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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:47 PM
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Gas Prices Are Artificially Low in the U.S.
The Real Price of Gas is at least $5 per gallon - A report by the CTA:

This report by the International Center for Technology Assessment (CTA) identifies and quantifies the many external costs of using motor vehicles and the internal combustion engine that are not reflected in the retail price Americans pay for gasoline. These are costs that consumers pay indirectly by way of increased taxes, insurance costs, and retail prices in other sectors.

The report divides the external costs of gasoline usage into five primary areas: (1) Tax Subsidization of the Oil Industry; (2) Government Program Subsidies; (3) Protection Costs Involved in Oil Shipment and Motor Vehicle Services; (4) Environmental, Health, and Social Costs of Gasoline Usage; and (5) Other Important Externalities of Motor Vehicle Use. Together, these external costs total $558.7 billion to $1.69 trillion per year, which, when added to the retail price of gasoline, result in a per gallon price of $5.60 to $15.14.

TAX SUBSIDIES - $9.1 to $17.8 billion.

The federal government provides the oil industry with numerous tax breaks designed to ensure that domestic companies can compete with international producers and that gasoline remains cheap for American consumers. Federal tax breaks that directly benefit oil companies include: the Percentage Depletion Allowance (a subsidy of $784 million to $1 billion per year), the Nonconventional Fuel Production Credit ($769 to $900 million), immediate expensing of exploration and development costs ($200 to $255 million), the Enhanced Oil Recovery Credit ($26.3 to $100 million), foreign tax credits ($1.11 to $3.4 billion), foreign income deferrals ($183 to $318 million), and accelerated depreciation allowances ($1.0 to $4.5 billion).

Tax subsidies do not end at the federal level. The fact that most state income taxes are based on oil firms' deflated federal tax bill results in undertaxation of $125 to $323 million per year. Many states also impose fuel taxes that are lower than regular sales taxes, amounting to a subsidy of $4.8 billion per year to gasoline retailers and users. New rules under the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 are likely to provide the petroleum industry with additional tax subsidies of $2.07 billion per year. In total, annual tax breaks that support gasoline production and use amount to $9.1 to $17.8 billion.

http://www.distributiondrive.com/Article4.html
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:48 PM
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1. Have you seen
this guy plugging his book, "The Bottomless Well" all about how we have tons of oil, we just need to drill for it?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:57 PM
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2. Abiotic Oil Myth Debunked
No Free Lunch, Part 1 - A Critique of Thomas Gold's Claims for Abiotic Oil
by Jean Laherrere
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102104_no_free_pt1.shtml

No Free Lunch, Part 2 - If abiotic oil exists, where is it?
by Dale Allen Pfeiffer
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011205_no_free_pt2.shtml

No Free Lunch, Part 3 - Proof
by Ugo Bardi & Dale Allen Pfeiffer
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012805_no_free_pt3.shtml

See this DU thread for more:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x112724#112740
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:58 PM
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3. No
What is his name? I'd say we are 5 million wells into the drilling thing and running out. And of course the Oil cos. are drilling in some wild ass places trying to scrape the last oily profits out of the earth.

Our gas prices here in States are obscenely low and if we take into account all the processes and consequences we are looking at between 8-15 dollars a gallon. Thank g-d for those tax breaks and subsisidies. Know where a lowly citizen can get one?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:58 PM
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4. Energy Flows In The US Economy - Oil And Otherwise - For Perspective


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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:00 PM
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6. The chart-the chart-run from the chart
:toast:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:03 PM
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7. I Am Purposefully Posting It On Energy Threads For Wide Exposure
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 10:04 PM by mhr
Many folks only have time for one or two threads as opposed to us "hardcore" DUers.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:06 PM
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9. It says alot
and I'm not a big fan of charts.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:35 PM
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11. That's interesting.
Very enlightening. Thanks for sharing it.

Does that "lost energy" consist mostly of heat loss and mechanical in-efficiency, or is SUV use factored in?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:29 PM
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14. It Reflects Systemic Losses - Heat, Transmission, Leakages
The chart does not address efficiency improvements that could be had by eliminating SUVs.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:59 PM
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5. Disagree completely
The percentage of corporate taxes to all taxes collected is down considerably since the 1960s and these subsidies serve only to increase after tax profits.

Look at the profits of Exxon-Mobil last year of- http://tinyurl.com/3wff6 - For the fiscal year ended 12/31/04, revenues rose 21% to $298.04 billion. Net income before acct. change rose 21% to $25.33 billion. Results reflect production from new fields and an increase in gross margin.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:03 PM
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8. Tax cuts and subsidies
are the divine right of the corpus. Add in some fancy accounting relating to earnings and assorted claims and you got big billions. The Shell Game.

If all the real costs of getting to the oil -processing-environmental damage etc. were taken into effect we would pay 8-15 dollars a gallon.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:33 PM
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10. Wages are artificially low in the US, too.
Fix one, you'll have to fix the other.

Fix oil prices and leave wages alone, you might have a revolution on your hands once the Sheeple can't afford to watch "Murkan Eye-DULL" anymore.

Fix wages and not oil prices, and you'll have the seegar-chomping "Pioneer" fat-cats screaming...
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:39 PM
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12. Rent artificially high
Anyone know where I can get one of those jazzy zero percent loans that the avaricious mega rent seekers (I mean Imean developers) always seem to get.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:45 PM
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13. Really!
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 10:45 PM by BiggJawn
I pay $425 a month out in the sticks for what folks in-town (close to everything) pay at LEAST $725 for.

It's even worse in big Metropolitan areas. I don't think you could touch my little 2-bedroom flat for less than $1500 in LA.
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