There is a Tragedy happening...Lets show the Best Side of DU

[DearAbby]

I can understand the elated feeling of the GOP imploding, but lets remember there is someone dying, needed to go for the last 15yrs. The Case is about dying with dignity. Lets not add to the circus, by making crass jokes about this situation.

Let's show respect for Terri Schiavo, and at least on DU, allow her the dignity that is hers. Allow her to go in Peace, without a DU Circus.

"Just the facts ma'am."

[bo44]

1. OK

Could not agree more with your thoughts.

[wtmusic]

2. Amen

:thumbsup:

[Booster]

3. I tend to agree with you. This is no time for jokes or gloating.

This was a beautiful girl lost way too early, and I can't honestly say if I were in her parents shoes, I might feel the same as they do. I would hope I would be brave enough and strong enough to let her go, but with people who should know telling them it's possible for her to recover, I'm just not sure what I would do. Go in peace, Terri.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. I with ya.

I hope she slips away peacefully. She's suffered too long.

[LuminousX]

5. Strongly Agree

Schiavos and Schindlers are going through a personal tragedy and there is not reason to disparage or demean anyone. All contempt needs to be focused on congressmen who chose to be foolish in light of a personal tragedy.

[Walt Starr]

6. All I've seen on DU since this circus began has been respect for

Mrs. shiavo, her wishes, and her husband.

[ewagner]

11. Same here

I've seen respect mostly with only a few exceptions.

Hope it stays that way!

[Cocoa]

18. me too

I actually saw one poster delete his crass joke. Not deleted by the mods, deleted by himself, I assume other DUers contacted him or else he rethunk the joke. (and the joke wasn't too bad.)

[deek]

51. ha

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[bpilgrim]

55. not according to this M$MW observer...

Peggy "Nooner" gives a DU shout-out in latest screed!

Everyone who has written in defense of Mrs. Schiavo's right to live has received e-mail blasts full of attacks that appear to have been dictated by the unstable and typed by the unhinged. On Democratic Underground they crowed about having "kicked the sh-- out of the fascists." On Tuesday James Carville's face was swept with a sneer so convulsive you could see his gums as he damned the Republicans trying to help Mrs. Schiavo. It would have seemed demonic if he weren't a buffoon.

more bs here...
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006460

discuss here on DU - courtesy of bicentennial_baby

she even outright LIES in the piece :puke:


http://images.globalfreepress.com

peace

[landeaugriffin]

7. Yes it's too bad

that this could not have stayed a private matter for the family. Such is the United States at times I guess. Certainly not a laughing matter.

[Beaverhausen]

10. I agree- and welcome to DU, landeaugriffin

:hi:

[jackster]

8. today as I heard what I think were Frist's remarks

about this being a sad day I cried out - we're all sad, every American. But can't we be sad when ANY American dies?

[jdots]

9. not even one joke ? but Mom..........

look we have a bunch of facists using the world and God's name to put down anything with a brain,if we don't do some tasteless snappy patter we might go bonkers or more bonkers.

[seabeyond]

27. you are funny

especially the but mommmmmmmmmm. i hear that all day long. did a little laugh

ok

you had your one joke, now buck up

teasing

[seabeyond]

28. having faith that i do, i know terri is just fine

in the hands of god. nothing is needed. all is there. and i hope the family will be able to have faith too. adn all the many people that have used god in this, will have faith

[patrice]

12. I feel so sorry for Terri's parents.

Having been there once myself, I remember how, even as everything was spiraling out of control, just being with my husband, regardless of his condition, was like food to the starving for me. When I was away from him, I was in agony; every time I walked back into his hospital room, I felt tremendous relief that he was there. Even if we couldn't have a cure, even if we couldn't have our life back again the way it was, even when he ceased to respond to us, just being with him was everything to me.

To have all of this stuff swirling around their situation makes an impossibly hard experience much worse.

[Texasgal]

13. Agreed.

Thank you for posting this. This is really a tragedy any way you look at it.

I am happy that Terry will finally find peace.

