Breaking - Jeb Bush News Conference -says new medical info (more BS)

[DesEtoiles]

Jeb on TV now saying that Adult Protective Services team have just given a review saying that Terri is "misdiagnosed".

She's in a state of minimal consciousness, they say, not a PVS.

Exhausting all executive options. He's doing all within his power to give Terri the same rights that criminals "who have convicted heinous crimes" have.

Urging Florida Senate to take up a bill.

Our "prayers and petitions" are working.

There are no justifications for violent acts <[for those fundies threatening violence against judge, presumably, etc.>]

[democrat in Tallahassee]

1. if she has the same rights as convicts in Florida, then it's all over

assholes. why don't we remove his tube?

[LisaM]

2. Great, now she can testify

on her own behalf. When will we be seeing that?

[DesEtoiles]

3. Why does this distinction matter? Either way Terri wouldn't want this

[DemBones DemBones]

69. Terri has told you personally what she wants???

:eyes:

[monobrau]

4. Dr. has NOT examined her!

This is beneath contempt. Excuse me while I vomit.

[xultar]

5. The Dr is a guy who stayed in Holiday Inn Express last night.

I'm in Tallahassee, I'll snoop around town to see if I can find out who the effin idiot is.

[DesEtoiles]

22. damn funny

[DesEtoiles]

27. Jeb says he WON'T take Terri into protective custody

[Terre]

41. ROFL!!

Dr. Cheshire, if you can believe it!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Cute, abuse of the system

abuse of power, how long until Floridians have enough of Jeff and the pukes?

[elehhhhna]

7. I hear she's going to host the Emmys.

[DesEtoiles]

8. More info - they "stood by her bedside"; NO phys. exam; less than 1 hr

[DesEtoiles]

11. Spokesperson could not/would not say when this "exam" took place

[janx]

67. Who did? The physician?

?

[City Lights]

9. This is beyond ridiculous.

STFU, count jebbula.

[Bouncy Ball]

10. This has moved WELL into the Land O' the Absurd.

Oh yes, she's minimally conscious. And I have antennae and purple skin. I'm also from Mars and can time travel. Did I mention I can make myself invisible and I can see sound waves?

Yep!

Seriously, neurologists ALL over the world must be just shaking their heads at the sheer ignorance being displayed about this woman.

*I* am and I never went to medical school.

Besides that, Ol' Jebby-Poo don't give a flying rat shit about Schiavo. This is ALL about laying down some vote gettin'.

[ultraist]

12. 11th Circuit Court denies to hear the case

Is that correct?

Jebbie is trumping the courts again. Violation of seperation of powers.

This is the THIRD report of abuse/neglect that they are making. The last time Adult Protective Services refused to investigate because they said it was a ploy.

[katsy]

13. Speaking of misdiagnosed...

Can some experts step up to take on other "misdiagnosed" issues affecting all Americans please...

Like: the economy, outsourcing, medicare, ss, education, voter's rights, the sanity of the pukes.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Even if they did that

people wouldn't listen to them who are already on the rights side about this issue. They'd make up some excuse about how they're not right etc.
How the other side has a "hidden agenda" and crap. Oh and those other issues you listed katsy (I agree) but the repukes would just say "conspericy theory." :eyes:

[katsy]

59. you're right...

maybe if they stick to the Schiavo case it would keep them from pfhucking up everything else.

[Terre]

14. This is just TOO INCREDIBLE!

I'm speechless, and OUTRAGED!

How, after all these years, and so MANY doctors, could she possibly be mis-diagnosed?

This is the biggest bunch of bullcrap I have EVER heard!

[Bouncy Ball]

19. How can she be minimally conscious with no

cerebral cortex? How can she have been minimally conscious for fifteen years and every doctor who ACTUALLY examined her managed to miss that?

What a crock of bullshit. I swear, I have NEVER seen such blatant lies in all my life, and I've lived through the first bush term now.

[Bonhomme Richard]

15. I hate to say it but he is buying time and hoping she dies. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

49. I think so too

If he really believed in this crap he wouldn't have sent Jebbie out there.

[Bonhomme Richard]

53. I'd even bet they spoke to physicians at the scene...........

just to confirm that she doesn't have much time left before they made the statement.
God, am I cynical?

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. I heard that. After 15 YEARS???? she's NOW been misdiagnosed?

These fools are DESPERATE!

[Nite Owl]

25. Well they better sue

soon before the proposed tort reform.

[DesEtoiles]

17. Q: Why did it take them 15 years to get around to this diagnosis?

She is saying they only respond when they are asked.

She says "many allegations of abuse and neglect" but now they finally have "enough information".

[DesEtoiles]

20. Q: WOW - Jeb, if she's not PVS, your stupd Bill does not even apply to her

Reporter asked this? So, Jeb, the bill won't apply to her if she is not PVS. How does it apply?

JEB SAYS - I DON"T KNOW. STAMMERS. TO BE HONEST I DON"T KNOW.

[Avalux]

24. BULLSHIT

This is a set-up. I want to know the NAME of the licensed physician changing Schiavo's diagnosis.

[maveric]

34. Dr. Cheshire

[janx]

58. What?

?

[countingbluecars]

60. They are saying he is a "distinguished" doctor..

a "distinguished" Mayo Clinic neurologist.

[Walt Starr]

66. They left one word out of the description, "fundamentalist"

http://www.tiu.edu/trinitymagazine/fall2003/cheshire.htm

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Then why aren't they presenting with the information?

Why don't they show the proof they have of the "abuse"? This poor man.

