Ok, I'm having thoughts about who I support

[ShaneGR]

First off, I'm an Edwards guy. I like his candor and I really like the southern rural language he always uses.

I like Kerry too, I think he would make a good candidate.

I like Dean for the job he's done energizing the base but I'm worried he'll be labeled too easilly. Dean is the longshot, dream candidate. Kind of like the chance to make the West Wing REAL life. It would be extremely hard to do, but who knows.

Gephardt is a good man, but it's not possible.

Graham is too old, but I like him as a possible VP because of the Florida electoral points.

Everyone here knows how I feel about Kucinich. I'm from Cleveland, I don't like him because he's fiscally irresponsible (Or was.) That's just my opinion, bash away.

Lieberman sucks a big ass.

The rest are TOTALLY fringe.

So what am I questioning? I WANT WESLEY CLARK!!!!!!

[chimpymustgo]

1. Edwards/Clark - problem solved.

eom

[IndianaGreen]

2. Clark is not running

and he has indicated that before.

[ShaneGR]

4. ANd where do you get that?

Seriously, never saw any indication he wasn't running.

[Kahuna]

18. Correction IG: He indicated that he's thinking about it..

and will decide by Labor Day.

[Kahuna]

3. Don't hold back...

If you want Clark, join the club!!!!!!!!!!


Who couldn't love him? :loveya:

[baffie]

9. Hey, I didn't know he was so handsome!

:loveya:

[Kahuna]

16. LOL!

Clark is Hollywood casting, presidential material. He would kick shrub's butt so badly, he won't know what hit him.

He's cute. He's a genuis. He's brave. And, he's a liberal. Believe me he's a liberal. He's more liberal than I am. What's not to like?!


:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[caledesi]

29. OMG! I do think Clark is hot! Very handsome man.

I am so shallow <and lovin' it>

[bicentennial_baby]

45. Get the August Esquire

Pics of Wesley in the pool, getting a haircut... Great article too!

[Cha]

5. Dean is "not a dream candidate",,,,,,,what makes you think that..?

I hope it isn't something the dlc said or perhaps the rite wingers who have come out with their ludicrous talking points?

Dean is not being "labeled" at all!!
They can't pin him down because he does NOT fit into one category!




DEAN'04:kick:
:dem:

[betty boop]

11. I like Clark!

HI! I'm new here.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Welcome to DU betty boop!

Buckle your seatbelt!

[betty boop]

15. Thanks chimpymustgo

This is not my first board.

I just left a Bush Loving, sheep following, snake biting, piglets board.

[Kahuna]

19. Welcome to DU, Betty Boop!

:hi:

[betty boop]

22. Thanks Kahuna!

He is good looking, but that's not why I like him. Just something tells me, "HE'S THE ONE"

Infact, Clinton and Biden are behind him.

[Kahuna]

37. Absolutely! I agree. His good looks also have no bearing..

on my support. It's just icing on the cake. }>


:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[newyawker99]

24. Hi betty boop!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[betty boop]

27. Thanks newyewker99

I'm there!

[caledesi]

28. That's right Zid...& that is what is driving everyone crazy!

You can't really put a label on him. Just listen to him. Watch him. You can help but be energized. "You have the power." He's electrifying.

[MODemocrat]