[Just Me]

14. I separate my prayers for Terri's peaceful passing from my disgust,...

,...at all those who are exercising repugnant opportunism from her circumstances.

Actually, my respect for Terri leads to my disgust of opportunists. She'll finally be free from such abuse of her life and death.

[sendero]

15. I agree...

... this is a tragedy for the family and friends of Ms. Shiavo. The GOP are making it worse, and trying to exploit it - but that is their fault and nobody else's.

[Griffy]

16. I agree.. but watch what happens once she dies..

I think they are building up to make this about the judges.. and its those judges that wouldn't listen to the pleas of the parents (while continuing to run a smear campaign against the husband!) It is sad that these poor parents are being exploited for their heartfelt desire to have their daughter back! I hate these cold bastards (with extra special contempt for Delay and Frist) that just use these peoples pain and misfortune so blatantly as a political football!

I feel for the husband...

[ultraist]

17. I agree. Now is not the time for crass jokes

But, it's also a time to acknowledge that the Courts upheld Terri's rights and our civil liberties. 75+% of Americans agree with the Court's decision. That gives me some hope.

Thanks to Shiavo, his attorney, the ACLU, and the Courts, including Judge Greer's, the SOTUS, and the 11th District Court, the Bush bros have not taken absolute control over our government.

They reported that Terri is peaceful and calm. Finally, after 15 years, her wishes are being respected.

[kentuck]

19. It's not really a "Party" issue...

although it is a "political" issue. But there are many Democrats and Repubs on both sides of this very conflicted and vexing issue...

[ultraist]

21. The large majority of ALL Americans, support the Courts' decisions on this

[clem_c_rock]

20. Agreed, but while we're at it can we maybe talk about her a little less?

And while we are talking about tragedies, why don't we start talking about this one a bit more:

Chemical weapons, napalm used to melt Falluja into a pile of rubble.

If we're really a democracy, all of this is done in our name weather we like it or not.

Compared to this, calling Terri's "tragedy" does not even appear on my radar screen.

Sorry do be a dick.

[TahitiNut]

22. I think I'll focus my sympathies on this child and her parents ...

... not on someone who, for all intents and purposes, died 15 years ago after repeatedly eating and vomiting food that children elsewhere can't get, and not on parents who have become professional sympathy-sucks on the public stage.

These bad actors have climbed up on the public stage and I, for one, say "Boo! Hiss!" today. I offered my compassion 2 years ago. I offered my compassion 3 years ago. I offered my compassion 4 years ago. I offered my compassion 5 years ago. I offered my compassion 6 years ago. I offered my compassion 7 years ago. That's enough.

[BurtWorm]

24. Amen!

:toast:

[huskerlaw]

26. Very well said

I completely agree. I will also add that while I feel bad for the parents in that they will soon be losing their daughter, I refuse to feel bad about them enduring this circus. They were the ones that brought Jeb Bush into this in the first place, and then *, etc. They asked for the help, they got it...and everything that comes with it.

I will pay tribute to Terri Schiavo, but I will not mourn for someone who died 15 years ago. The one person who has my sympathies today is Michael. He has tried to do what was best for his wife and look where it got him. For shame.

[bpilgrim]

58. They shot her brother in the head and they shot her three times...

Diving Into falluja

To Hell and Back with
S.B. Documentary-Maker Mark Manning
story by Nick welsh • images by mark manning

...

Over the course of his interviews, Manning said he spoke with a mother who saw her son killed in front of her. He talked to a father who had lost his wife, brother, and daughters. “I talked to a 17-year-old girl who saw her father and mother shot by Marines,” said Manning. “She was hiding under the bed with her brother when her parents’ bodies dropped on the ground in front of her them... Her parents’ brains were on the floor. The girl and her brother stayed under the bed for three days, until the Marines came back, and this time they found her and her brother. They shot her brother in the head and they shot her three times, in the chest and the legs. When she told me about it,” said Manning, “I had to look down. I felt I was personally responsible. And she did too.”

more...
http://www.independent.com/cover/Cover956.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=114655&mesg_id=114655&page=">Disscuss here on DU - courtesy of reprehensor


http://images.globalfreepress.com

peace

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. I couldn't possibly agree more. n/t

[maveric]

25. The real "tragedy" occured 15 years ago. Now its just an Atrocity.

This is done thousands of times a year for patients like Terri Schiavo. Her brain died 15 years ago. That was the tragedy. This media circus fueled by the fascist/relgio/political machine is just an atrocity.

