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OTownGuy Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:50 PM
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Its the PARENTS fault
Its those PSYCHO Socio-pathic Schindlers that have FOISTED this on AAAAAL of us. They r the ones that went to the FL COurt, to Jeb, to Federal, and to Congress. The Religious Right only RALLIED aroung them and saw THEM/IT as an OPPURTUNITY as did DeLay. No wonder that poor woman went belumic.
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:58 PM
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1. It's post s
like yours that make us seem like idiots. This is an extremely complesx issue. The love of parents to child is the strongest bond. Ask your parents who do they love more their children or their spouse and I bet they will say their children. People do anything for their children. your comments smack of a person who is extremely immature
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:06 PM
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2. I don't fault them for their emotional struggle.
But I did expect the elected officials to act with some measure of rationality instead of turn this thing into a media circus for political gain.

Terri is now a pawn. Her parents think they're players, but they're pawns too.





And my big lesson is to write my life-support preferences down in a clear and legally binding format.

I can't help Terri from where I am. But I can help other people who might wind up in her situation.

Get a lawyer or go to Nolo Press.
"http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/ObjectID/ABEC39A2-E762-445D-955FD538FBD454F1/catID/EDC82D5A-7723-4A77-9E10DDB947D1F801/309/292/295/ART/"
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:13 PM
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6. Pity the parents...
...their overwhelming grief is being used by the nut wing right to manipulate them as well. You are spot on.
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:14 PM
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7. Congress should
have never gotten involved. It is out of their jurisdication. That being said, there is something odd about Michael Schiavo's position. It doesn't ring true. He has a new family with 2 kids. To me, he gave up his rights once he had a new family. Any good hearted and understanding person(we all "profess" to be liberal and heartfelt")would give up Terri to the parents. There is no stronger bond between a parent and child. It is much stronger than between spouses.
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hollywood926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:18 PM
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12. Exactly n/t
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:20 PM
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14. I agree. Congress should've stayed out. I also won't judge Michael.
I don't know him. I don't know what Terri saw in him. I don't know what kind of relationship they had, neither long ago, nor in recent times.



Terri's experience was set in motion by many forces over many years, including years in which she was fully conscious.

I make no assumptions about how "good" or "bad" any of the individuals involved are, or would've been.


Michael might be a saint or a monster or anything in between (I mean, most of us are somewhere in between.)

Terri herself may or may not have been as innocent and sweet as she's portrayed. I want to think of her as a nice lady, but that's my issue, not hers and not necessarily true.



I simply don't know, cannot know, and fully admit as much.
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ulTRAX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:31 PM
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19. I agree......
The husband has moved on in his life... and I don't believe he's in a position to be guardian.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:11 PM
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3. Oh please!
I am on Michael's side with this whole thing, but you cannot blame the parents for not wanting to let her go. No parent want's to out live their child/children.

They have never come to terms with what happened to their daughter, so of course they are going to fight. And you know what? If they didn't fight for their kid, then they wouldn't be much in the way of parent material now would they?

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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:12 PM
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5. I do blame them though
for demonizing Michael Schiavo in the media.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:20 PM
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15. They have been convinced by people with political agendas...
... that he is trying to kill there beloved daughter who is not brain dead. For God's sake that evil nut Frist states from the senate floor, he can tell from videos she's not in a persistent vegetative state. to us it sounds ridiculous to a parent, it's hope.

I agree with Michael Schiavo. As a parent I have great compassion for the parents.

to all those right wing fundies that have prolonged ALL of their suffering: May they all roast in their hell for eternity.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:15 PM
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9. I CAN and DO blame them for admitting they would defy her wishes.
I'm a parent, and I can tell you that fighting FOR my children would not mean fighting AGAINST them.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:15 PM
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10. There's fighting for your kid and fighting against them.
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:20 PM
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13. Ask yourself
a question. How does it benefit Michael to end terri's life. Why would it be a sacrifice to give up ca retaking to the parents. How does that hurt Michael. Do you think a 5 year marriage is stronger than the parents raising that child. How does it hurt Michael to give up the ca retaking of Terri? Any good hearted person would do it for the parents. What kind of person doesn't allow the parents to not see their daughter for 2 years. This guy has a mean streak in him
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:11 PM
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4. It was unseemly, though....
to see them beaming with pride that the "president" came back to sign this law to save her life (or words to that effect). It sort of reminds me of the Chandra Levy parents, who wanted the entire world focused on their situation.
I mean, as a parent, I can certainly understand making my child the focus of my energy and concern, but do they really think this is the only major issue facing the country right now?
It seems as if the attention they're getting is becoming more and more appealing.
Just an opinion....
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:15 PM
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8. Her parents used to
tease her about her weight. Her brother called her fat.

They are being driven by guilt.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:17 PM
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11. The parents did not take an oath to protect the Constitution
However, each member of Congress did take an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution. This means that each person who voted for this bill is responsible for weakening the very document he or she was suppose to protect.

The thing that surprises the most is the fact that we still have people defending Bush and Congress over this failure to uphold the law. It especially amazes me that conservatives are not screaming the loudest because they are the ones who supposedly care about states' rights. I guess they care about their beloved leader more than they care about the states.
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:25 PM
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18. The repubs
make me puke. Using this for personal gain. However as I said Michael Sciavo's position reminds me of Scott Peterson. There is something fake about it. No normal human being would not hand over their rights to the parents. He has a entirely different family. All I know if I was his common law wife I would be pissed.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 08:15 AM
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20. There's no "common law" wife.
Texas is a common law state; that would be bigamy. Terry can never again be a real wife, but he doesn't want her carcass tortured endlessly by religous fools.

Who are you to judge what's a "normal human being"? Just because you're all to ready to dump your own spouse, don't project. Terry couldn't choose her parents; she chose Michael.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:21 PM
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16. Terri is now the Eternal Child...
just spoke with an old friend who deals with this every day. He said he sees this phenom over and over - parents who project what ever emotions they want into essentially brain dead children.

Sad.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:23 PM
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17. Are you setting us up to agree with you or what?
I don't agree, they just love their daughter. All the people who loved Terri are in agony.
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