I no longer feel sorry for the Schindlers. They are scum sucking pigs.

[rooboy]

I decided to watch only 30 seconds of Hannity & Colmes, and they've got Terri Schiavo's siblings on there complaining. Some woman - who imagine is Terri Schiavo's sister - claimed that 33 neurologists issued an opinion that Terri was NOT in a persistent vegetative state. Colmes then said that it was his understanding that only 6 of those 33 had examined her, and of those only ONE thought she wasn't a vegetable. The Schindler woman just sat and squirmed in her chair.

Fucking liars.

[candle_bright]

1. Whoa

They are Terri Schiavo's family, not scum sucking pigs. Of course they are heavily emotionally invested in this.

Please, for cryin' out loud, this is over the top.

[rooboy]

4. This is not some sudden emotional trauma.

She's been in this state for FIFTEEN YEARS. There is no excuse for coming out with such blatant lies after such a long time. I haven't yet seen any stinging rebukes from the Schindlers for the lies being perpetrated about Michael Schiavo. They have stooped to the lowest level of opportunism imo. No wonder their best friends have become the GOP and Fox News.

[candle_bright]

6. Their sister is dying

with cracked lips, tongue, and nose. Cut them some slack.

I wouldn't want to see a loved one die that way either. Allow them their rightful emotions, okay?

Wouldn't you be distraught, exhausted, and heartbroken if you were in their shoes?

[mattclearing]

7. Their sister has been dead for fifteen years!!!

These people are crazy, and they are dragging the entire nation into their personal business, and forfeiting the rights of all of us.

They get no sympathy. It's not about them anymore.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. I agree

They could've kept this a private matter but they didn't. They're telling all the lies about the husband just for their own selfish selves with NO proof whatsoever.

[candle_bright]

12. Look

I'm not arguing any of the "merits" of the decision.

ALL I am saying is it is wrong to bash the family. They ARE her family, and there is no way around that. Are you saying they are not entitled to their own feelings, and they should be slammed for daring to have feelings about their sister/daughter?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. No, they're no longer "family"

They're pimps who have turned their daughter out as a symbol of all that America is not, simply to wreak havoc on the life of her husband.

They forfeited the right to be called "family" when they decided to whore their daughter in the interests of the rightwingnut fundamentalists who have tried to wipe their asses with our Constitution. Now that they've failed, they're out of control, and their lies - yeah, Terri is talking to them - are an affront to families everywhere.

Scum. They're scum.

The only sense of loss they're feeling is that Michael got his way, and did the right thing for his wife.

[candle_bright]

16. Forfeited their right to be family?

I don't think so. They ARE her family. That is a FACT.

Or did some court rule that they are no longer related?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

17. You're being quite literal,

on a topic that's nothing but figurative and symbolic.

How's this for a hard, cold, literal fact - Mrs. Schiavo died fifteen years ago, and has been on life support ever since then (yes, feeding tubes are life support). What kind of parent fights to keep a child in that kind of hideous state?

I'm a mother, and I cannot comprehend the shameful spectacle these people have made of their tragic daughter.

Can you imagine doing that to your kids? What do your kids say about that?

[candle_bright]

19. Again

I am not arguing about the decision. I am just saying that trashing the family for having emotions is low-brow. That is my position, to which I am entitled.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. You sure are

I just wanted to share my opinion with you, since you opened that door. So, when I say they've forfeited their right to be considered 'family,' I am certain you'll respect that, as I respect your opinion.

It is always unfortunate when someone digs in, though, and retorts with "It's my opinion, and I'm entitled."

You're not a parent, I'll bet.

Everyone lost in this one.

[candle_bright]

28. Fair enough

Your opinion is that the family is scum and have "forfeited" their right to any emotions regarding Terri Schiavo.

My opinion is the opposite.

However, I do agree with you that nobody comes out a winner in this. It's very sad all around.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

36. Let me clarify

I did not say, nor did I mean, that their feelings were invalid. I have no interest in their feelings.

What I object to is their acting out and making their daughter a wretched spectacle, all to advance the interests of the anti-choice movement.

When you become a parent, you'll see it very differently, but, for now, I commend you for your compassion. When you're a parent, you see so many more dimensions to this horror show.

Be safe.

[MrModerate]

61. Feelings be damned. Let's talk decency and dignity.

By dragging this out for so long they have abandoned the first and robbed their daughter of the second.

By making this a public circus, they have earned our contempt. I acknowledge their feelings (although I frankly doubt their sincerity), but THIS ISN'T ABOUT THEM ANYMORE. It hasn't been for most of a decade.

