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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:08 AM
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If “Values Voters” turned the 2004 Election, Where Are They?
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 08:27 AM by Junkdrawer
No, Bush didn't steal the last Election. Why, it was that genius Karl Rove who reached out to this country’s emerging Fundamentalist Majority. Why, I heard numbers like 45% of the electorate were in agreement of Bush’s Fundamentalist Agenda. So I ask:

Where Are They?

From the Daily Kos:

It's not pretty for the GOP.
CBS News. 3/21-22. MoE 4%. (February results)

Congress Job Approval
Approve 34 (41)
Disapprove 49 (44)

Bush Approval Ratings

Approve 43 (49)

Should Congress and the President be involved in the Schiavo matter?

Yes 13
No 82


This is turning into a disaster of epic proportions for the GOP. They thought they had the Dems wedged, and instead they have wedged themselves from the American public. Congress is being exposed as the cynical, power-mad, ethics-free zone that it has become under DeLay's leadership.
Read the poll. It has nothing but bad news for Republicans. And don't miss Bush's numbers on Iraq - his approval ratings in the war are down six points in the last month - from 45 percent to 39 percent.

Update: The party breakdown for this poll is:

Republican 44
Democrat 29
Independent 28
If the poll represented the actual partisan breakdown of the US public, the numbers would be far, far worse.



http://www.dailykos.com
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:09 AM
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1. "values" is just propaganda.....look at bush at the mayhem and lies
from his behavior from Iraq alone...it's BS
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:12 AM
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2. That was part of the fix.....Thats when the media unabashedly...
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 08:13 AM by Robeson
...exposed themselves as part of the fix.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:26 AM
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4. Yeah, that was my conclusion...
I was screaming it at the TV at the time....
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:13 AM
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3. values=vague
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:30 AM
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5. Ah...yes. The values vote.
These same polls also showed Kerry winning Ohio and Florida. Can't have it both ways.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:14 AM
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8. Myself, I think Kerry won by a far greater number than we imagine...
I think the turnout was so large it overwhelmed the "pre-fixed" exit polls and that sloppy, last minute fixes were used to put idiot son over the top.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:46 AM
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6. Bush campaigned on being "FOR values" not "having correct values"
After all, whose against having values? Or having morals?

It doesn't come until later that people realize that Bush had *different values* than the rest of us.

I am reminded about something Bob Dole said about Newt Gingrinch. Bob said Newt is for new ideas: Newt doesn't have any, but he is all for them.

Values are the same way. People are for values, just as they are for principled, consistent thought out positions. So is Bush. He just doesn't have any.

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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:04 AM
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7. Hopefully they are all in IRAQ now...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:39 AM
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9. .
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:49 AM
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10. I think you also have to look at what percentage of the overall pop voted
From what I heard, less than half of those eligible to vote actually made the effort. So, if you do the math, Bush* was claiming a mandate on less than 25% of the available voters (if you believe the election outcome).

Now, when you compare those figures with other ones showing the religious breakdowns of citizens (70+ percent 'Christian'), it isn't difficult to see that many so-called "moral values" voters also pulled the lever for Kerry-Edwards.

The corporate media has latched onto the "moral values" voters, but they've missed the boat. What we have in this nation are two (if not more) groups of "moral values" voters:

Group A -- fears homosexual marriage and is vehemently anti-woman (this is the group corporate media has chosen to cater to)

Group B -- fears the violence of war and is vehemently anti-poverty (This is the group corporate media has chosen to ignore)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:57 PM
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11. So...now they're saying 2 of 3 "Evangelicals" think that Congress...
and the President should stay out of the Schiavo case.

Say what?

Why do I think the these "evangelicals" are Karl Rove's imaginary little friends? Or, as my 11 yr. old says, maybe we could start a new cartoon strip: "Karl and Hobbes."
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