I need some information from a Good Christian

[BOSSHOG]

If you were 25 years old and your spouse was put into a vegetative state for whatever reason for 15+ years or lets say 30+ years, would you stay by their bedside everyday? If a Doctor told you they were clinically brain dead with little or no hope of recovery would you remain at that bedside 24/7/365 for years and years and years and years? If I were lying in that bed, I would want my "loved-one" to pull the plug and get on with her life. I guess that makes me a bad person in tom delay's eyes. Good for me. Come on good Christians, straighten me out.

[insanity]

1. well

I would love her, I would visit her all the time. But I think I would understand that her soul is with God now, and she won't have peace untill her body follows her. I think that would be the only way I could console myself with the decision.

[liberal N proud]

2. I don't know if I am a good Christian, specially these days

I almost didn't want to go to church yesterday because of this topic. I had received two emails from church members asking for help to save Terri. And I expected the message to be shaped that way.
My comment to one was what about God's will.
I and my wife have talked about this many times and neither of us would want to be laying there like that and we wouldn't want our children to lay there.
If a true Christian as I know many are, they would have left this in God's hands many years ago.

[teenagebambam]

4. No matter how many times you and your spouse talk...

...this case is a good wake-up call that we ALL should have our wishes written into a legal document. Do it today!

[AllegroRondo]

8. About God's will

I've often wondered what Christians hope to accomplish with intercessive prayer. If God already knows what is best for us, why do we think prayer may change his plans? Do we presume to know better than God what should happen?

[BOSSHOG]

11. Totally cosmic

I never thought of that. At 50 I continue to learn. Thank you very much. I can' wait to interject that into a conversation with the many morons I run into on a daily basis. I'll light a candle for you at St Louis Cathedral in New Orleans AllegroRondo. And, why pray tell you are thinking. I'm really fucking with God on this post, but what the hell.

[AllegroRondo]

12. St Louis Cathedral - beautiful place

I may not be a Christian, but I did visit the cathedral on my New Orleans vacation a couple years ago. Amazing work.

[seabeyond]

3. jesus is in our hearts

if we were pure in thought, of compassion and love for this person, and the decision made for another in love was to take out the feeding tubes, in my view of christianity, whether right or wrong, preferred solution or not,.........we are not in sin. ignorance maybe, if that were to be a wrong decision, but not of sin

my strong belief (and belief is story we tell ourselves, an illusion mind you), my belief is in love you cannot go wrong. so i just going around being love, ...the best i can do, knowing god knows all, he knows best of intention from me. i dont think anymore is asked of us

[bryant69]

5. Well by the lights of these people I'm a bad Christian

I mean, after all, I'm a liberal.

I don't know whether the purpose of your post is to say that as a Christian I am more or less the same as these people? But neither I nor they would see it that way.

Anyway if death is not the end of existance, well, than I'm not sure what the trouble is. Better not to suffer, and go to the other side. Truthfully, I would think that someone who believes that this is all you get would have a harder time accepting pulling the plug.

I don't know though.

Bryant
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[BOSSHOG]

10. I'm a Christian and I'm a Liberal

but I don't want tom delay and george bush deciding the fate of my loved ones and the fiduciary destruction of my family because they want to appease religious zealots. I do not want to be a burden to my wife if I am in Teri's condition. I want my wife to pull the plug, grieve and get on with her life instead of being tethered to a lifeless mass of carbon just because religious fanatics think thats whats best for her. Fuck religious fanatics and zealots. And fuck tom delay and george bush who obviously have strayed far from the tenants of conservative political philosophy merely for the hope of a few votes. Christian Conservatives in this country are garbage bottom feeders who care nought about me and you but only on the destruction of the constitution. Jesus Christ will whip their asses when the time comes.

[Ganja Ninja]

6. If I had a spouse in the same condition as Terri Schiavo ...

and her family objected to pulling the plug I would find it difficult to disregard their wishes. I agree that she needs to be let go but if I were in Michael Schiavo's position It would be extremely hard to go against the wishes of her entire family.

[seabeyond]

9. i would expect my husband to fight for my right

i feel that strongly about the plug being pulled. not having body kept alive. what if he felt that type of loyalty to his wife

i dont know

we dont know

probably from the sounds of it there are a whole lot of things going on in this family that is not of love. i could see husbands family wanting to pull plug on him. my husband has said no. i would fight. i would battle. i would take to court and make a big ole stint for his right to not have plug pulled

gonna have to get a living will

[sandnsea]

7. A covenant marriage, or a regular one?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

These idiots don't even know that if they want their marriage blessed, they're supposed to do that in a church.

Face it, the country has been hijacked by Birchers.

[American in Asia]

13. I don't know if I'm a good Christian anymore either...

The fundies' bigotry and ignorance, and the lack of true following of Christ's teachings by much of the mainstream churches, and certainly the evangelical ones have kind of put me off organized religion.

But one thing puzzles me. They claim to believe that there is a heaven and we are at peace and with God in great joy when we die. If this is so, why would they want to prolong Terri's life, even if her soul wasn't already in that better place? Beats me.

I noticed on a FReeper thread on this that one of those lunatics has a signature line about how many babies are crying today in heaven (guess that's an antiabortion thing). But surely they believe that if the babies ARE in heaven, they're happy and at peace, with no regrets, right? Isn't that what they're taught heaven means?

Incidentally, if I see one more of their posts about Terri with the scripture about feeding the hungry and giving drink to the thirsty, I may throw something. Last I checked there were billions of hungry and thirsty people in the world and they don't give a good damn about any of them.

I dunno - thinking about it too much makes my head explode.

[insanity]

14. hell

I don't think I'm a "good Christian" anymore. I believe in love,compasion,justice, and beauty. I think that pretty much isolates me to pagen in today's church. Thankfully, my denomination accepts me for who I am, hell they are even ok with me being Taoist also (my pastor is also Taoist) the only stain on my church is W. We are so accepting that we even let W in our ranks. It pains me to see that man destroy my God everyday.

[banana republican]

15. I am a Heretic and Proud of it

I am in the company of great people; Moses cast out of Egypt & left to die; Jeremiah put in the well and left To die; Daniel thrown into the lions den & left to die; Sampson blinded and chained to two pillars; The Messiah murdered.

Does "salvation" depend on what I do in life"?
Answer *NO*

Salvation is a gift. God either loves you or he does not. And you can't do damn thing about it.

when are these fascist idiots going to stop trying to be God, deciding who lives & who dies???

[olacan]

16. You wrote

If you were 25 years old and your spouse was put into a vegetative state for whatever reason for 15+ years or lets say 30+ years, would you stay by their bedside everyday? If a Doctor told you they were clinically brain dead with little or no hope of recovery would you remain at that bedside 24/7/365 for years and years and years and years? If I were lying in that bed, I would want my "loved-one" to pull the plug and get on with her life. I guess that makes me a bad person in tom delay's eyes. Good for me. Come on good Christians, straighten me out.


This is a such a lousy position to be in.
When we got married the vows included phrases "for better or worse and in sickness and health". This case is wrapped up in both of those phrases, so here is how I hope I would react.
I would stay by her side and do everything I could to support her. Including talking, telling her what was going on in my life. I would have her walls covered in get well cards, if we had children there would be pictures all around. Would I be there every day more that likely not as there other responsibilities in life. I would not take up with another female and start family.
I would want her family involved in the process, I do not think would go to court to prevent them from visiting her.
The bottom line is we really do not know for sure how we would react in a case like this. It is easy to think we know how we would behave but until we are faced with these decisions and the emotions come into play it is all theory. Oh and yes I am a Christian (Nazarene church).