Why the Terri Shiavo case is lose-lose for Bush

[Walt Starr]

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Bush can still save Schiavo and he must!
wotan | 3/22/2005 | wotan


Posted on 03/22/2005 5:33:51 AM PST by wotan


Bush can and must save Schiavo.

He has the legal power to do so and his oath of office requires him to do so.

Congress has legally subpoenaed Schiavo to appear before the US Congress. Judge Greer and others have conspired to prevent her appearance. Bush must send US Marshals to enforce the subpoena. To protect this witness, the Marshals would, of course, put an end to all efforts to interfere with her drinking and eating.

It doesn't matter what ANY court says about such a procedure. Bush would be clearly within his Constitutional rights and would be acting pursuant to and as required by his Constitutional oath. If he has to precipitate a Constitutional crisis to get the message through to our deranged judiciary, he should do so.



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The radical clerics and religiously insane are worked up into such a froth that if Terri Shiavo dies, they lose. If the tube is put back in 70% of the nation will be so disgusted that Bush loses.

And no matter what, it is George W. Bush's signature at the bottom of Terri's Law. He can never ever erase that.

They cannot win on this one. Fortunately for us, the Democrats in Congress chose only token opposition so as to not stop a perfectly good train wreck

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. The last line is the most important part.

I know many of us here would prefer Democrats fight absolutely everything, pissing and moaning every step of the way.

Here's a perfectly good tangible example of why pragmatism can work sometimes. Had we filibustered Terri's law, like MANY here cried we should have, we would've been labeled "murderers". There's no two ways about that. Since we did not, however, get in their way, there's a vast amount of public opinion that is disgusted by this event. And every ounce of that disgust is directed at the Republicans. This is an empire crusher, folks. They can't run away from this issue, because their base won't let them, but everyone that is not a religious extremist is pissed off. Further, there isn't a single person that is pointing the fingers at the Democrats and saying "You should've done something to stop this!", outside of DU, of course (which is sometimes our own worst enemy).

This is a huge win for us, and we didn't even have to get out of bed for it.

Let them implode themselves, folks. They WILL do it.

[GreenPoet64]

3. I think you're right . . .

politics is a bit like a game of chess. Sometimes you have to be thinking two or three moves ahead. The dems did the right thing in giving the repubs enough rope to hang themselves on this one.

Now the repubs will try to vilify the judge, but in the end that won't work.

The Dems did such a good job arguing the separation of powers point that people are seeing the political game.

[sendero]

6. I agree..

... I'm generally for fighting tooth and nail. But in this case, it is about 1 person and her family. I have no vested interest in this, nor does society at large. The right's attempt to make this relevant to abortion will flop like a banked fish.

The Dems did the right thing. Stand aside and let the man come through. If you can believe the polls at all (and I think you can) I think Americans are starting to get a clue about this administration. I think we just won over a few million more Americans to our point of view, that being that everything this administration does is for the camera and microphone, everything they say and do has a propaganda angle.

Even the stupidest American can see the rank hypocracy in this, from states rights to futile medical care. Even the thickest of Americans don't need a doctor to tell them that nobody awakens from a PVS after 14 years, hope is wonderful but standing in the middle of a freeway and expecting not to get run over is not hope, it is stupid.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

10. Great post, but I have a question...........

what in the world is a banked fish? :)

[sendero]

12. A...

... fish out of water :)

[FreedomAngel82]

13. I think it was smart too

The thing people need to realize is the democrats have no power anyways. I think they were smart. Some of them signed on, and at first I was so disgusted, but I then thought about it some and this is smart. It's going to be all Bush's fault either way and people know that. And the democrats are staying out of it. :D Good for them! And people are also knowing about the 1999 law Bush and the Right for Life group made and is making Bush look like a huge hypocrite. I also think it'd be a good idea if sometime after this issue has died down the democrats try to bring in a bill for national health care and if the republicans say no against that then that'll go against them too since forty-five million people are without health insurance in this country. And Mrs. Schiavo is on medicaid as well that they are cutting. Oy!

[tinrobot]

19. If someone is committing political suicide

The best thing to do is to stand back and watch.

[adwon]

2. Boy they don't get it at all

No president is not required to carry out Congressional subpoenas. Those idiots missed 9th grade civics when they talked about separation of powers.

"If he has to precipitate a Constitutional crisis to get the message through to our deranged judiciary, he should do so."

For that poster's sake, I hope he/she never acts on that advice. The Constitution does allow the death penalty for actions like that.

[underpants]

4. I knew it I knew it I knew it

Actually I was expecting a call on Jeb to send in the Guard or State Troopers.

I KNEW it would come to this.

We'll see.

[WilliamPitt]

5. Bingo on the last line

T'was my argument yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3316194

Glad to see the wisdom of the tactic is being seen.

:toast:

[Walt Starr]

7. Thanks, Will

I was pissed they didn't fight, but I have faith the courts will see the unconstitutional nature of the legislation and will see the hazard to the judiciary of not overturning the law.

[zanne]

8. On C-Span this morning, a Republican caller said;

"One way to get food to Terri is to make her a widow". Another caller called him on it, thank God, and pointed out the hypocrisy. Statements like these that contain alot of emotion and no logic really exemplify the fundie position. The public notices these things.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Make her a widow?

Isn't a widow usually when the husband DIES?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. I think that's the point.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. He Was Suggesting Michael Be Killed

The Professor

[Walt Starr]

20. That was the idea the caller was making

Hopefully some federal agents have contacted CSPAN for information regarding that caller. Making threats like that is a crime.

[SOS]

9. Not sure about lose-lose

The goal of the Republican Party is to take Bill Nelson's Senate seat next year.
Their only interest in Schiavo is the political advantage for next years mid term elections.
If Nelson loses, the Republicans will have successfully exploited Schiavo for a Senate seat.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. Uhm, hello? Have you seen the polls?

Even the Fox News poll indicates 60% feel the Bush admin is wrong on this issue. CNN/USA Today says nearly 80%.

They're not successfully exploiting anything here.

[SOS]

22. A national poll doesn't change the 50/50 nature of Florida's electorate

Look at last years Florida Senate results for Democrat Graham's seat:
Martinez - R
3,672,864
Castor - D
3,590,201
Yesterday there was an unsigned GOP strategy memo circulating among Republicans on Capitol Hill "cynically relishing the points to be scored with the right-to-life political machine in next years elections" (NYT 3/22/05).
Everything they do is for political gain.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. I agree

And Bush has the Constiutional rights?! WTF? I don't think so. His right is to uphold the Constiution and the Bill of Rights. Ugh!

[Jesus Saves]

16. They will probably lose

and in my opinion the nuts in charge know they will probably lose.

It's like 'What's the Matter With Kansas' - the right wing gets their base frothed up about issues that they will lose on, that way they can keep their base angry, which is what they want.

The right wing always loses its culture wars in the end.

[underpants]

21. BTW Walt-Dittoheads at my wife's work-NO MENTION OF SCHIAVO

Several guys in my wife's office listen to Rush at work (very inappropriate) and I asked her about it and she said they haven't said one word about it. They usually love to tease her about those silly liberals (which she isn't).

Either Rush isn't talking about this (unlikely)

OR the leak of the talking points memo has left him without a script to read

OR they (the dittoheads) don't want to have anything to do with this.