52. Dean is my dream candidate

No other one fires me up like Dean does.


~~~~~~GO DEAN~~~~~~~

[Ripley]

6. Why does everyone say Graham is too old?

Isn't he only in his 60's? Gee that's not too much older than the pack in their 50's. And damn don't you guys remember Reagan...he was in his 70's.

I'm a Dean supporter, but I just hate to see age used against any candidate.

[Cha]

14. Yeah!,,,,it's not the age ,,,it's the person!!

People need to think outside the proverbial box!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xJscsY6sqDcC:

[Eloriel]

44. zidzi

what is it with those damn commas?

They're VERY distracting. And tend to degrade your message somewhat. Wouldn't be too bad if you were just making funny points or being silly, but drop 'em if you want to be taken seriously.

Eloriel

[lkinsale]

34. He's 66. Old enough to have a clue, ya know?

I agree, it astonishes me to hear him called "too old." (I always want to ask, "How old are you? Under 25?" LOL)

I frankly think his age is advantage, considering how well he's used his time in this life. Two-time popular governer of a state of 12+ million, three-time senator, never lost an election.

[JohnKleeb]

38. funny I am under 25 never bothered me

not a Graham supporter however but age is not an issue for me.

[Terwilliger]

7. I will bash

you need to talk to theriverburns or whatever his name is who thinks Kucinich is a hero for standing up to the energy privatization attempts.

Also...just one other thing...

I'm from Cleveland, I don't like him because he's fiscally irresponsible

Is that the same Cleveland where Kucinich was mayor when the Cuyahoga caught fire? I'm sorry if I can't give you any credibility there.

John Kerry will be the Democratic party candidate for President of the United States in 2004

[ChrisNYC]

8. I agree Dean will be labeled

But do you seriously doubt "Massachusetts liberal" & "Dukakis" won't be repeated constantly? Or "Trial lawyer, trial lawyer, trial lawyer"? They can and all will be labeled -- I say support who you believe in, within the constraints of electability. I may be deluded, but I happen to believe Dean is electable. We shall see...

[salin]

36. Exactly correct - they will label ANY candidate

and repeat it on the rightwing media echo chamber of talk and columns until it resonates. So who has the ability to work past/through it - that is the question. Gore did (he won - they had to pull some shenanigans to win it for Bush). Someone else can.

I agree - worrying now, about how a candidate will be labeled by the right and their media echo chamber is pointless. Just look at Max Cleland. They are going to do it - and to some extent they will be effective.

But others have one despite the onslaught - and probably more than one of the current field can do it against it as well. Shoot for that rather than worrying about the onslaught - which is inevitable against any dem.

[carpetbagger]

42. True, but Dean labelled himself.

That may make the charges resonate mightily.

[southernfried]

10. like your parents told you

it's OK to question but remember whats importent: only southern democrats win the big one (Kennedy was an aboration, he was married to Jackie).

Stick with a winner !

[Ripley]

13. True colors.

Are you trying to say Kennedy was an "abortion" with your misspelling? What does being married to Jackie have to do with southern democrats?

Also, it is "important" not "importent."

[southernfried]

49. we could use spellcheck here as you can see

not abortion perhaps abboration is closer to the mark.

Jackie has nothing to do with southern democrats but she did a lot to get the female vote. And her general charm was mesmerizing.

[jbou]

17. latest poll numbers from newsweek show....

Dean is not just a dream he's a reality, him, Kerry, Lieberman, and Gephardt are all neck and neck.

July 2003 Jan 2003
Dean 12% 4%
Edwards 6% 13%
Gephardt 14% 13%
Kerry 10% 13%
Lieberman 13% 22%


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47871-2003Jul12.html

Dean is on his way to winning the primary, get on board folks, because we need to beat Bush!

[caledesi]

33. Agree. Dean is a leader.

First to really pounce on Bush.
First to mention the dreaded word CLINTON. Smart!
First to use the Internet to his advantage.
First to use Meetups...'nuff said.
First to respond to ANYTHING our pReisdent says.
(Hey, he's already got a timeline about the SOTU snafu).
First to stand strong on gay rights.
First to stand strong on universal health care.
First to stand strong on fiscal responsibility (ala Clinton)

This guy has the energy of a 20-year old.

[Kahuna]

39. Graham is the first to really hit bush where it hurts...

Remember, Graham accused Bush of a 9/11 coverup while Dean was yapping about the economy with the rest of the hoarde.

You want to see somebody besides Graham really hit him where it hurts? Watch Clark on "This Week" tomorrow.

[chaska]

20. You made the right decision

Just a couple comments: I'm from the state where Edwards was born. No on, even here in SC, knows who he is. He's too young. And there are a lot of other thngs that could be negatively attached to him.

That Cayahoga thing happened before Kucinich was on the scene. He has only slightly more chance than Edwards.

Clark will be on THIS WEEK w/ George S. Sunday morning on ABC. Watch it.

Clark in '04 - Unimpeachable Integrity

[Nashyra]

21. Can't wait to see Clark tommorrow morning

Maybe he will declare he's candidate.

[Kahuna]

23. Don't forget to set your VCRs Clark supporters...

We need to tape the general so that we can show people who he is and why we support him.

[betty boop]

25. Kahuna

Where, when, and how?

I'll watch it.

[Kahuna]

30. "This Week" on ABC with George Stephanopolus...

I'm in the NYC area where it comes on at 9:00am to 10:00am. Check your local listings or tell us what your viewing area is and and a DUer in your viewing area can let you know what time it comes on in your area.

Also if you have cable, you can probably go online to get your listings.

[betty boop]

31. Thanks

I'm from NY, too. NEW YORK CITY!

[jbou]

32. tomorrow morning on this wekk on ABC

Clark set himself up sweet, he gets to counter Rummy's interview.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld; retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, former NATO commander.


