Clinton rescued Elian with federal troops. Why didn't * do this for Terri?

[MoonRiver]

Do you think fundies are gnashing teeth and pulling hair out by fistfuls over this comparison? :D

[Tsiyu]

1. Hey, don't give them any stupid ideas

Okay?;)

[johnfunk]

23. Truth is, Clinton sometimes ignored the poll numbers...

... as in the case of Elian (at least the poll numbers among the Batista apologists in Florida's Cuban-American community).

Bush sure as hell isn't ignoring them now. Karl Röve miscalculated, both in the short and long term, on using the empty husk of Terri Schiavo as a political tool.

[unblock]

2. immigration in clearly a federal question. feeding tubes are clearly not.

[MoonRiver]

4. Yeah, but I doubt many knuckledraggers can discriminate the difference.

Most are functioning on a mental level below Terri's.

[femme.democratique]

3. The two cases are not similar

In the Elian case the stormtroopers descended because the family was in direct violation of a court order. This case is exactly the opposite, if Bu$sh did this he would himself be violating the will of courts. The cases are totally different.

[MoonRiver]

5. I don't want him to do it. I'm just wondering about the mindsets, or lack

thereof, among fundies.

[bowens43]

6. There was a court order authorizing the return of Elian

to his father. The courts did authorize anyone to 'rescue' Terri.

[TexasSissy]

7. Elian's situation was decided by law. I don't recall that anyone

came to get him....well, I sort of do vaguely. But it wasn't a "rescue," really. The govt reps just went to get him, in accordance with a court order that decided the Elian situation.

What Jethro did was send some govt agencies to "rescue" Terri FROM a court order. In defiance of the law.

The first situation - legal. The second - illegal.

[Pachamama]

8. The Difference is that Clinton was rescueing someone from the Crazies

and if Bush sent in the Feds he'd be taking someone who is being protected from the Crazies? :shrug:

Umm, because Federal law allowed Clinton to do it and Federal and State Law prohibits Bush from doing it? :shrug:

Personally, I kinda am hoping and daring the Bush Bros to do it and show the world their true colors and maybe America would finally wake up, if they haven't already this week....

[snippy]

9. Polls. If polls showed Bush's position to be popular he not only would

have sent in federal law enforcement to seize Schiavo, he also probably would have declared "Mission Accomplished" afterwards, especially if they let him wear a costume again.

[ima_sinnic]

13. exactly! it would not be politically expedient, is the only reason

--they (either Bush bozo) could care less about Terri Schiavo, or about the law. since "sending in the troops" would cost them dearly politically, they're not gonna do it.

[Gman]

10. There are countless posts at FR about this

[MoonRiver]

12. What are they saying? I get ill when I go over there, plus its hard

to maneuver through the posts.

[Demit]

11. I think femme is right. Clinton was enforcing a court order. Jeb would be

violating it. Someone would have pointed this out to the fundies and it is easily grasped that it wouldn't be a useful point of reason. Essentially it's irrelevant to their cause, which is better served, as I imagine they intuit, by appeals to emotion.

[MrBenchley]

14. Good point--Big Bill has balls and Gutless George has none...

(Of course, Bill also had the law on his side...but the law means nothing to those who are going to fret about the two cases in comparison to one another.....)

A great meme to spread among the pig-ignorant.

[MoonRiver]

15. Yep, if legal distinctions meant anything to the wackos they'd

be home respecting judicial rulings over the last decade which supported Michael Schiavo's decision to remove the feeding tube. Instead, they are committing civil disobedience, threatening and scaring both those in the hospice and surrounding community. These people have ZERO respect for the rule of law unless it agrees with their beliefs. They think * should follow suit.

[MrBenchley]

17. Exactly...

There's a great post up this AM from Tena at First Draft...

"There are 70 patients in the hospice. Everyone one of those people has come to that hospice to die. Their families are there to share their last moments with their loved ones. And instead of this what they have are a bunch of religious loons screeching and using bullhorns and going into hysterics and getting arrested. And getting their children arrested.
Is this contemporary American Christianity? This is like a demon horde from hell. They are without any feelings for other human beings without any morals, and without any thought. They are without humanity.
I don't remember my NT that well, but isn't Holy Saturday the day when Christ went down to hell? These creatures outside of the hospice slavering over the death of what remains of Terri Schiavo have managed to drag hell right up to earth. "

http://first-draft.com/

[kodi]

18. sure is

i am absolutely stunned at the stupidity of the question as if there were some sort of equivalence in the two cases.

[MrBenchley]

19. But those dumb enough to ask the question

can't be happy with the implications of the "answer"....unless they prefer a cowardly eunuch in the Oval Office (snicker)...

By the way, let's not forget to point out that Gutless George is a war time deserter who won't appear before audiencesunless they sign loyalty oaths.

[NewJeffCT]

16. the difference is the RW leaders really want Terri to be a martyr

That way, they can scream "Remember Terri Schiavo" to rally their "base" next year, while the mainstream will have forgotten about it.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Very simple. The law was on the side of Juan Miguel Gonzalez

It is also on the side of Michael Schiavo.

When the authorities took Elian, they were enforcing the law.

Were Jeb to send state troopers down to take Terri, he would be violating the law.

[mondo joe]

21. I do think the fundies ARE making that comparison. They're WRONG,

but that never stops them.

[MoonRiver]

22. And if deluded cognitive dissonance results in mass brain explosions

so be it! :D