Terri Schiavo's parents don't even take CARE of her??

[shance]

Am I incorrect on what Ive read about this?

Why are so few mentioning this if it is in fact true?

The parents apparently returned Terri to her previous guardians' after taking care of her for three weeks. Three weeks???

Someone see the blatant contradiction here? If they don't even want to care for their own child, something makes no sense here.

They don't want to take care of her, but they are gunning for bear in the courts to make sure she lives, when she had SIGNED a LIVING WILL and gave her husband the authority to make the choice?

What are the parents real motivation here? Their actions certainly appears not to be matching their very vocal words.

[Nickster]

1. She had a signed living will? I haven't heard that one before. You sure?

[shance]

7. No, I dont know if she'd signed a will. I was told she had given her

husband the authority to take her off life support, which I assumed was enacted by signing a living will.

Can you clarify for me what his role as guardian is? Its apparent I don't have all the correct information.

[K-W]

14. My understanding is that the husband is the default guardian

as next of kin. It would require a living will or a court order to move the guardianship to someone else, and since there is no will and no court has seen reason to move the guardianship it remains the husband, as per our law and tradition.

The courts did at times appoint Gaurdian ad litems, to give the court an objective evaluation, but in the end it decided that the parents did not have a case against Michael.

[moobu2]

31. Soon after Terri's heart failure/cerebral death

The Schindlers signed over any claims they had to Michael in regards to guardianship. They actualy sign legal documents to that effect. I read it about 2 years ago and I know I cant find the article now but that's what was reported..

[Nickster]

16. Well, I'm by no means an expert but my understanding is that she mentioned

it to her husband and other family friends. They all testified in court, numerous times, and the courts were convinced that that was her wish. I would also imagine by law that they would look to your next of kin to make that decison, which would be the husband. I don't know if the guardian designation necessarily does anything as far as granting the right to remove life support. But the courts did side with the husband, so rule of law and all that, his decision is what should be adhered too. But I'm one of those silly ole rule of law guys.:-)

[LisaL]

19. No, she did not have a living will.

[moobu2]

32. It isn't necessary in Florida to have a "written living will"

to have your wishes honored.

On the other hand, the Schindlers said in deposition that they would honor Terri's wishes even if she had told them herself she wouldnt want this..

[proud patriot]

2. According to Randi Rhodes

they tried to care for her 15 years ago at the begining
of this . They couldn't do it and returned her to hospice
after 1 week of the whole family living together to care for
her.

[daydreamer]

3. They don't pay for her care either

Taxpayers pay as I understand.

[K-W]

15. I thought the money comes from a malpractice settlement.

The kind the republicans would like to eradicate.

[LisaL]

22. That money is almost gone.

A lot of it was spend on legal fees and lawyers by her husband.

[ET Awful]

4. She hadn't signed a living will.

The courts determined that she didn't want to be sustained on tubes of any kind.

Her family are psychos.

[Hard Attack]

5. It is Total Bullshit

_
Terri is in the Hospital, not home.

I can't wait for Terri Shiavo's husbands lawyer to SUE EVERYONE WHO HAS SUGGESTED THAT HE IS THE REASON WHY SHE IS IN THE CONDITION that she is in.

This case has pissed me off big time, to the point where I am boycotting Florida as long as Jeb Bush in Governor.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1681281&mesg_id=1681281

[Just Me]

8. I hope he sues them, too!!

Although, I would certainly respect his decision.

But, seriously,...there are many people involved in this conspiracy to destroy an innocent man for political/religious/profiteering purposes that really should be punished for their incredibly malignant and egregious behavior!!!!

[shance]

10. Yes it is. And its also being fed by misinformation and omission of facts

If more people knew that the parents havent been active guardians for over fifteen years, I think there would be a different perspective on this.

The hypocrisy is amazing. Its a con job and its not even a good one.

[LisaL]

20. Her parents are not her guardians. Mr. Schiavo is her next of kin,

and her guardian, not the parents.

[shance]

23. Exactly, and that is who Terri requested make the decisions on her behalf

Not her parents.

[maveric]

6. The Schindlers and the fundies should take her in and care for her

for the remainder of her life.
Like Jesus might do? Ya know?

[XemaSab]

9. The word on the street

is that caring for someone in that condition is a full time, awful job.

She's in diapers, she needs to be turned regularly, it's just not something that people can do at home. They'd have to at least hire a full time nurse.

I think she's in a hospice.

But I wouldn't fault the parents for not being able to care for her themselves, whatever else they may be guilty of.

[shance]

12. I guess you are okay then for them asking others to do it, when Terri is

not even conscious?

Of course its a full time job. A job HER OWN PARENTS dont want to take on but they want others to and want to block up the courts with this dog and pony show. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqis and Americans are dead on Iraqi soil?

Do you see anything wrong with that?

Do you see how narcissistic and selfish their perspective is? Im not saying it's not understandable to be in denial, but at some point they need to grow up and be parents. Terri needs parents right now, but emotionally they seemed to have abandoned her years ago.

[XemaSab]

34. I don't know all the facts here

but I'm not clear on how putting her in hospice is dumping her on other people?