This is about letting yourself be a tool for fascists and symbolically dragging your daughter's corpse around the public square for show.

Let them grieve in private. In the meantime they should shut up.

[shelley806]

24. I agree with you. I no longer have any sympathy for these people.

My dog is a more respectful family member than Terry is to them. And I would never keep her alive artificially for my own selfish benefit. IMHO they are disgusting people, and I believe it is motivated by money and revenge, not out of respect for the dignity of life.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

38. You know what's heartbreaking?

That the illegal video that was shot by her parents - in violation of a protective court order obtained by her husband to safeguard his wife's privacy and dignity - is how poor Mrs. Schiavo is going to be remembered by the public.

I think she'd have preferred this as her lasting image - - don't you?

A pretty girl who had a husband who loved her and parents who exploited her.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. It is very sad and disgusting

What they've done to their daughter for their own selfish reason's. Before when this first began nobody ever saw any of these pictures of the very pretty young girl who seems to be very happy in the photo. All we saw was the video clip of her shell. I would be ashamed.

[jasmineblue]

55. Very heartbreaking

especially the image of someone lifting up her nightgown exposing her abdomen with the feeding tube in it. This poor girl had to have a poor self image & worried about her appearance to the point of being bulimic.
I can't imagine she would have ever wanted these illegally taped images of her in the worst condition of her life, being broadcast throughout the entire world by her "loving" family. Their actions show the uttermost disregard for her dignity. They disgust me!

[shelley806]

59. I've had exactly the same thoughts! Eating disorders are usually

(maybe always) associated with low self image and dysfunctional families. Her abusive parents violated her further. Perhaps its good that she never regained consciousness.

[shelley806]

57. This made me cry last night...This photo is definitely a better

image, but although I've not seen this one, MSM kept playing unrealistic images of her 'smiling' etc., side by side with photos of her previous state.

[earth mom]

66. Agree with you 100% OLL. Once again you hit the nail on the head! eom

[mattclearing]

14. On national television?

This isn't Survivor, you know.

They are trying to dismember OUR Constitution for their daughter who has zero chance of saying anything.

I don't want my parents making my decisions for me.

This would effectively destroy the age of majority as we know it.

So no, they get no sympathy. They've had 15 years to say goodbye.

They obviously care more about their brain dead sister than they do about the 300 million people who overwhelmingly disagree with them and stand to lose rights because of their stubborn refusal to accept reality.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Right

Plus she is an adult and she married this man and they gave him their blessing for him to move on after it was discovered she had no hope to survive. I don't know why they didn't pull the plug sooner personally. I've always had some sense that everything happens for some reason. Maybe the parents had to learn some sort of lesson. I really don't know. But her husband is the only person who should be calling the shots in this along with her REAL doctor's and the judge. Over twenty-two judges have said NO but they keep pushing and pushing and telling lies and slandering. If I was Michael Schavio I'd take my lawyer and sue every single one of them.

[Lindacooks]

26. I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to LIE about her.

They are LYING about her being able to speak. They are LYING about her wishes. They have said that even if she had left an explicit living will, they would not abide by her wishes - they would keep her alive, even to amputating all her limbs.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Their feelings are purely false

They have proven that. If they really cared about her they would've kept this PRIVATE and told Tom DeLay, Bill Frist and whoever to FUCK OFF.

[Pepperbelly]

21. They get some from me.

I feel sorry for all of them, her most of all.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Yes

She and her husband are the only victims in this story. Nobody else. No matter what any fundie says. And not because she's "dying" but because of this circus show she's being remembered by.

[Pepperbelly]

65. I think that their problem is that they just can't let go ...

and I understand that. I doubt that they intended this circus. It is an awful spectacle but at the same time, I suspect that it happened organically because of the dickweeds they ended up allied with. It's a damn shame, it's ugly, but that doesn't detract from the original loss of their daughter.

I have sympathy for everyone involved except the pols and the stupid people trying to insert themselves into family business.

[Malikshah]

23. Have they cut Michael any slack?

Have they made public their denouncements of the death threats against Michael and the judges?

If not-- no slack. He's lost someone as well.

[girl gone mad]

25. Why aren't they at her bedside, instead of..

grandstanding in front of the cameras?

In my opinion, this is about raising money, not about concern for Terri.

[FreedomAngel82]

49. Exactly

They have this whole little organization they've made called "Save Terri" or some crap like that where they put a website up and you can send them money. They won't take care of her! If they do they'll just let her die anyways and take the money. They tried taking care of her before in their home and THREE weeks later they brought her back. What will make this time ANY different? Money.

[zann725]

56. Yeah. That "says it all." Seems Michael's the only one at her side.

Literally.

