She is SENATOR Clinton - let's start demanding the media use that title.

[Divernan]

Have you noticed how typically the media refers to Former First Lady/now Senator Hillary Clinton as just "Hillary". I don't expect the media, particularly headline writers with their space limitations to always refer to politicians with their full title, but as I was once taught in journalism class, the first reference in an article should include the title and full name, and subsequent mentions could simply use the last name. This would also solve the problem of which Clinton one was referring to. She is not an entertainer like Cher or Sting, who has chosen to use a single name. I heard a commentary on NPR which had repeated, not particularly friendly, references to her as "Hillary". Compare that to Senator Thurmond's recent demise, or the brouhaha surrounding his birthday party - primary references were to Senator Thurmond, and secondary references to the Senator or Thurmond, not Strom - although his first name was as recognizable as his full title to most people. What other United States Senators or Cabinet Members, or former first ladies, or SCOTUS justices are routinely referred to by just their first names? I have never heard a real journalist, or even Cokie Roberts, refer to Justice O'Conner as Sandra.

I don't agree with Senator Clinton's positions on quite a few issues, and I don't support her for President, but I admire her tremendously for her courage in standing up to Richard Scaiffe Mellon and Ken Starr and the other conservative monsters who tried their best to destroy her. It just KILLED them when she was elected to the United States Senate. So to give her the respect she's earned and that her office is traditionally given, and to get in Tim Russert's and other conservatives' faces, I ask you to join me in referring to her as Senator Clinton, and not minimizing her significance by calling her Hillary.

[gibbyman]

1. How Right You Right You Are

I'll agree with you 100%

[RichM]

2. Hillary is vastly over-rated & over-talked about. It doesn't matter

what they call her. The best would be if they stopped talking about her altogether.

The last good thing she said was her accusation about the "vast rightwing conspiracy." She could have spelled out exactly what she meant by that - because she was dead right about it - but apparently lacked the nerve. She never said jack-boo about it again.

She disgraced herself in October by standing up and lecturing sanctimoniously for 10 minutes about how often history shows that dissenters, in retrospect, are proven right. Then she proceeded to vote for the Iraq war.

The hell with her. She seems to like being a celebrity more than she likes standing up for anything important. What good is she?

[diplomats]

5. Rich, we all know you don't like Sen. Clinton

You've made that abundantly clear a billion times. If you're tired of hearing about her, why do even bother posting in these threads? You're entitled to your opinion, but so are the rest of us, OK?

[TahitiNut]

8. "we all"?? "us"??

I missed the nomination and election of such spokespersonhood. (Playground bully rhetoric.) :eyes:

[diplomats]

13. I didn't mean to be presumptuous

but I stand by what I said. If you're sick of hearing about someone, why post in a thread about the person? Makes so sense to me.

[RichM]

14. This is a discussion board, right? I just offered 2 specific ways in

which Hillary is a worthless chicken. If you'd like to point out some specific ways in which she's not a worthless chicken, please go right ahead. I'm all ears.

[diplomats]

21. Let's see ...

her vote against John Ashcroft, her votes against the Bush tax cuts (every one of them), her fight for tax credits for the working poor. I'm not thrilled about her Iraq vote either, but I'm not going to let one issue color my whole opinion of her. BTW, she's never backed down from her criticism of the VRWC. In interviews for her book, she's said repeatedly that the forces that tried to destroy her husband are now running the government, a statement you and I would certainly agree with!

[quilp]

17. Why do people have this hostility toward Hillary Clinton?

I can see why there is animosity toward Bill Clinton. He did a lot of things I didn't like. NATA, welfare reform, Lonnie Guinnier (spelling?)and that black woman surgeon general he failed to defend for treating people as adults etc. But what has this to do with Hillary? Where in her life can anyone point and say she really did a bad or illegal act?

[Bandit]

7. You should read her book ` It may change your opinion of her.

:shrug: just my $.02 worth

[quilp]

20. You seem to be complaining that Hillary Clinton is a politician.

All politicians have to break bread with people they hate. They shake hands with people they despise. They often have to parse their words (we all have seen that). They also caste votes against their conscience. It goes with the job! Out of power all Hillary is is a succesfull autobiographer. In power she can do some good, tho' I'm sure not all the good she'd like to do. She isn't Joan of Arc. You are setting the bar too high for her. Too many people are doing that. Especially Republicans!

[diplomats]

3. Sounds good to me!

eom

[Skittles]

4. Here in Texas

she is often referred to as "Mrs. Clinton."

[onecitizen]

6. Agree completely! nt

nt

[liberalnurse]

9. Hail to Honorable Senator Clinton.

And lets not forget it either.

[CWebster]

10. Hillary Billary Bop

Sounds good to me!

from 'Yellow Submarine"

[dsc]

11. You are quite right

Neither President nor Senator Clinton are given the titles that they have earned a deserved often enough. Funny but all those times I heard Clinton or Bill when these 'journalists' discussed him are now replaced by President Bush when discussing the current occupant. I can't think of another Senator, man or woman, to whom this is routinely done.

[oldcoot]

12. Good point

You are right, the media does refer to Senator Clinton as just "Hillary." I have never heard a single reporter refer to any other elected official the same way.

[DS1]

15. Should we be fair

and demand that the press quit calling him "Mr." Bush?

It works both ways, frankly I'm happy with the status quo.

[dsc]

16. Do they do that all the time

or only after having referred to him as President Bush first? Also there is a quatum difference between Mrs. Clinton and Hillary as well as between Mr. Bush and George.

[Divernan]

18. "Mrs. Clinton" would be mimally respectful and a lot better

than just a first name. Which is exactly why you'll NEVER hear Tim (Russert) or Cokie (Robertson) or George (Stephanapolous) refer to Bush as "George".

[mhr]

19. If We Did That

We could no longer call the pResident Shrub, GW, Dubya, Boosh, etc!

[Divernan]

22. Sure we can, because DU does not bill itself as "We report, you decide"

and DU does not get government subsidies like NPR, or otherwise advertise ourselves as neutral politically.

[oldcoot]

23. Whether you like her or not, Senator Clinton has earned her title

She won an election, which is more than I can say for Bush.

[southernfried]

24. pretty much the same deal with Bill wasn't it ?

price she pays for popularity