WTF? NY Times wants "fairest portrait" of school shooter?

[LoganW]

I paid a visit to the forum that school shooter posted at. There is a post by someone from the NY Times that says

"Did anyone on this forum have any direct personal contact with Jeff Weise, who posted as Todesengel and NativeNazi? If you have any private email messages from him saved, or knew him directly, we would love to hear more about him so we can present the fullest, fairest portrait possible in The New York Times...please get in touch, [e-mail]. Thanks! "

[mzmolly]

1. Why not want a fair portrayal? The only way we can prevent these things

is to take an honest look.

Should they ask for an "unfair" or "biased" portrait?

[NYC Liberal]

3. Maybe just a plain one instead of him, say, decked out in Nazi garb

or something.

[mzmolly]

9. I read every post on the "Nazi" site. The kid was intelligent though

apparently misguided. He didn't sound violent, just discouraged that his people are losing their heritage. He asked if he was welcome as a Native American, and they said anyone of any race was "welcome."

:eyes:

He posted 34 posts last year on the site in question, so I doubt you'll find him in a Nazi uniform anywhere?

Frankly Free Republic seemed full of as much hate as the nazi.org site.

He was 15 when he visited the nazi.org site, and was looking to fit in somewhere. It's sad all around.

I think it's a shame that he was take with the Nazi movement for whatever reason, but most of these people feel that Hitler was "lied about" and was just a bad spokes person for the "cause." He didn't admire Hitler as an exterminator as he didn't believe what was said about him ... the kid was brainwashed.

[LoganW]

16. The issue is where the NY times gets information from

"Frankly Free Republic seemed full of as much hate at the site in question"

*seemed* is the key word. As you note, the kid didn't *seem* like a killer. Nazi's aren't exactly the kindest people in the world. I'd bet money half those people on that site would kill if they could get away with it.

In any case, Nazis are not credible sources for a "fair" portrait of anything.

"most of these people feel that Hitler was "lied about""

And that's exactly why.

[mzmolly]

21. Regardless, the reporter who wanted information wants a fair portrayal

of Jeff Weise. There is nothing wrong with painting a fair picture of this kid.

In order to get information from the facists at nazi.com the reporter has to be careful would you agree?

[LoganW]

26. He shouldn't be getting information from them at all

[mzmolly]

29. I guess it's a she. And, we wouldn't know that much about many issues

if reporters didn't infiltrate organizations they abhore at times.

Take Watergate for instance?

I do understand your point, but you did not make it clear initially.

[LoganW]

4. You're right

clearly the neo-nazi murderer deserves a fair nice little portrait presented.

[mzmolly]

14. Where did the dude say "nice" portrait he said "fair" portrait.

This was a child who's father killed himself 4 years ago, and who's mother is in a nursing home with severe brain damage after a near fatal wreck. He was also taking medication for depression, which has been known to cause people to "freak" completely.

But, if you can take 30 posts on a website and turn him into Hitler, by all means do.

I prefer to figure out WHY this child turned into a monster and learn from it.

[LoganW]

19. You still don't get it

You do NOT get information from nazi's and assume that information to be "fair". If you asked half those people they'd tell you hitler was a great guy, and there is just a big conspiracy against him. Clearly they are all about truth and fairness.

[mzmolly]

22. YOU still don't get it. Your OP did not mention your issue with the

website. You didn't mention it until you became desperate.

You have to get INFORMATION before you can present ANY portrait.

[LoganW]

25. I thought it should be obvious

do you want me to point out the sky is blue?

"You have to get INFORMATION before you can present ANY portrait."

NO portrait is better than ANY portrait drawn based on information from nazi's. Obviously you need to go review some WW2 history.

[mzmolly]

28. I am plenty familiar with WW2. Jeff Weise WAS NOT. If you read his posts

you'd likely know that.

Jeff Weise was a "Nazi's in denial" as many of these fools are. They don't believe Hitler committed the crimes that we know he did.

There is an old saying "consider the source" I am certain any credible reporter will do so. But, first you must have a SOURCE.

As I said, she can't go in and call these people lunatics, she has to play nice.