[Biased Liberal Media]

31. How do you know that is true?? Have you seen pictures of Terri?

Have you seen her in person?

[FreedomAngel82]

41. They know exactly what they are doing

I do not feel one ounce of sympathy. I would face reality. They have been denied over twenty-two judges now. Three/four times by the supreme court and tons of REAL doctors have told them the truth. SHE'S GONE! SHE'S BEEN GONE FOR FIFTEEN YEARS! MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE AND LET HER DIE WITH SOME DIGNITY!

[mondo joe]

63. "Rightful emotions" do not include outright lying.

[DenaliDemocrat]

8. I strongly disagreee with you

they are not doing this for republican talking points, they are doing this as bereived siblings and parents. It is the GOP that is bastardizing this for their own purpose. Her family is misguided it seems, but as a parent, I could not imagine watching my child die this way, even though I know it would be for the best. I cannot imagine the pain they are experiencing.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. They could have kept this private

They didn't. So I do not feel sorry for them one bit.

[Princess Turandot]

18. I'm not so sure that the they didn't accept her death years ago..

when this first started getting publicity few years back, they appeared on the Larry King show and had very little to say. They certainly weren't intellectually pursuasive and they weren't too compelling emotionally. It wasn't until Operation Rescue had spent enough time couching them that they started talking in media perfect sound-bytes.

Judge Greer's own opinion indicates that the Schindler's demanded money from Michael Schiavo's pain & suffering award (his $, not the trust set up to care for her). That seems uncontested as a fact. When my father died as a result of medical malpractice, my siblings & I weren't lined up to get my mother's award, and I lived with my parents during the worst of it. There also seems to be evidence that the Schindlers weren't quite as attentive to their daughter, visiting her constantly, for years. Now it seems like they never left her side for a second, the way they posture themselves. I'm sure they will be sad when her body finally dies, but I find it hard to not think they are trying to take advantage of this situation.

[crispini]

33. "Operation Rescue" -- that says it all right there.

Somehow they have convinced the family to drink the kool-aid. At this point it's not about Terri or about this family any more. That evil shyster, what's his name, Randall Terry, he's convinced them that they are serving a CAUSE.

And there's nothing more crazy than someone who believes in a CAUSE.

[Biased Liberal Media]

34. I think that's the most messed up part

Sorry, I have no sympathy for her parents anymore. At first I did, but I no longer do when they are allowing people like Randall Terry to stand up for their daughter.

If it were me, and I died, I'd be rolling in my own grave...

[July]

37. Misguided, at the least.

My mother watched my brother die, and prayed for his release. IMO, it's selfish to think of one's own desires in those moments. And no mother and son were closer than my mother and my brother.

Losing a child is horrible, no matter what. Making it about yourself is wrong. Again, it's my opinion. The parent cannot escape the pain. Trying to prolong the beating of a heart is not in the interest of the child, it is an attempt to avoid facing the ultimate pain.

[Biased Liberal Media]

29. Oh please

if they didn't want this circus they wouldn't have started it. They're continuing to drag it out, making up stories, so yes, they are acting like scum sucking pigs. They're milking it for all its worth.

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Yep

And they would've told them all to "go away." Including those protestors at the hospice that they appreciate the thoughts and care but to leave in peace. They could've easily said no to this whole situation. When this was first going on I heard an AAR news report and the mother was on there speaking. She said: "please don't make this about politics. Please save my daughter." Talking about the democrats in Congress because they were battling this out. This is a PRIVATE and STATE issue. Not a circus.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. They are

They're pure bullshitters. They don't care who they are hurting. All they care about is their selfish reason's. THEY KNOW they have no proof of anything they are stating. No proof has been shown and they are not answering question's that could possibly back them up. They are sucking pigs. Anybody who doesn't see it are sucked into their fake shit.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

2. Hey, they're not liars!

Just 'chronic fucking misleaders'.

[monobrau]

3. "Judge want to kill Terri"

That's right folks, Terri saw Bill Clinton's yacht unloading cocaine on a Florida beach and she was shot with a deadly tabin needle. The hit was bungled, but the Clinton secret hit squad thought they were safe. It was in 1997 when Terri sat up in bed and screamed "COCAINE" that the Clintons hired Micheal Schiavo and awarded him with a former Clinton concubine in exchange for cooperating. After that it was easy to have their way in the courts using blackmail, bribery, and satanic rituals. I know the moderators will delete this post and come looking for me now, so I must leave for my wilderness hideaway. Pray for me.

