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butchcjg Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:37 PM
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Is the GOP imploding??
Maybe THIS is finally the issue that will cause the GOP to implode?

We've known for a *long* time that they have no respect for the law, the constitution, etc.

I really hope they show their true colors and go hijack Terri Schiavo's body....let their true colors show and let them pay for it!
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:39 PM
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1. I'm sure glad to sit back and watch them implode.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:40 PM
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2. yup...(nt)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:42 PM
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3. One can only hope
A lot of people are freakin out over this and it's turning people away from the party who are real republicans. So maybe this is the turning point. I've hoped before but who knows. Before the election I had this feeling that something HUGE will bring Bush down and obviously it'd have to be something that people all over the country will have to be against. Real republicans believe that the government should be kept out of situations like this and Jeb Bush, Tom DeLay, Bill Frist and the other republicans in the spotlight about this are shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe this situation is letting people have the real look at the GOP people and they don't feel comfortable about it. If we use this issue, SS and Bush's budget cut plans maybe we can have a chance in 2006 to win more seats in Congress and the Senate and then we can impeach the whole Bush administration.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:49 PM
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7. We need to politely step away from this issue--that's all there is
to it. A simple statement along the lines of "Government doesn't belong in this" is pretty much all it takes, then focus the issue on something they SHOULD be doing.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:57 PM
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15. I've said this for a while
With radical groups trying to force the party further to the right, the GOP as we know it may not exist much longer. It will soon be considered extremist by the majority. Sure, they'll still have a strong (read: fanatical, loony, suicidal) base, and may even become as dangerous as fanatical Muslim groups are now. They are already threatening judges.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:42 PM
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4. May be too early to say, but the GOP has been very baffeling
to say the least. Maybe this is the beginning of the war within the party that Pat Buchanan was forecasting last fall. If the conservative wing of the GOP was not seething already, it well may be NOW. This ideological/theocratic takeover is not progerssing as smoothly as Delay would like. I doubt if there was a Jesus, he would have sanctioned the fundie neocons.

and they have only themselves to blame. This is Karma. Pure and simple.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:47 PM
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5. I see a split of traditional Republicans from the party over this issue.
Can you imagine Barry Goldwater tackling this issue? Neither can I.

It's going to make the traditional, less government cons think twice about their support for Commander Bunnypants, especially in light of the '06 elections.

This could be the undoing of the TheoCons if our Democrats play the ball right--which means pretty much staying out of it and when responding to the press merely mentioning that "this isn't our role as legislators."

I'm making popcorn; who'd bringing cold soft drinks?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:03 AM
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26. Rush was dissing traditional Republican Conservatives today
saying they're afraid of what people might think of them. Scared of being called hypocrites. So they side with state rights, and small government and individual rights. Riiiiight.

Rush, on the other hand, calls himself a "Constitutional" Conservative. Uh huh.

I wonder how many of his listeners he insulted.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:48 PM
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6. They sure are showing themselves to be friggin nuts!
I mean who put the inmates in charge of the asylum?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:51 PM
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9. The same ones who sold out the Republican Party.
This is going to cause a giant, painful rift, I suspect--just in time for the '06 elections.

Let them eat each other--the Dems should sit back and watch.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:50 PM
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8. I hope so.........
but it's not just Schiavo. There is proof that bin Laden WAS at Tora Bora, after Bush and Cheney denied it was true.:bounce:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:51 PM
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10. I think this is what's going to bring them down, this and
linking them as complicit in the attack on the WTC on 9-11.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:52 PM
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11. No
Anthrax, Ossama, WMDs, Social Security, The Surplus, Jobs, Price of Gas, and a host of other mistakes that seriously affected the people have done little to dislodge them.

The GOP can make any mistake it wants to. It can explore all sorts of ways to increase their hold on America. And as long as the media does not turn against them and they don't lose their mind and forget to force their message into the media they have nothing to worry about.

Until we do something about the media and their political propoganda machine they have little to worry about. How exactly do you suppose the left could use this issue to their advantage? Think the press is going to help them? Think a movement is going to start? All the structures and institutions that lend themself to such things side with them.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:59 PM
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17. Media is a huge problem, agreed, but: Kerry managed 48% of the vote
despite them. People are seeing through the SocSec BS despite the media, and they are pissed at Washington over theur meddling in the Schiavo case despite the media's whoring.

We need to tackle it, but with enough smarts, we can bring the whore media down with the Bushbots.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:03 PM
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20. Their hold is not perfect
But they are improving their hold while we continue to flounder for a tactic. We rely on strong charismatic middle to right leaning dems to win. This does not equal progress for us. It is just momentary halting of the march to the right at best and a slowing of it in most cases.

There is so much work our side must do to rebuild and all efforts are focused on playing by their rules. We need to reinvent. We need to take them off their game.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:06 PM
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21. True that. We still play by the rules of a Congress and President
who cared about the country, even though ideaologies and methods differed.

That is certainly no longer the case.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 03:14 AM
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27. agreed. They get away with humoungous shitpiles all the time...
another bigger distraction than Terri, coming to a theatre near you, very soon.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:52 PM
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12. They've got themselves in a very deep hole.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 07:53 PM by BullGooseLoony
If they don't sit down and shut up REAL quick, they are going to do SERIOUS damage to themselves.

They've already done quite a bit.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:55 PM
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13. Well, let's just sit back and let them.n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:56 PM
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14. Have some popcorn.
Put a little butter and salt on it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:01 PM
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18. I've got the low-cholesterol version popping.
I thank my chosen divine spirit for butter flavor Pam! :bounce:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:59 PM
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16. Well, geez,...they've been working both sides against the middle,...
,...for about thirty years,...just to sway their freakin' weight on behalf of their own butts!!!!

They are just being exposed as servants unto themselves on the backs of the rest of us.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:01 PM
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19. Let's see.....
Republicans stand for State's Rights.....no, not when they want to make a federal case out of it.

Republicans stand for limited government....but apparently want to expand their role in deciding complex life/death issues for 350MM Americans.

Republicans stand for family values....no, they seem to destroying this family's values.

Republicans stand up for braindead people, but don't care about millions who can't get health insurance.

Terri is just another symbol for Republicans and like their use of the American flag, something to exploit, soil and debase.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:10 PM
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22. Terri has become an "object", "something to exploit, soil and debase.
:cry:

It's true.

Terri has become an "object" for self-centered others to exploit.

How horribly, horrifyingly sad.

:cry:

The only ones fighting for Terri are her husband and the courts,...imposing the "rule of law" which prevents such crusades and vigilantes and power-mongering extremists.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 12:04 AM
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23. GOP are psychopaths and in perpetual motion. Imploding will just
be one more thing they find opportunity in. They don't care about imploding their party or yours or your government. Destroying the whole system is good. It means there will be more power for them in the years to come. You picks up the pieces if the government is too small, weak, sick, mixed up, paralyzed by religious legislation, etc.? Who gets power then? Corporations. And nothing but nothing exists in the world bigger than them (except for the UN and the World Bank..............ah?).

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 12:05 AM
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24. Only if the Democrats are willing to hit them with it
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 12:05 AM by deadparrot
over and over and over until November 2006 and beyond.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:58 AM
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25. No. The United States is ... (n/t)
Flem.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:24 PM
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28. I don't want them to go get Terri, but if you ask me
their true colors have been showing for years now for anybody that bothered to take a good look.....

:hi:
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