson
CT Scan shows noncommunicating hydrocephalus, changes occurred
since 2/27 exam

If you look carefully at this time line you will see that Terri
had "NORMAL" CT's of the brain on 2/25 and 2/27.

STOP THE PRESSES

There is categorically and absolutely NO WAY Terri could have
suffered MASSIVE ANOXIC INJURY TO THE BRAIN ON 2/25 AND HAVE NORMAL
CT SCAN ON 2/27

NO WAY

Brain edema begins to occur about 20 minutes after infarction and by
24 hours her brain (if she HAD suffered a massive anoxic event)
would have been MASSIVELY SWOLLEN -- something that could NEVER be
missed and NEVER called normal.

NEVER.

If Terri's brain CT was NORMAL 2 days after she entered the hospital
than there is NO POSSIBLE WAY she suffered a massive infarction or
global ischemia on 2/25.

THIS IS ALL WRONG

Now look at 3/30. Suddenly she develops NONCOMMUNICATING
HYDROCEPHALUS.

WHAT?

Did anyone ask HOW? How did she develop noncommunicating
hydrocephalus suddenly on 3/30/90 with 2 normal CT scans on 2/235
and 2/27??

CONCLUSIONS?

1. IF this is an accurate report (normal CT brain on 2/27 -- injury
on 2/25) then TERRI DID NOT suffer an event of massive ischemia on
2/25. tHERE IS NO RADIOLOGIST OR NEUROLOGIST OR NEUROSURGEON IN THE
WORLD THAT WOULD DISPUTE THIS. it is impossible. tHE ct ON 2/27
WOULD HAVE BEEN grossly ABNORMAL.

2. IF TERRI DID NOT SUFFER ANOXIC DAMAGE ON 2/25 THEN THE REASON FOR
HER BRAIN ATROPHY WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED after 2/25
namely in the hospital during February or march of 1990.

3. How does one develop NONCOMMUNICATING HYDROCEPHALUS in ONE MONTH?
By a blood clot obstructing the CSF outflow from the brain at the
Foramen of Magendie.

4. How does one get #3.

BY BEING HIT ON THE HEAD AND SUFFERING INTRACRANIAL HEMORRHAGE.

So Terri WAS HIT ON THE HEAD OR DROPPED ON HER HEAD DURING LATER
FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH WHILE IN THAT HOSPITAL.

Posted by Doctor CBB on March 24, 2005 at 03:56 AM | Permalink |
Comments (72) | TrackBack (9)

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/

[mattclearing]

21. God told him to make the GOP look like even bigger idiots than usual.

Thanks God!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. Killing Terri Schiavo sets horrific precedent

Killing Terri destroyed the hope for any possible future potential
therapeutic modality such as stem cells, hyperbaric oxygenation or
neurotransmitter treatment. There have been at least four confirmed
cases of patients with persistent vegetative state who have
recovered some neurologic functioning. Dr. Ronald Cranford, the
neurologist who diagnosed Ms. Schiavo's condition, was the attending
physician in one of those cases. Dr. Cranford later admitted, "Yes,
I made a mistake and to this day no one can explain these cases."
Isn't it obvious that this could be yet another "mistake"? The most
basic principal in medicine, based on the Hippocratic Oath is to "do
no harm." I would tend to believe that actively killing one's
patient violates this most basic principal.

The forced death of Terri by our judicial system sets a horrific
precedent. Should we now begin starving anyone with a
neurodegenerative condition? That would include patients with
Alzheimer's Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson's Disease, ALS,
Tay-Sachs Disease, Canavan's Disease, and the list goes on and on.

Ultimately, a society must be judged by the manner in which it
treats its most vulnerable members. Like the one and one-half
million children slaughtered by the Nazis, Terri Schiavo was totally
helpless and vulnerable. The tragedy of her needlessly imposed death
greatly lessens us all.

http://journals.aol.com/justice1949/JUSTICEFORTERRISCHIAVO/entries/82
7

[RoBear]

30. KILLING? Bullshit.

It's letting her die,which I would think the Bible-thumpers would realize. But no, no political points to score there. Have to make the "libruls" look like killers. Disgusting.

[Modem Butterfly]

50. Oh bullshit

They made that same idiotic argument after Quinlan, Cruzan, and the Oregon right-to-die measures. 30, 15, and 10 years later respectively, not a single disabled person has been placed in a single cattle car. This is just emotional bullshit that is designed to use the disabled to fool people.

[ohio_liberal]

51. Yet another broken link

*sigh*

[0007]

28. This sez it all - For those that have not seen this photo and for freepers

[Lerkfish]

46. OMG! that's GREAT! the best part is the look onthe face of the woman

in front of him turning around

note her sign: three of a kind: OJ Simpson, Mr. Schaivo and someone else I don't recognize.