[DearAbby]

29. THis is the DU ...I LOVE...you guys are the greatest!

I feel so badly for everyone, the parents in their desparation had asked the wrong people to help them...those with an agenda, and not above using this situation for their own gain.

I understand and feel badly for those involved. But it is long time coming for Terri to be finally at Rest. May she go in peace.

[maveric]

31. Amen

When politics and religion comingle its POISON!
Go ahead with the flames!

[deadparrot]

30. Totally agree.

Death is a part of life. IMO, It isn't necessarily her death that is sad here (what made Terri Schiavo Terri Schiavo has been dead since 1990). Obviously, no one wants to see someone else die, but it is something everyone must go through. It seems like this woman is finally going towards peace. It's the politics that are being played by her life--these dickwad politicians who are trying to take advantage of this shell of a woman and her family. It is truly sad.

May Terri Schiavo rest in peace, and may these lunatics be shown for what they really are.

[cry baby]

32. In another forum, I saw some gloating and telling the parents that

they lost, get over it. I posted that I would hopw that there would be no gloating. I hope I don't get flamed over there, cause I'd like to see DU take the high road and not further politicize this tragedy.

[Bunny]

34. You're being disingenuous.

That thread was addressed to the freepers, fundies and right wing whackos who have had their way with this country for 4+ years now. Being drunk with power, they tried to pull a HUGE fast one, and they got their asses handed to them.

THEY were the ones being told to get over it, not the parents.

[cry baby]

35. I don't know what thread you are talking about...

I am talking about this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1339027

Read through and find for yourself that some in that thread aren't showing any sympathy for the family (meaning parents, hubby, and friends). I just think it looks bad for DU.

Disingenuous? ouch

[Bunny]

36. That's not the thread I was referring to.

Sorry about that - I stand corrected.

[cry baby]

43. It's ok...

I have been just slightly blasted on the other thread. Maybe I just haven't expressed myself well, but I cannot understand the lack of empathy that a few (and I mean a very few) have for these grieving parents. My heart is breaking for them and I guess that I thought that all left-wing people would have that same empathy, taking into account their politics.

Blasted or not, I say what I feel - as most on DU. It's certainly a place to have these kinds conversations and explore humanity, isn't it?:hi:

[DearAbby]

44. I understand how you feel...They too are pawns, being played for this

horrible agenda. I feel badly for them all, this should have remained a private family issue.

I am a parent myself, I can understand. They are grasping at any hope. and it is wrong of those to offer false hope, to further their own goals.

[Bunny]

45. Yes, it is a great place to explore humanity.

I think that most folks feel (or felt) empathy for the parents. I have two kids, so I can only imagine their agony right now. I do have some pretty negative feelings about their actions, especially lately, but there isn't much doubt that they are suffering today.

Again, my apologies for misjudging you. :hi:

[cry baby]

47. It's ok, there have been some pretty freepy threads for sure!

I don't blame you for being suspicious, the BS detector has to be on in a consistant way these days.

I've read many of your posts and can tell you heart is big. Glad you're an active part of DU!:pals:

[Catherine Vincent]

33. The DU has class. You need not worry.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

37. agreed, kick!

[DearAbby]

38. Geeze, you would think the lawyers would say,,,We tried, now is the time

to be with your daughter with what time there is left...it just shows how they are playing these people to their own gain. Sad situation

[WLKjr]

39. I am for letting her have her dignity back. Big Kick!

Who in thier right mind would want to lay around for 15 years pissing themselves day in and day out, while not even being able to do anything about it?


I know I wouldn't, and I would be pissed if an asshole fundie like frist would try to keep me alive. That goes for some dems too that are going along with this cluster fuck.

[rniel]

40. Yes show respect but

Honestly this really affects the families involved and it's nobody else's business.

