Nader bashers make me sick

[sportndandy]

Stop blaming 2000 on Ralph Nader.

Gore won the election. Bush stole it. Blame Gore for not taking it back. Blame Bush for stealing it.

How can you blame Nader for being a third option? If Nader had not run, Bush would have still stolen the election, and Gore would have let him.

Stop blaming the Bush administration on Nader. You all are starting to sound like republicans, devouring their own.

[Bunny]

1. This is s-o-o-o-o-o 2001.

Nader's an egomaniacal dick. Sorry if it makes you sick, but I'll bash him all day long if I choose to.

[Deja Q]

2. Jeb, Kathleen Harris, bogus felon charges, the partisan supreme court

There were MANY factors but too many people put ALL of the blame on Nader, whose involvement was comparatively miniscule - not to mention Nader's actions were legal; the chicanery involving finding new 'felons' to disqualify, let alone the Supreme Court's obvious and blatent partisanship...

Nader bashers can rot until they stink putrid. Fucking mindless dolts.

THANK YOU, BTW. I generally don't like flamebait threads, but yours is encouraging the majority (the Nader-scapegoaters) to whine.

But Nader has turned too; DU presented MANY articles showing what a scumbag he is. But Selection 2000 was far, far, far deeper and many keep forgetting that.

[sendero]

10. Once and for all try to understand the obvious...

... all of those other factors were the enemies of the Dem party and Ralph was supposed to be our friend.

HE GOT NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING out of running except to be a spoiler.

[applegrove]

3. So as a Nader supporter - if you work for him does Rove sign the

checks?

Give up.

[ladjf]

4. There was an array of several factors that set up the election

farce of 2000. Nader's pointless presence did contribute to Bush's ascension. Knowing that he couldn't have been elected, it appeared that his intention was to help the Republican cause. He actually implied that himself during the campaign. As I recall, his remarks were something along the lines of "it will have to get worse before it can get better".

[rainy]

9. If we were honest with ourselves we'd realize that our two party

system is a farce. Both parties pander to big business and corporations, hence, the lack of democratic balls everyday. Didn't want to vote against Iraqi war for political reasons, election was coming up etc.. It does have to get worse before it gets better. If you think Kerry in the house right now would have our troops home, our air, land and water drastically heading for cleaner days, health care for all, non-corporate funded elections, election reform, instant runoff voting, all in our near future, then you are kidding yourself.

Nader knows that until we really address election reform, environmental issues seriously, single payer health-care and more, things will just keep getting worse. It will not matter if a Dem or Repub is in the WH. Did Clinton really make a difference for Progressives? No.

Don't get me wrong the Dems are better, just not that much. They are afraid of political fallout. The media would tear them up it they discuss real progressive change. It will get worse before it gets better because we are fighting a big profit and power machine that will not give it up without a huge fight.

[Skittles]

5. I will bash that slimy f*** all I g.d please

thank you very much

[wildmanj]

6. nader

is nothing more or less than a corporate whore---nuf said--and yes opinions are like @@@@@@@@--everybody has one :bounce:

[BiggJawn]

7. "...sound like republicans, devouring their own."

Uh, say WHAT?
To be "devouring my own" by ripping Nader and the thralls who support his ass, I'd have to BE a Nader supporter.

I'm not.

Ripping Nader and his unwashed hoards is no more "Devouring our own" than ripping Bush and Rove is.

Nader supporters make me sick, too. Mindless Thralls.

[Kahuna]

18. Well said, BJ!!

:toast:

[BOSSHOG]

8. No Nader fan here, but

This week on Crossfire, he was cohosting and Novak was blathering on about how when he talks at College Campuses students tell him how sickened they are at all the liberal Professors. Nader chimed in and said no Bob, they are sickened because you were invited to speak. I never could understand how one would not be satisfied with small political successes to grow on instead of wanting it all, at once. He could have bargained with Gore and been closer to his goals, instead he is scorned from various political camps, not that that's a bad thing.

[Azathoth]

11. I don't blame Nader for 2000

I blame him for attempting a repeat performance in 2004.

[rooboy]

12. Most people dislike Nader for 2004 rather than blame him for 2001. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Hah? So when Nader was letting Republicans run his state campaigns

and circulate petitions to get him on the ballot... in 2004, mind you...

are we allowed to "bash" him for that?

Nader is a self-centered, arrogant prick. Whatever good he ever did on this planet (and I certainly USED to respect the man) has been utterly erased by the craphound legacy of what he's done to our country and our world-- and all just to feed his own swollen, slightly asymmetrical head.