Man, these people are psychos! The ONLY good thing to come of this is that the more tv time these nuts get, the more it becomes evident how psycho they are, and the more repubs back away from the issue.

[ima_sinnic]

29. whatever. you've made the point that you believe the tripe

maybe this graphic will help you come to grips with reality. by the way: brain tissue doesn't grow back or "regenerate." only reptiles, starfish, and a few other creatures have the power of regeneration.

[Bunny]

34. Oh why bother?

His mind, pathetic as it is, is already made up. Attempting to show facts will not work on someone that deluded.

[ima_sinnic]

38. why do I constantly feel so compelled to provide FACTS?

I've been getting absolutely nothing done the last few days, trying to counter the massive dis/misinformation dump that has been going on.

[Contrary1]

31. Shrub will be jealous...

that God is talking to someone else. Maybe Delay can call an emergency session for Congress, and pass a law prohibiting that.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

33. Schiavo attorney described as "God's Lawyer"

Review of George Felos' (attorney for Michael Schiavo) book "Litigation as Spiritual Practice",

"This book could be called 'God in the Courtroom.' It is a wonderful and amazing step on the path that our legal system must take if it is to truly heal and resolve the differences that arise between us. This book is a miracle. I am going to call George Felos God's Lawyer from now on." Neale Donald Walsch, author of Conversations with God

[ret5hd]

42. HAHAHAHA...god needs a LAWYER!!!...

watch out, next thing you know your god will be filing one of those frivolous lawsuits!

[mondo joe]

61. God needs a chauffer too!

And a cabana boy!!!

[Auntie Bush]

56. Aren't you feeling sleepy?

I think it's past time for a morning nap. Brains feel better and think better after they have some sleep. Sleep deprived people don't think rationally.

[Discord]

76. who the hell cares...

This isn't about the lawyer.

Its about Terri... all of you RW Fundie Facists seem to be forgetting that unless it happens to suit your talking points at the time...


my word... wheres a tombstone when you need one.

[ohio_liberal]

43. Yet again

The link is broken

[w4rma]

44. So now they're working on ways to smear and libel the Schiavos' lawyer.

Utterly shameless and despicable.

[ohio_liberal]

49. ....

[mmonk]

52. Everyone is hearing voices

God sure is busy. These lucky people, the perfect judges of humanity, God's only people. What can you say, they have a hotline to God.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

54. Code Blue Blog issues $100,000 reward

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?

To prove my point I am offering $100,000 on a $25,000 wager for ANY neurologist (and $125,000 for any neurologist/bioethicist) involved in Terri Schiavo's case--including all the neurologists reviewed on television and in the newspapers who can accurately single out PVS patients from functioning patients with better than 60% accuracy on CT scans.

I will provide 100 single cuts from 100 different patient's brain CT's. All the neurologist has to do is say which ones represent patients with PVS and which do not.

If the neurologist can be right 6 out of 10 times he wins the $100,000.

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/2150576

[ohio_liberal]

55. More spam

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

57. M Schiavo 2 differing accts r/e finding Terri on floor

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
2 CIVIL DIVISION
DATE AND TIME: July 27, 1992; 9:05 a.m. CASE NO. 92-939CI-15
p.99 Michael Schiavo Deposition Medical Malpractice Pt 4
24 Q Now, what -- when you saw her, do you know
25 what time it was? ___
p.103 of MS Depo Med Mal Pt 4
1 A I believe it was almost five a.m..
2 Q When you saw her, how was she lying; in other
3 words, on her back or --
4 A On her back.
5 Q Did she make any sound at all before she fell
6 that you heard?


Excerpts of Michael Schiavo's July 27, 1992 Deposition
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/forthelifeofterrischiavo/message/31

CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
STATE OF FLORIDA IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
PROBATE DIVISION
CASE NO. 90-2908-GD3 January 24, 2000
BEFORE: GEORGE W. GREER Circuit Court Judge
PLACE: Clearwater Courthouse
Clearwater, FL 33756


Q Michael, tell me what occurred on
11 February 25, 1990.
12 A I got home late from work that night. I
13 came in the house. Terri woke up. She heard me.
14 I gave her a kiss good night. She gave me a kiss
15 good night. A few hours later, I was getting out
16 of bed for some reason and I heard this thud. So
17 I ran out into the hall and I found Terri on the
18 floor. I knelt down next to her and I turned her
19 over because she sort of fell on her face. On her
20 stomach and face.
21 I turned her over going, "Terri, Terri.


Michael Schiavo's testimony January 24, 2000
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/forthelifeofterrischiavo/message/34

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. Feb 25 court order bans normal food or water by mouth too

Florida Judge Greer's court order bans any form of nutrition or hydration to Terri, even bans giving her the opportunity of voluntarily receiving water by mouth, or being spoon fed even jello. Terri's family has been forbidden for years from attempting to spoon feed Terri.

Feeding someone by mouth is not an artificial means of support, and the person has the choice of receiving nutrition this way or not.

More:

Judge Greer's February 25, 2005 order is not directed toward people with feeding tubes, people on "artificial life support," or people receiving medical treatment. Judge Greer's order is not directed toward those who cannot swallow food and thus need "assisted" nutrition and hydration.

Rather, Judge George Greer's order is an unprecedented call for the withholding of all forms of food and water from Terri Schiavo. It is a matter of court record that Terri can swallow.

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/ordertoremove_regular_foodandwater.html

[ohio_liberal]

59. Oh Good Grief!!

Look at the freaking home page for this website.

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/

My personal favorite:

Rock Music: Unholy

[shrub chipper]

62. OMG! Look at this page from the same website

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_vs_terri_schindler_schiavo.html

It's the Scientologists!!!!!

[ohio_liberal]

63. Damn I knew it was all their fault!

;)

[Jersey Devil]

70. food or water by mouth would asphyxiate/drown her

She can't swallow, which was the reason for the tube in the first place.

[onenote]

64. for crying out loud, just link to the source of your crap and move on

Spamming us with cut and paste junk from other websites -- very bogus.

PS - I know that I just kicked this damn thread up by posting, but we really need to find a way to kick threads like this down, not up...

onenote

[ohio_liberal]

65. It doesn't matter

The OP will just keep posting, it'll keep getting kicked. Might as well have some fun with it. :)

[shrub chipper]

66. I wasn't going to kick it, either, but

since the OP does constantly . we might as well have some fun.

I HAVE enjoyed that liberty/captives website. It is amazing!!!

[ohio_liberal]

68. Damn those scientologists

and their unholy rock music :rofl:

[shrub chipper]

71. and did you see that they also don't like the Left Behind series , either.

While that is entirely understandable from my POV, I had never heard it espoused by someone from the other extreme!!

and I quote:
God's Wrath on Left Behind includes these shocking points:

How Left Behind promotes anti-Christian behavior such as adultery, abortion, pre-marital sex, suicide, murder … and many more.
Clear evidence the Left Behind books are based on an anti-Christ foundation.
The books’ false teaching about the "mark of the beast."
Undeniable proof that Left Behind denigrates the Lord Jesus Christ.
How the series promotes New Age tenets and other anti-Christian beliefs such as witchcraft.

[ohio_liberal]

75. witchcraft, even

:D

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

67. life expectancy of 50 yrs basis of financial award

Virtually as soon as Michael Schiavo received the monies from the medical malpractice claim involving his wife, Terri Schindler-Schiavo, he withheld all therapy and rehabilitation services from her.

Terri Schiavo had sustained a serious brain injury as the result of a suspicious incident in their home in 1990 and in 1992, her husband had filed claims against several of her former doctors, claiming her “collapse” was caused by a misdiagnosis. He received over $1.5 million in 1993 including $750,000 which had been specifically earmarked by the trial jury for Terri’s rehabilitation based on a life expectancy of 50 years.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/53209_schiavo_case_tangled_web_o.htm

[Me.]

72. Kool-Aid Instead Of Coffee This Morning? n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

73. Schiavo Hospice knowingly hired convicted embezzler for finance dept

Hospice of the Florida Suncoast KNOWINGLY Chose to Hire Convicted Felon to Work in Finance Department!!

In all of Florida, wasn't there even ONE person more trustworthy than a convicted felon who embezzled from a finance department??

http://www.hospicepatients.org/hosp-fl-suncoast-shame/hospice-chose-to-hire-convicted-felon-susan-wynn-rather-than-honest-employees.html

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

74. Schiavo Hospice charged with receiving improper medicare payments

Suncoast received improper Medicare payments totaling $8.9 million for the 176 ineligible beneficiaries and $5.9 million relating to 118 beneficiaries for whom we were unable to determine that a terminal illness existed at the time of admission to the hospice.

We are recommending the intermediary:
o Recover payments of $8.9 million for the 176 beneficiaries who were not eligible for Medicare hospice benefits. Recover payments made on behalf of these benefitiiaries still enrolled in hospice care after December.3 1, 1995. _

o Conduct medical reviews of the 118 cases, for which the hospice received $5.9 million, that we were unable to conclusively determine that the beneficiary was terminally ill. Based on the results of these reviews, take appropriate action to recover amounts determined to be overpayments.
http://www.hospicepatients.org/hosp-fl-suncoast-shame/oig-says-hosp-fl-suncst-fraud-49502111.pdf

[ohio_liberal]

Yep that proves it

They're trying to kill Terri Schiavo because of someone else's improper medicare payments. :silly:

[last1standing]

77. Locking.

Due to dubious and inmflammatory sources.