[LoganW]

30. There are plenty of RELIABLE sources available

you make it sound like these freaks are the only ones who know anything about the matter.

I can name several off hand right now. Teachers, students, FBI, local law enforcement, family. There's a ton of information right there. Apparently this reporter feels nazi's are better sources though.

"As I said, she can't go in and call these people lunatics, she has to play nice"

You make it sound like it's somehow very important she get info from them. Perhaps she can consult the KKK for fair info about a cross burning on her next story.

"They don't believe Hitler committed the crimes that we know he did"

It's called propaganda, and apparently you obviously know nothing about modern nazi versions of it. Their scheme currently is one of these - "Oh hitler wasn't so bad" OR "Oh hitler was just misunderstood" OR "Oh we honestly believe he didn't do anything wrong, trust us". Consult any Nazi group and 9 out of 10 times that's what they'll tell you.

It's sad you've been taken in by their BS.

BTW, please PM me for info about a bridge I have for sale.

[mzmolly]

31. Of for gosh sakes, your really playing this up aren't you?

I've not been taken by anyone, but it's an interesting strawman.

And, yes ... I am familiar with propaganda, and WW2, as I've said. In fact, I've personally known many people who were in concentration camps and bore the numerical tatoos of Nazi Germany.

However, the reporter did not say anything as outrageous as you are painting this matter out to be. She said "full and fair" portrait. Perhaps the "full" part is what she was gathering from these fools?

She did not say "you people seem fair and reasonable" she said she wanted to paint a full/fair portrait of Jeff Weise.

If your offended, so be it. I have bigger fish to fry.

[thebigidea]

2. yeah, obviously they should go for an unfair portrait

wilgoren is a piece of trash, but isn't this a case of - uh, a journalist doing journalism?

[Just Me]

5. Um. So, you are objecting to exploring the whole picture?

:shrug:

[LoganW]

7. Somehow I doubt

a portrait drawn from facts obtained at Nazi.org is going to be the "whole picture".

[Just Me]

8. DOH!!!! How's about exploring the kid, his environment, and the

influence of an obnoxious neo-nazi org on vulnerable citizens.

Why the hell would you oppose such an exploration?

DOH!!!!

[LoganW]

12. You don't seem to grasp the idea of decent sources

This is like the NY Times asking nazi.org members to provide information on the holocaust so that a "fair" story can be presented. News flash - you aren't going to get a "fair" anything from that source.

[mzmolly]

15. My guess is that site is not the only source of information. In order for

a reporter to get info, you can't go in slamming the members of the website.

[B. P. R. D.]

6. I See The Irony.

Asking for the fairest portrait at a Nazi site.

[Just Me]

10. It asks for direct personal contact with the kid,...not the site.

Doesn't the solicitation ask for direct info about the kid?

DOH!!!

[B. P. R. D.]

11. Key Word Is Fair.

As in light skin.

[LoganW]

13. So you consider Nazis to be credible sources?

The people with the most wonderful reputation of free and un-tainted press. Surely they will be wonderful sources for fair and unbiased information.

[mzmolly]

17. They are sources. The reporter wants information. You get more fly's

with "honey" as they say.

A reporters not gonna go in and say "listen up you twisted freaks, send me information on member XYZ."

[LoganW]

20. I agree

but the reporter makes it sound like one of the nazis isn't getting a fair deal. He probably called rove for "fair" information about democrats right after he made that post.

[mzmolly]

24. I am not familiar with this reporter. But my guess is he's playing these

fools.

[Fescue4u]

18. pyschopathic destroyer of lives and families

nuff said.

[AP]

23. Jodi W. is very sympathetic when it comes to the fascits. She always gets

the assignments that require the tender approach to fascism because she's very good at being gentle with them.

[Just Me]

27. Really. Fascinating observation. I'll take it under advisement.

Seriously.

[applegrove]

32. So that we as a society can make the best decisions on how to

avoid a similar tragedy. Good information before gossip. I am sure the NYTimes is much tighter on stories since the scandal of two years ago. I hear the whole community is in lock-down so I think it is hard for any reporter to get an accurate picture. No point in printing anything else.