Yet another Columbine-style rampage. Thanks goodness for the NRA!!!

[UdoKier]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting

I'm sure this kid could have just as easily killed 10 other kids with a knife...


If only ALL the kids in school had had guns to protect themselves.


Yep, people in countries like Sweden or Japan, where shootings are so rare as to be a BIG story when they occur sure are stupid for banning handguns...


Fuck you, NRA. You are drenched with blood just as much as the debased society that cranks out soulless kids who do this kind of thing.

Oh, I forgot to mention. It was on an Indian reservation, so the blood-drenched corporate media will probably barely glance away from "Terri's" animated corpse. I mean, it's not like they were pretty white middle-class kids, right - You know, they probably would've just ended up drunk and obese, right? On to the next nightmare of the right color and class to get ratings...

[bluestateguy]

1. OK, you're right. Let's collect all the guns

All persons have 30 days to turn in their guns (except for police and the military, of course). I'm sure that all the criminals will turn in their guns just because the government has asked them to do it.

[UdoKier]

5. It would take decades to get gun possesssion down to near-nil.

But it could work. It has in many, many countries.

[lenidog]

2. Riddle me this

In Switzerland ever single male between the ages of 18 and 45 is required by law to keep his fully automatic assault rifle at home complete with ammo. So why don't the kids in Switzerland go on a rampage. Also why is it in the past decade kids have been going on a rampage at schools like this. Never happened in the twelve years I went to school. You are bitching about the wrong end of the problem. Try worrying about why in the past few years kids have felt that this is the answer to their problems and why the feel they are justified to do this when they never have before.

[hughee99]

3. Well stated! n/t

[UdoKier]

4. Because Switzerland is a tiny, mountainous, filthy rich country?

I placed equal blame on our debased society.

But I will not debate this with the gun fetishists. I have had a gun, but I had a major change of heart over ten years ago.

I've lived in strict gun-control countries. It is better. Period.

I won't be responding to any more of the gun-lovers. As far as I'm concerned, you're wrong - end of story.

[OrlandoGator]

9. The death of debate: "you're wrong - end of story."

1994: Passage of Assault Weapons Ban and Brady Bill.
1994: Democrats lose control of Congress for first time in 40 years.

[UdoKier]

13. Are you you trying to imply that...

The Brady Bill was significant in terms of handgun control?

I would favor much more drastic handgun control.

Brady was popular then, and continues to be now. So much so that Bush promised in 2000 to re-new it...

[OrlandoGator]

14. The Brady Bill's only significance was that it lost the Dems Congress.

"Much more drastic handgun control" is the kind of stance the Republicans have wet dreams about. Go ahead, let their wedges divide us.

[UdoKier]

15. That's just plain BS. There was a lot more going on in 1994.

If anything, Limbaugh helped win the house for the GOP - he was a phenomenon at the time. And Clinton lost a lot of momentum with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

Brady had and continues to have strong support.

There is zero need for normal civilians to be walking around with assault weapons.

[OrlandoGator]

16. Don't own one, then.

I've got fifty dollars that says you don't know what an "assault weapon" is.

[Wonk]

17. A bar of soap wrapped in a towel. Do I win?

No good reason I can think of for normal civilians to be walking around with bars of soap wrapped in towels...

[UdoKier]

18. If it can be concealed, I favor banning it.

So I don't really need to know.

Have you ever lived in a civilized country? You know, the ones that banned handguns decades ago or longer?

I have, and you don't feel the need to have a handgun to protect yourself, because NOTHING ever happens. Never a gunshot in the night. Ladies feel safe walking alone at night.

2 biggest lies in this country today:

Gun control doesn't work.

Single-payer national health care sucks.

I know from experience that they are BS.

[OrlandoGator]

19. "Assault weapon" has nothing to do with concealability

Nice guess, though. Vanna has some lovely parting gifts for you.

[UdoKier]

20. I didn't say that it did.

I said I favor banning all concealable firearms.

Some assault weapons would fall under that heading, but the Brady bill didn't go near far enough.


Aside from very basic hunting rifles, I see no reason for any guns to be legal for civilians.


So where would you, in your infinite wisdom draw the line?

Bazooka? M-1 Tank? Hydrogen Bomb?



"Hydrogen Bombs don't kill hundreds of thousands of people, PEOPLE with Hydrogen bombs kill hundreds of thousands of people!!!"


LOL.

[applegrove]

7. The corporations are never responsible for the 'externalities'. Now

Africans using the corporate recipe for a cocktail of aids drugs and not paying top dollar for it but getting it from Indian companies that copy it...Now that is a big crime.

How many Africans will die because next year..when the India generic drug manufacturer is closed down..the local health authorities will not be able to give the drug cocktail the the number they can give to African now?

How about externalities about that? The Drug company could say: we are not responsible for how our drug recipes get used .. and just let the people of Africa & India get a great deal. But no. In that case then anything that smells like their drug even if it is not exact..anythng that smells like their drug is all theirs. And they want ownership of it where ever it could be.

What about that? I think corporations are getting wrapped up in knots over externalities. You know.. like a big ole pile of snakes ****ing!.

[Jamastiene]

6. Eddie Izzard

said it best. He said, in regards to the NRA's claim that guns don't kill people, people do, it's just that sound they make. You can't kill too many people just by walking up to them and saying "bang". These school shootings let us know just how bad things really are. Teenagers are sensitive in a lot of cases. They are reacting to a crazy world around them. Plus they are subjective to the propoganda going so strong right now that tells people to just use violence to handle anything and everything. I mean the president does it that way. See what happens when that is the example of what has been deemed not only acceptable but God help you if you disagree with the controlling elite that run this country. I hope they are proud of themselves right about now.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. The problem isn't guns.

There's obviously something deeper causing these kids' psychological problems. Laying the blame for something like this on guns, or on the NRA, is a bit like blaming General Motors for an intentional hit-and-run. The root of the problem lies with the educational system, the parents, and society as a whole. So any talk of banning guns isn't adressing the problem. Sure, violent teenage psychopaths with antisocial personality disorder won't be able to get guns anymore, but they'll still be violent teenage psychopaths with antisocial personality disorder. Which is kind of like trying to treat an amputation with a Band-Aid and a couple of aspirin.

[Wonk]

11. The solution isn't either, though. There's the rub.

:shrug:

[OrlandoGator]

12. Why don't people ever blame cars for DUI?

Anyone?

[countryjake]

10. The person who did this school shooting stole the guns from his G'pa...

who was long-time law enforcement. With the state of our government deteriorating as it is, calling people gun-fetishists, when it's entirely possible martial law could be our future, seems rather off to me. Stomping for an issue, the votes, a candidate, a party is important, but defending our democracy is too repugnant? I seriously can't worry too much about a kid with a gun when the sounds of aggressive war are blasting everywhere. Wanna see something really scary? Try marching in a peace demo & check out the gear on those "troops"!