[babylonsister]

5. ROTF-LMAO!

[jonnyblitz]

58. LMFAO!

:thumbsup:

[sonicx]

9. is it true that when colmes asked one of the siblings why they waited a...

week to tell a court about the "i want to live" thing, that they refused to answer?

[ohio_liberal]

15. Same thing on other shows tonight

The lawyers and the family are refusing to answer.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. As they say

"silence is golden."

[ObaMania]

46. Yes, and...

.. pretty much every time Colmes asked a question, they looked to InSanity to help them answer.

Plus, has anyone noticed that all the FAUX News hosts seem to be looking all teary eyed and dpressed over this matter? Especially John Kasich who is filling in for Loofa boy tonite.

[UTUSN]

22. Is Bob "Biological" or "Step"----Not That Real Fatherhood Matters n/t

[charlyvi]

27. They lost me when Mr. Schindler stated

even if the family knew for certain that Terri would not wish to be kept alive in her state, they would still fight to keep her alive.

They are ignoring their daughter's wishes so as to keep her around like some favored pet; in fact, they are lying through their teeth to accomplish this end. In the process, they are expoiting their daughter, demonizing her husband, attacking the judicial integrity of the Florida state courts and the SCOTUS itself, all in the name of their utterly selfish desire to prolong Mrs. Shiavo's brain dead existence. If you can call it existence.

I have no respect for them.

[Biased Liberal Media]

32. Exactly!

[ObaMania]

53. Hate to sound heartless, but..

.. they want to keep her around, let her pass and find a Taxidermist to stuff her. Same thing as what's going on with her now, only they won't have to clean her mess.

Hey, Sunday is Easter. Maybe with all the prayer vigils going on, we may witness a miracle -- or not.

[Individualist]

30. Nor do I

They're lying, selfish opportunists who have milked this tragedy for all the publicity they can get. I feel nothing but contempt for them. :puke:

[Blue-Jay]

35. Actually, I *do* feel sorry for them.

They're losing (or "have lost", if you prefer) a child, and are understandably upset. I feel also sorry for them because they, weakened by grief, have decided to throw their lot in with RW church lady nutjobs who are willing to tell them what they want to hear in order to further their own political agendas. It's a sad story from whatever direction that you choose to look at it.

They've made some bad (my opinion) decisions and have reacted in ways with which I disagree, but when I consider that from the perspective of having to watch their own child die, I pity them. It's horrible for them, as it would be for anyone else. Maybe *I'd* want to believe the lies that were told to me if it were my child. I don't like or agree with the Schindlers, but I certainly feel for them.

The only good that I will get out of this whole sad affair is that I will make sure that my own wishes regarding a similar situation are recorded in writing.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

40. Check my posts

I put a link to a durable Health Care Power Of Attorney, with instructions on how to execute it, on DU the other day. Got a few thousand hits the first day.

I would urge you to find it and make good use of it. We all need this.

[Blue-Jay]

43. We have the necessary links/software.

It took this pitiable story to get us to start talking about it.

Thanks, though. I appreciate it. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

54. Bad decisions?

How do you call ignoring every judge and doctor they've gone to? Her brain is LIQUID! She is not there. They even have a freakin foundation now so you can send THEM money! If they had any proof of their whole little "Michael is an abuser" claims they'd have the proof to back it up. Their silence on these question's, and looking to people like Sean Hannity, is really showing a lot.

[ronnykmarshall]

45. They love life ...

yet they don't give a shit about the other people that are in that hospice that are dying.

They will support this bullshit in front of the hospice without a goddamn care about any other family.

They are self centered and heartless.

[mondo joe]

52. Agreed. They have no compassion for the lives they are impacting,

and no hesitation to slander Michael Schiavo.

[shadowknows69]

60. misguided but not evil

I won't cast any negative energy toward these desperate people. they are not the machine that escalated this madness even if they are willing accomplices now.

[da_chimperor]

62. Wow, I disagree.

They're not telling the truth, but that's because they're willing to do anything to keep TS alive. Anything. They're not bad people, they're just desperate and, IMO, misguided. If you don't like what they have to say, don't listen. :hi:

[drdon326]

64. WOW...I'd tell you how much I hate your post.....

but i really dont feel like getting banned today.

I have nothing but sympathy for these parents.

[Tippy]

67. I feel sorry for ALL concerned but

What about how all this is effecting other residents of the Hospics facility....I just read this AM about how one...got the call to come and because of all the people and security measures set up outside she did not make get inside in time to tell her Grandfather good-by...

One would think Terri is the only IMPORTANT person there...Terri's parents should try thinking about someone else for a change and ask all these so called supporters to leave the area and stay away...Instead we have people trying to get in there to kill their daughters husband...

Have all these people taken leave of their senses???