His followers and apologists, with their wannabe radical, scorched-earth approach to politics (i.e. "It has to get worse before it gets better".. yeah, well, it's pretty fucking bad, now, isn't it? So how come it keeps getting worse?) ...are another matter, entirely.

[RetroLounge]

14. Nader is supporting Jeb and Bush on the Schiavo thing now.

Nader can fuck off and die, and his supporters better see that they are in bed with a Repug Opportunist Whore.

And they can always go form WhackJobGreenRepugOpportunistPayedOffWHorePigFuckerNaderUnderground.com

RL

[Don1]

15. Nader -- the most powerful man in America?

"If Nader had not run, Bush would have still stolen the election, and Gore would have let him."

So let me get this straight. Gore really won. Katherine Harris, the media, the Supreme Court and Congress all made Bush out to be the winner. And somehow people are still blaming Nader for this and throwing their support back to that Congress? Wow, Nader must be the most powerful man in America!

2004 was no different. Remember how most of the Dem party did nothing over the Ohio vote issue.

Wake up people! The problem isn't Nader, it's the Democratic party. You need to clean it. You need to get rid of the corruption. Elect some progressive candidates who actually get funding from all of us and not the defense contractors.

[Pepperbelly]

16. devouring our own?

Now that is just plain silly.

Nader is not one of ME. He has his own fish to fry. Sometimes we agree, often we do not.

What are you advocating? Bowing down and praying to St. Ralphie? Or just forgetting the intemperate remarks he has made concerning ME (i.e. a Democrat)?

[Kahuna]

17. Really? Any way you slice it, voting for Nader was a vote..

for Bush. If you don't believe that, isn't Bush the one sitting in the WH?

[mattclearing]

19. Agreed. Gore knows he blew it. I know he blew it.

There's a case to be made that Ralph Nader has done more for the progressive movement in the last forty years than the Democratic Party.

People who discourage third party candidates hate democracy as much as the Diebolders do.

[Rowdyboy]

20. That dumbass shit isn't one of "our own".....He's an ego searching for

a camera. Now he's whining "Let Terri live....Don't starve poor Terri" What next Ralphie-gonna endorse your brother Dubya's social security grab?

[louis c]

21. Nader Sucks

He is the sole reason we have had a Bush Administration.

You can rationalize all you want, but Nader is to blame for all our ills by siphoning off just enough votes to give us "Hitler".

Certainly, this was not Nader's intention, but even an idiot could see that in 2000, Bush's election was a possible, unintended consequence of Nader's candidacy.

I will never forgive nor forget Nader for putting his ego ahead of the good of the nation.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Nader Sucks.

[ProgressiveConn]

22. I blame Nader because he should have been working on electoral reform

from within the Democratic Party. I just don't think his tactics had any possibility of changing anything. =(

[Blue-Jay]

23. Complaining about nader-bashers?

That's weird. Did you just wake up from a coma?

[rocktop15]

24. Nader also wrote this GREAT piece recently

Dear Friends: Since freedom and democracy are such a good thing, why not put it to the people of Iraq – in a national referendum – whether or not they want us to leave? Why not give the Iraqi people the right to exercise their “democracy” and vote whether or not they want “freedom” from our military and corporate occupation? Why not? Because eighty percent of Iraqis want us out. So do a majority of Americans. Why? Because the occupation of Iraq is not about freedom and democracy. It is about oil and military occupation.

More and more Americans know the nature of the disaster that the Bush government, in our name, has created in oil-rich Iraq – over 100,000 Iraqi civilian lives lost (according to the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health), over 1,400 American lives lost, and thousands more seriously wounded and sick. People see the news stories describing the U.S. corporate takeover of Iraq through insider-deal corporate contractors with Bush administration donors.

Through the Democracy Rising Peace Project we will help ignite the American people to say – Bring the troops home, it is time for a responsible and rapid withdrawal from Iraq. Enough lives lost, enough billions spent – it is time to leave Iraq to the Iraqis.

The case against the war and occupation of Iraq, and the corporate takeover of our democracy is well documented. People want to know – what are we to do?

Now is the time to act. It is time to organize to end the illegal war and occupation of Iraq.

The U.S. corporate and military forces will end up pulling out of Iraq. The question is – when? Months? Years? Decades? After how many more preventable deaths, debilitating injuries and diseases? After how much destruction?

That's up to us. Together we can end the occupation and bring the troops home safely.

Sincerely,
Ralph Nader


http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10504&l=i&size=1&hd=0

[iconoclastic cat]

25. Who's that again?

:shrug: