Shiavo is alert, oriented, and has rehab potential. Why kill her?????

[FM Arouet666]

http://www.lauraingraham.com/public/default.asp

TERRI'S NURSE--READ THE AFFIDAVIT!

This is what I heard today on the Laura Ignormus show, interesting that the link off of her page goes to the Freeper page.

What a load of crap. Fact, the women has about 10% of a cerebral cortex, all her observed functioning is reflexive, she will never recover, she will never communicate, she will never feel pain or suffer.

The nurse in this affidavit is lying. PERIOD. I have reviewed her physicians conclusions and her CT Scan on the net, seen countless interviews with her physicians, and it is simply impossible for this women to have the level of functioning described by her nurse.

What scares me is congress passing some asinine law stating that patients must be kept alive in the absence of written directives, regardless of orally communicated instructions.

I have seen a load of emotional opinions on DU in support of Terri, I would recommend going to a hospice or long term care facility and seeing for yourself how persistently vegetative patients exist. It is pathetic. The humane and moral action is to let this woman die, prolonging her life is futile and only serves the emotional and religious needs of the parents.

[LiberalFighter]

1. If this is the nurse I think it is...she was fired therefore not her nurse

[ultraist]

6. Terry Randall probably offered her a better paying job in exchange

for her testimony. I wonder who is whose payroll at this point.

[Just Me]

45. This is nothing other than PLANTED DISINFORMATION.

Period.

[tuvor]

2. Didn't one of her doctors say that her cerebral cortex was all liquid?

Are they on the edge of a cure for that, or what?

[FM Arouet666]

23. Her CT shows a huge cavity of cerebral spinal fluid with very little

remaining cortex.

[thecrow]

51. Do you have a link to the CT scan?

I'd personally like to see that.
ThankS!

[madeline_con]

3. Hey, WTF?

hold on. I must be misunderstanding this whole deal. You wrote:


"What scares me is congress passing some asinine law stating that patients must be kept alive in the absence of written directives, regardless of orally communicated instructions."

Isn't this just for Schiavo, or does it mean we all hav to lay there like potatos if we don't get a living will?

[GiovanniC]

11. A Law Was Proposed

But I don't think it ever made it anywhere, that everyone would be kept alive in the absense of a written document indicating their desire otherwise.

[ultraist]

12. I think they have goals beyond Terri

The bill that just passed doesn't include that but it does include a study be conducted. They are laying the groundwork. This also relates to the fact that fetuses don't have brains early on. This will help them to use this legislation to outlaw "killing" any potential life form, IMO.

[Mojorabbit]

43. Oh but they are thinkinh about it. See

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1333474

[sexybomber]

14. not necessarily, but it does set a precedent...

for other stupid legislation of the same kind... ergh.

[ultraist]

21. Like a two week old blastocyst without a brain or heartbeat

cannot be aborted. Or, a profoundly malformed 5 month old fetus cannot be aborted. It's all about getting control over people's bodies.

[FM Arouet666]

24. This is just for Shiavo, but......

I have heard mention of a possible bill, pandering to the right to lifers, that will have a broader effect. And, yes, it scares the hell out of me. Seeing patients forced into care facilities because they neglected to write down directives.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

27. Do you think they're going to stop at just one person?

Just wait, if they're successful with this fiasco, they'll attempt to expand tbe law to encompass everyone.

On edit: It seems they're already thinking about that:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1333474

[neverforget]

48. If they're successful? I think they will go ahead with another bill no

matter what. No bill is too much pandering to the Christian Taliban. We've only just begun to be shocked at their hypocrisy.

[zelda7743]

49. Who's going to pay for all this care???

Most people living in persistant vegetative state are on the Medicaid dole. Health care facilities can turn down placement of patients with no payment source. When Medicaid goes broke, all these patients (that they government has decided must stay alive) will have to live at home and family will be paying for tube feeding formula and diapers out of pocket.

[babylonsister]

4. We all know she has spinal fluid in

her brain, no brain, needs to go. I think it's a done deal. Now it's about the timing.

[sonicx]

5. Noone with any crediblity believes Terri can recover...

Her parents got some Quack doctor and he was laughed out of court.

[AlCzervik]

7. jesus christ in a hand basket, that woman has been everywhere today

how long until she gets a book deal or a pundit job? I've heard her 3 times today and each time she sounds less believable.

[ultraist]

16. I wonder how much she gets paid per appearance, n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

17. She was squirming like Queeg today on CNN...

...if body laguage can be believed, then hers indicated she can not be believed.:thumbsdown:

[spanone]

8. They're sliming Michael Schiavo . Just like the elections.

This is their method of operation.

[FM Arouet666]

25. Exactly. All the right wing nuts are out to smear away.

What next "Brain dead vets for truth."

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[GiovanniC]

18. Not Even Close To the Point

The point is that Terri did not want to be kept alive under these conditions.

Period.

[FM Arouet666]

26. Fat chance.

And it is not about being a burden or not. It is about what is legal in the state of Florida. The spouse is the medical guardian and he has made the decision based on what Terri had wanted. It should be the end of the story. Except that the repugs want to grandstand appealing to the their ignorant fundamentalist base.

[put out]

53. They tried to do this at home for three weeks? three months?

Then they took her back to a care facility. This is with mom, dad, and husband all looking after her, not long after her initial brain injury. They couldn't do it. All three of them working together couldn't.

Perhaps the situation would be much better now, all of them fifteen years older. I wouldn't bet on it, though.

[DesEtoiles]

10. I bet she came on to Michael Schiavo and he rejected her;woman scorned

[MADem]

13. Because she is not alert, oriented and lacks all rehab potential

The poor thing is a lobster, a shell of a lobster.

I have to hand it to her husband--he's taking a lot of shit, but he is keeping his wife first in all this; respecting HER wishes. It would be way easier for him to walk away, but he is keeping his promise despite vicious excoriation and character assassination.

Wish politicians would be one-fifth as vigorous about keeping their promises....

I saw the "nurse" on the telly today. Not the best of spokespeople, IMHO....looked more like a ghoul looking for a moment of fame and maybe a book deal...at the very least, a few "appearance fees" for her perspective.

[FM Arouet666]

29. Completely agree, she is not credible.

However, on the Laura Ignoramus show, the host kept blathering on about how the nurse was credible, had no reason to lie, was speaking from a position of intimate knowledge. Bull Pucky.

[MADem]

42. Priceless snippet re: Laura the media whore

Ingraham herself is dross from Dartmouth and the University of Virginia Law School, where she was marginalized as sort of an ultra-right-wing (even by Virginia standards) Connecticut cracker in the Bush family tradition. Unlike Ann Coulter, who often appears as if she herself is on crack, but not a cracker, Ingraham prefers to present herself as a cold, calculating wannabe Steelers cheerleader who surrounds herself with adolescent men both privately and professionally. She is the kind of woman you would have seen on Girls Gone Wild had there been such an enterprising series examining "youth culture" anthropology during her college years. Ingraham, according to my friend "the G man," "is the girl most likely to perform drunken fellatio on all the sweaty ‘members' of the Princeton Crew after too many glasses of Sant'gria." http://www.americanpolitics.com/20050311Koop.html

Brutal assessment, long but informative, with a sensible conclusion--TUNE HER OUT!

[FM Arouet666]

46. I love the info on the media whore.

I cannot take much of her show. I switch it on in the morning on the way to work and usually last about two minutes before I almost crash yelling at the radio.

[Southsideirish]

15. Then why are they hiding her if she is doing so well? All the videos we

see are from years ago and highly edited.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. Her husband has refused

access for several years now. That is why the videos and photos we see are not recent.

[sonicx]

41. Good, it's a private matter. Doesn't need to be on TV.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

19. That lying christofascist bitch was on CNN this morning...Hemmer tried.

Aside from looking like a $10 whore on TV this morning, the "nurse" in question had no answer for Bill Hemmer when he asked why all of this miraculous behavior on Terri's part wasn't videotaped by the staff. To his credit, Hemmer pretty much closed the interview with the stated understanding that there was NO PROOF of what this lying bitch was saying about Terri Schiavo.

JB

[rodeodance]

30. The Hopise was sold 6 years ago and documents seem to have

disappeared. So, as far as I know, we do not have a day by day record of her care--her responses, The hubby's actions and behaviors etc etc.

[NurseLefty]

20. Also, reports of her being an "expert" witness are FALSE.

It's being reported that "RN who cared for Shiavo...". But even she acknowledges the truth in the affadavit (BTW, see the freepers themselves doubting her credibility - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006944/posts) that Carla Sauer Iyer was a LPN at the time she was involved in Schiavo's care.
I even looked up her credentials at http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00praes/PRASLIST.ASP. She did not become an RN until 1 YEAR AFTER her end of LPN-patient relationship w/ Shiavo.
Point being, especially if you read her affadavit (NO OBJECTIVE EVALUATION WHATSOEVER), she was not a credible/expert witness. And as I've heard, the court thought so, too.

[ultraist]

50. Hired "Expert " witnesses are paid big bucks

They make a minimum of 50k per court appearance. That's why it's important to consider court appointed doctors and experts and not just the hired guns. This nurse may have been a hired expert witness too.

[mongo]

22. The only good that could come of this

is that some small percentage of the rabid right who listens to this shit all day long will realize that they are being lied to.

I heard that nurse on Hannity's radio show today. According to her Terri says "help me" and can move around (purposely) some.

I just hope that some of the right realizes how much a load of crap this is and that it is propaganda and starts to listen with a more critical ear.

[KC21304]

28. Get the " Historical Facts of Theresa Marie Schiavo's Case

by reading this report from the Guardian ad litem for Terri. He was approved by both sides and gave report to Jeb Bush in Dec 2003. If you want to get right to the facts, scroll down a bit. I can't believe these bastards are getting away with trashing Michael Schiavo when this report is there for all to see.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf

[rodeodance]

32. They get away with what they can. Who will take them to court?

[rodeodance]

34. We live in a "culture of character assination" approved by the WH!!

[Greylyn58]

31. You know if poor Terri Schiavo

was in a coma, with her eyes closed, not one member who voted for this stupid law would give a rat's ass about this woman or her family.

But because she has reflexive eye movements they think she's aware.

God I hate these people!!! Not one of these cretins said one word when they removed the breathing tubes from "little Sun" down in Texas.

Geez!!!!!!

:nuke: :grr:

[Zynx]

33. The courts threw this "nurse" out on her ass

This was not deemed credible.

[rodeodance]

35. This nurse, along with another was on the Hannity show tonight and he

was sucking it up.

[rodeodance]

38. Unfortuately, Colmes did not do a bery good job a denouncing it but he

tried.

[FM Arouet666]

47. Poor old Colmes.

The lap dog of the repugs, probably got popped in the nose with a rolled up news paper for speaking out.

[FM Arouet666]

36. I wonder why conservative radio and Faux news neglected to tell us this?

[rodeodance]

40. Hannity did ask about the firing and she said it because she was

not listening to the husbands requests. She said the husband would take the chart, gointo Terri's s room, and later Terri was would be very agitated. The nurse said she reported this to her supervisor--the word abused was used.

[FM Arouet666]

44. She suggested that the husband was injecting insulin into Terri.

[grannylib]

39. Flies in the face of the law Chimpy signed in Texas in I think 1999

that MANDATES pulling life support over family members' objections, and of course, ability to PAY was a consideration of the decision to 'live and let live.'
What FUCKING HYPOCRITES. WHEN the fuck is this country full of sheeple going to wake up?
As long as we leave the guns alone and hate gays, nothing wrong anywhere else, eh??

[sonicx]

52. Media Matters is all over this...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503230001

On March 22, both CNN's Live From... and Fox News' Fox and Friends aired interviews with Carla Sauer Iyer -- a former nurse for Terri Schiavo who in 2003 submitted an affidavit with inflammatory accusations against Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo -- but failed to report questions about Iyer's credibility. Judge George W. Greer, the Florida circuit judge who has presided over several aspects of the Schiavo case, dismissed Iyer's allegations as "incredible" and noted in a September 17, 2003, order that not even Terri Schiavo's parents sought her testimony in the case.

In both appearances, Iyer was presented as a former nurse for Terri Schiavo. Fox introduced her as a "registered nurse in Florida" who "cared for Terri for more than a year between '95 and 1996." In addition, on-screen text described Iyer as "Carla Sauer Iyer; Cared for Terri Schiavo." On CNN, Iyer was introduced as a "nurse who says that she cared for Terri Schiavo more than a year in the mid-1990s." As with Fox, CNN's on-screen text described Iyer as "Terri Schiavo's former nurse." Another on-screen text line presented on CNN stated that Iyer "testified about Terri Schiavo's physical state." However, according to Greer's September 2003 order, Schiavo's parents had not subpoenaed Iyer to testify.

In both a 2003 court affidavit (posted on the website operated by Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler) and her March 22 cable appearances, Iyer maintained that Terri Schiavo was constantly "alert and oriented" while under her care, "saying such things as 'mommy,' and 'help me.' " She claimed that "Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. Michael would say 'When is she going to die?' 'Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch gonna die?' " The affidavit also included her claims that Michael Schiavo expressed the desire to "accelerate" Terri's death, that when Terri was sick and looked as if she might die, "He would blurt out 'I'm going to be rich,' " and the assertion that "t is my belief that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin" to intentionally make her sick. She claimed in her affidavit that "I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day."

Greer dismissed Iyer's charges, noting that they -- along with a similar affidavit given by Heidi Law, another nurse who formerly took care of Terri Schiavo -- were "incredible to say the least" and that "either in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo." From Greer's decision:

snip/more

[FM Arouet666]

54. How pathetic

I quit watching cable and network news some time ago. This is a prime example of why I did. Goebbels would be proud.