[huskerlaw]

18. Right...

and they just noticed that today? This thing has been litigated to death (sorry)...but it's been through the state court system more than once, up to the US Supreme Court, and now through the federal court stytem as well. She's had doctors, nurses, and god only knows who else poking and prodding her for 15 years and suddenly JEB thinks he can prove that she's not PVS? Bullshit.

[City Lights]

26. I love your sig line.

:thumbsup:

[huskerlaw]

42. Thanks!

I love yours too ;)

[City Lights]

52. Thanks!

;-)

[Bouncy Ball]

31. Ooooo, GREAT sig line!!

Did you make it? Where'd you get it?

[huskerlaw]

40. Thank you!

I got it from a liberal icon community on LiveJournal...someone named mourn_of_night made it. :)

[Wilber_Stool]

21. Now it's

protective custody. This might get ugly.

[Bouncy Ball]

28. It's ALREADY ugly.

It's done BEEN ugly. We've gone past ugly into some place I don't even recognize.

And this won't go to protective custody. She'll pass on peacefully first, thank GOD.

[Wilber_Stool]

32. Ugly-er....n/t

[City Lights]

38. There's a bush involed, so the correct phrase is "more uglier."

:evilgrin:

[Bouncy Ball]

46. Mo' Uglificationness

[DS1]

48. I was thinking involuntary uglifositude

[Bouncy Ball]

62. that's WAY better

[FreedomAngel82]

57. In some strange way

this reminds me of the Salem "witch" trials. Hey it's our own version.

[justsomegirl]

23. Rats.

I was hoping that he would announce that he's volunteered to be the donor for the brain transplant.

[LondonReign2]

56. Jeb's Brain -- that would be cruel and unusual punishment

n/t

[Nite Owl]

29. Stay calm until we think of something

cause a riot just wouldn't look good.

[MsTryska]

30. This maybe of scientific help to people

http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0161.html?printable=1

[Bouncy Ball]

43. According to that:

In order to be diagnosed as being in a minimally conscious state (MCS):

A. Diagnostic criteria distinguishing VS from MCS

Several diagnostic criteria have been proposed (Giacino et al, 1997; Aspen Neurobehavioral Conference Workgroup, submitted). At least one criterion should be present and occur on a reproducible or sustained basis to diagnose MCS:

1. follows simple commands,
2. gestural or verbal "yes/no" responses (regardless of accuracy)
3. intelligible verbalization
4. movements or affective behaviors that occur in contingent relation to relevant environmental stimulus and are not attributable to reflexive activity.

Well, nope, I have never read anything that has said she can do any of those things. In fact, every doctor who has ACTUALLY examined her has said she is in a persistent vegetative state. She'd HAVE to be, with that much of her brain missing. What is there to GIVE her consciousness, even minimally?

[DesEtoiles]

33. Jeb needs 21 senators to vote yes on his bill by end of day today

[DesEtoiles]

35. Kyra Phillips CNN says this doctor DID NOT physcially examine Terri

[DesEtoiles]

39. also - they refused to say WHEN this so-called exam took place

I'm sure it was probably against the Court Order that says Terri cannot be examined.

That's why the order is there - to keep quacks from making this kind of fraudulent claim.

[AngryOldDem]

44. Seems to me

that most people who have been speaking definitively about her condition have not seen her, either.

I also liked the differing descriptions of her supposed current state given by her parents and by a visiting priest. The two were diametrically opposed. Parents said she was fading fast and priest said she was as alert as ever.

You don't know who to believe in this fiasco anymore.

[Trillo]

36. New Game: Take the heat off Congress and President. nt

[AngryOldDem]

37. Misdiagnosed?

With scans that show her cortex to be liquified?

And I assume the Adult Protective Services team is staffed with neuroscientists and other specialists who are qualified to reverse a diagnosis that has been repeatedly affirmed over the years?

[DesEtoiles]

45. FOX NEWS - Shephard Smith doing A GREAT JOB - these are the "FACTS"

her cerebrum has been replaced by spinal fluid

by the law, she is "a vegetable"

testimony from 3 PEOPLE who testified to Terri's wishes, not just her husband

[DeepModem Mom]

51. You are kidding me! nt

[seabeyond]

54. what even fox is thinking getting a bit out of control,

feeling the need to calm their people down, now they worked them into quite a little frenzy

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. How much $$$$$$$$$$$$ was this damn doctor paid?????

MILLIONS??? Do we know who he is? Can we investigate him? Shall we guess how much $$$$ he has donated to the repuke party?

[Bonhomme Richard]

64. No need to pay him. He is a fundy. n/t

[countingbluecars]

65. You're right!

There is a Dr.Chesire of the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. I did a quick search and found that he got his M.A. in Bioethics from Trinity International University. Checked that site and their heading says,
"Forming Students to Transform the World through Christ".

[_testify_]

61. Can we recall Jeb?

Any other floridians know?

[Amaya]

63. This is most absurd ridiculous lunatic asinine piece of shit "news" story

ever.

These people are relentless. I can't anymore. :mad:

[DemocracyInaction]

68. Total ignorance of Science is the hallmark of the dumb as whale

shit Christian Right....remember??? That's why they are against stem cell research and why they want evolution not taught in schools, etc. Jeb and the boys are trying to stiffle a laugh as they play to these goddamn totally uneducated, ignorant clowns. They scarf it down with their chips and coke. They believe this crap. They believe that she can just stand up and walk out of that bed if she just had the right medical care. They have no clue of how the brain functions----you first have to have a brain to understand.