:shrug:

[Malva Zebrina]

11. they took her home anad at the time Michael was still living with them

and they attempted to care for her, 24/7. Michael did everything he could to learn how to care for her. He went to school and became a nurse. He took her for some treatment to California that did not work. He stayed with her there for months after the experimental surgery which implanted electrodes into her brain. He cared for her, and became a nuisance to the nurses in the facility by monitoring all that was being done.

Her parents apparently were unwilling to learn anything, which in my opinion, indicates their denial, and they decided it was too much for them. She was returned to the facility after only three weeks.

You know, it is real "icky" to be involved in all of those human conditions such as lack of bowel control and all of that.

It is one thing to be personally involved in cleaning up the messes, irrigating the catheter, suctioning and turning every two hours as well as bathing and awareness of, and recording, the condition of their own daughter as well as doing the laundry and all of the other menial chores involved. It was taking a toll on their lives apparently and they were NOT comfortable with that.

They would prefer to leave all that to others because, imo, it made it easier to live in their sad fantasy that their daughter, who died fifteen years ago, is actually, by all intents and purposes, dead and living only in the shell of a body that is "alive" and directed by the most primitive area of the brain. If they could "vist" her at their convenience and still be comfortable in their lives, they chose that instead of applying themselves vigorously to the care of their sick daughter.

I have a feeling that if they tried harder to care for her, they would have realized their delusions earlier as Michael did after being exposed to the condition while caring for others in the same condition as he studied to become a nurse.

[sonicx]

13. here's the info from the guardian report.

Theresa spent two and a half months as an inpatient at Humana Northside Hospital, eventually emerging from her coma state, but not recovering consciousness. On 12 May 1990, following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was discharged to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional, aggressive rehabilitation efforts. In September of 1990, she was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was returned to the College Park facility because the "family was overwhelmed by Terry's care needs."

http://jb-williams.com/ts-report-12-03.htm

[Nikia]

17. I suppose that they might feel guilty now

For not taking care of her at home like they evidently tried to do years ago. Caring for an extremely disabled person is difficult. We have a friend with a sister who was in an accident and left with many disabled. She is not as bad as Terri, but she has paralysis and is now severely retarded and some other health problems. They (mother, grandmother, our friend) all received medical training before taking her home. They ended up hiring a full time nurse as well. I really think that home is the best place for a stable person who has some awareness of their surroundings.
I've decided that I can't really know what is going on with Terri, her actual condition, her parents, and her husband, but it is too bad that their committment towards her wasn't as great then when they had the chance to let her be home as it is now with all the legal battles and such.

[shance]

18. I agree Nikia. You have such a sensible response to something that has

so distorted and twisted and abused really.

It's so wrong what these certain individuals in our Congress and in in Florida are doing to this woman and her husband.

[LisaL]

21. They took her home when Mr. Schiavo was living with them.

Mr. Schiavo is her guardian, and not the parents. They never were her guardians.

[shance]

24. No Lizzy, not her guardians, just her PARENTS. The ones who are

also calling for her to continue existing in the state she is currently in, but then conveniently become the guardians when the issue of care comes into play.

[LisaL]

26. They want to become her guardians. But they can't, because

her husband is considered her next of kin and her guardian. He was the one wanting to take care of her at home, if he had the money, or so he said during the malpractice trial.

[shance]

29. Lizzy, please provide some references with that.

They can say whatever they want, the facts reveal they gave up her care fifteen years ago and not because they were forced to.

[LisaL]

30. References for what? Her husband is her next of kin and her

guardian. If her parents were her guardians, we wouldn't be discussing this case today.
As for his testimony on wanting to bring her home, here is a link.

"Q. You're a young man. Your life is ahead of you. When you look up the road, what do you see for yourself?

SCHIAVO: I see myself hopefully finishing school and taking care of my wife.

Q. Where do you want to take care of your wife?

SCHIAVO: I want to bring her home.

Q. If you had the resources available to you, if you had the equipment and the people, would you do that?

SCHIAVO: Yes, I would, in a heartbeat."
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Z41UZVu-PTYJ:www.zimp.org/stuff/contradictions.htm+Michael+Schiavo+I+want+to+bring+her+home&hl=en

[ronnykmarshall]

25. How DARE you!!!!

You better watch your step. If Nancy Grace gets wind of this, YOU ARE TOAST!!

[mainer]

27. I almost wish Michael would LET them rescue her

Once she's out of the hospice, they institution can refuse to take her back. (And why wouldn't they? Who'd want to deal with this circus?) Then the family can take care of her themselves. Forever. Turning her ever few hours. Change her diapers. Feed her. Bathe her. Day after day after day. Let them!!!

[LisaL]

28. Oh please! They probably got so many donations on her care,

or would get so many donations on her care, any institution would take her in.

[moobu2]

33. The Schindlers (before Michael got his money) asked Michael to remove

Terri because Mrs. Schindler didn't feel comfortable having her in the house they all shared. Then the money came and Michael didnt give the Schindlers any and they attemted to sue him for half of the settlement..etc etc