We didn't ask that this be pasted all over the news night and day 24/7. The media makes me sick. I need to move to a deserted island with no t.v. and be happy.

[DearAbby]

41. The media? Dont get me started, they are showing themselves the Whores

that they are, spreading outright LIES and slander against Michael Schiavo, with the truth out there, they dont bother to research or dont want too...The media is trash and the American public should be able to see it.

Now the next Question, do they?

[BiggJawn]

42. Celebrate her final Victory.

She told her husband YEARS ago how she wanted to go.

Her parents, at first well-intentioned (as was her husband, taking her to California for that experimental treatment I read about)are now just puppets of people with dark agendas that don't really have a thing to do with Terri. They pump the Schindlers full of false hope and faerie tales and have most likely bancrupted them for their evil purposes. and they got a United States President and the majority of Congress to go along with their scheme, but the cooler heads of the Judicial Branch carried the day.

Checks and Balances is STILL operational!

No, Terri is having the last laugh. Smooth sailing to whatever is where you're going, lady!

[johnaries]

46. Agree. And also remember that although her parents and her husband

are fighting over this, they are all in a great deal of pain. Let's have some respect and sympathy for the living, as well.

[regnaD kciN]

49. Exactly...

I especially have in mind what her parents are going through. If you look at it objectively, what's really been happening here is that they're in a form of denial. As long as she's breathing, they don't have to face the fact that, in human terms, their daughter "died" fifteen years ago. And is that so surprising? Although I'm a strong believer in "death with dignity" and not wanting to be kept alive artificially, I am sure that if this happened to one of my children, my immediate emotion would be for keeping her going and praying for a miracle.

I suspect her parents, deep down, are doing the same -- hoping that, somehow, she will miraculously wake up and return to normal. In a few days, they will have to finally face the fact that it's over, and that such a miracle can never occur. Their mourning process, blocked out for fifteen years, will finally have to be confronted, and I suspect it will be excruciatingly hard for them -- especially since it will likely be mingled with (unreasonable, IMHO) guilt that they "failed to save her life." It's not their fault that they became pawns in a game played by the right, who only cared for Terri Schiavo or any of the rest of them because of their propaganda value.

[Catchawave]

48. To Terri...

:toast:

[DeepModem Mom]

50. Thank you. nt

[Telly Savalas]

52. Ah shit. From the title of thread I thought you were talking about Darfur

But I guess one Floridian is more important than thousands of Sudanese.

[bpilgrim]

57. thats what makes DU so great

thanks for pointing that out :toast:

but even when it's just another turd-blossom we leave no kernel unturned ;->

peace

[John BigBootay]

53. Let's even show respect for the freepers and fundies--

who are wrong and misguided, but believe that they are doing the right thing by trying to keep this poor woman alive.

I hope we can all appreciate one another's point of view.

[H2O Man]

54. If we believe in

death with dignity, than we should act in a dignified manner.

[Flammable Materials]

56. A tragedy happening? Or a blessed release on the way?

I'm not a religious person, but I believe that, if there's a heaven, the express shuttle is waiting patiently for her.

[DearAbby]

62. The tragedy is for those left behind. Terri it will be a long awaited

release. But if we believe in dying with dignity, that a person has a right to detirmine his/her own destiny. How one leaves this world. It is a very personal and private matter.

This circus is only going to get worse. We dont need to add to it.

[VOX]

59. Let her pass peacefully, quietly and with dignity.

That has been the position of Democrats and progressives throughout this surreal sideshow. May this poor woman finally, mercifully, and at long last be at peace.

Thanks, DearAbby, for posting this.

[DearAbby]

61. To Terri....Go in Peace

The storm rages around her, and thankfully she is unaware. Just waiting to finish her journey..Go In Peace.

[BuyingThyme]

60. I agree and disagree (I think).

I don't take a position on Terri's issue. I think it's a private and personal matter, and I have no idea why DUers would even want to take sides.

But, as far as DeLay and Bush, etc. go, I say pile on. I don't find it difficult to separate the circus from the tragedy.