Airdate: July 13, 2003.

[Kahuna]

41. Really? That is sweet...

My electricity had better not fail tomorrow.

[Dear Prudence]

53. Edwards not really that young

He was born in 1954 - or close - I thought he just turned 50 and celebrated his birthday on the campaign trail.

Dean is slightly older than Bush by maybe 2 years.
I knew this and now I forget my exact numbers)

[caledesi]

26. Dean/Clark - problem solved.

I was originally for Edwards, then I really started listening to Dean and well, what can I say? I feel energized. I felt empowered. I felt as if I was not listening to a typical politician. So it's Dean for me. I like Wesley Clark as well; so it's Dean/Clark for me.

[betty boop]

35. caledesi

I'm new here, so please be nice, but may I suggest

CLARK/DEAN

[salin]

40. Only reason I would be hestitant with that order

is the lack of elected office experience and dealing with the political realities therein. The combination brings a great deal of strengths - but I would prefer the one with serious budget/budget cutting/balancing experience, dealing with heavy political issues (like when the state supreme court rules on a very controversial issue which suddenly becomes tagged as your issue), the one which has had to balance which issues are federal issues vs state issues vs local issues (in theory Bush SHOULD have had that - but a) he slept through his governorship and b) the Texas governorship is, I believe, by state constitution an exceptionally weak position -compared to the legislature).

While I am warming to Dean - I have long believed that the primary season is important and the more people running the better (forces more media coverage of democratic issues, and of criticisms of the GOP - which in today's media coverage is important since the media until late has not really questioned the bush administration). Thus, for me, it is too early to claim a candidate. However, I do think that administrative and political experience is important in the person at the top of the ticket. Not necessarily for electibility reasons - but for governing reasons.

[Kahuna]

43. Solution.. Clark/Graham...

Two experts in their respective fields...

I say to everyone who complains about Clark not having held political office, that the others have not served as NATO Allied Sumpreme Commander. And, that Clark's unique experience as SAC readies him to serve as Commander in Chief which is also a big part of being president.

[salin]

46. Would still reverse it

to Graham/Clark. While I hear you, I still would put the senatorial, gubenatorial and election experience first.

On issues I do not always agree with Graham - but I respect him a great deal. Same with Clark - but personally I would still be prone to put Graham on the top of such a ticket.

[chimpymustgo]

47. I like Clark, but I think he's running for VP. Edwards/Clark.

Clark would give any Dem instant credibility on national security (and they all need it).
Edwards has the best domestic issues and appeal. That would just be one helluva ticket.

[Kahuna]

54. People don't run for VP. Why do you all keep saying that?

who has ever run for VP?

[Dear Prudence]

51. Hi betty boop!

Dear Prudence here!

It's Dean/Clark for me, of course you already knew that! : )
I think Clark would be a better V.P. (most certainly would be the wining team) But Dean or Clark or both is the ticket!

I liked John Edwards in the wee beginning, but jumped on the Dean list really quick, although I like to listen to every candidate. You can learn a lot from each of their platforms. As an Ohioan, I think Kucinich's speeches are AWESOME.

[Eloriel]

48. sgr2

Question:

I like Dean for the job he's done energizing the base but I'm worried he'll be labeled too easilly. Dean is the longshot, dream candidate. Kind of like the chance to make the West Wing REAL life. It would be extremely hard to do, but who knows.


Where do you get these ideas about Dean? Really, I'd like to know.

Because I don't see anything in his campaign or in him that supports these notions (well, except the West Wing part. ;-) )

Are you just buying this from those pundits who are so misguded about Dean? Or -- what?

Eloriel

[ShaneGR]

50. It's not what I think

It's how the media portrays him, and sometimes I just get the feeling that he's a little bit stiff (tense) and might scare off people. Don't get me wrong, I like him. But from my standpoint, this isn't about who I like the most... it's about who can beat Bush. Because ANYTHING is better than Bush. Even Kucinich (Kucinich supporters take notice.) But, I just feel we need to take notice of who can easily beat him, not who might have a chance.

[Dear Prudence]

55. Dean TV

I think anyone who is leaning towards Dean should download Dean TV and watch everything he has, back to back. It's quite an experience. You get it all up front, no interuptions, and is absolutely the best way to get to know DEAN. http://www.howarddean.tv/

The media is starting to warm up . . . (when they allow themselves to stray from the Bush parade)

[newyawker99]

56. Hi Dear Prudence!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[AllYorBaseRBlong2USA]

58. Gotta say Dean is the man

I watched a enviornmental forum with him and the other guys and I have to say that Kerry was striking in his control and vibe.

However Dean seemed to be speaking like a reguler person and was still energizing. Dean seemed a bit more naterual in general. Yaknow it was like listening to my docter. I Will have to go 2 dean TV..

[Speed8098]

57. Edwards is the man

Just sit back and watch. He will be the front runner in the end, especially if Clark comes on board as VP.

Edwards is just what we need to get back to real life.

[chimpymustgo]

59. Right on, Speed8098. Edwards is about to take off.

His town hall meeting Monday was awesome. I hope C-Span will continue to televise them.

[OneTwentyoNine]

60. Sent Dean money,Kerry seems electable.....

I like what Dean has to say,Kerry is more known to the general public,served in VN etc. I really need to take more time and listen to both of them speak and make a decision.

All I know is that this country can't endure another four years of Chimpboy and then four or eight more of his lunatic brother. This has to stop next year.....


David