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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 01:35 AM
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we MUST end run the MSM and get this information out . . .
it should be posted on every website, written about in every magazine, and disseminated by every organization that opposes BushCo . . .

"Just 467 U.S. personnel were wounded in the three-week Persian Gulf War in 1990-1991. Out of 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are dead, and by 2000 there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. This astounding number of disabled vets means that a decade later, 56 percent of those soldiers who served now have medical problems."

the "Why?" is addressed in this aricle . . .

Depleted uranium: Dirty bombs, dirty missiles, dirty bullets:
A death sentence here and abroad


http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml

the American people MUST be made aware of this . . . what can we expect following THIS war? . . . during which infinitely MORE depleted uranium has been (and continues to be) used . . . what percentage of those serving will be dead or on permanent disability in five years? . . . or even next year? . . .




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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 01:58 AM
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1. kick n/t
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:02 AM
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2.  Recommended Topic for Greatest Page
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:04 AM
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3. Oh good lord, look at this--I am just sick
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 02:07 AM by Carolab
<snip>

Before a new weapons system can be used, it must be fully tested. The blueprint for depleted uranium weapons is a 1943 declassified document from the Manhattan Project.

Harvard President and physicist James B. Conant, who developed poison gas in World War I, was brought into the Manhattan Project by the father of presidential candidate John Kerry. Kerry’s father served at a high level in the Manhattan Project and was a CIA agent.

<snip>


Depleted uranium: Dirty bombs, dirty missiles, dirty bullets

A death sentence here and abroad

by Leuren Moret


At an April press conference, a group of New York Army National Guard vets raised their hands when asked if they have health problems. The soldiers, all from the 442nd Military Police Company, are complaining of headaches and fatigue after what they think is exposure to depleted uranium during their recent tour in Iraq.
Photo: www.american
freepress.net
“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger, quoted in “Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW’s in Vietnam”

Vietnam was a chemical war for oil, permanently contaminating large regions and countries downriver with Agent Orange, and environmentally the most devastating war in world history. But since 1991, the U.S. has staged four nuclear wars using depleted uranium weaponry, which, like Agent Orange, meets the U.S. government definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Vast regions in the Middle East and Central Asia have been permanently contaminated with radiation.

And what about our soldiers? Terry Jemison of the Department of Veterans Affairs reported this week to the American Free Press that “Gulf-era veterans” now on medical disability since 1991 number 518,739, with only 7,035 reported wounded in Iraq in that same 14-year period.

This week the American Free Press dropped a “dirty bomb” on the Pentagon by reporting that eight out of 20 men who served in one unit in the 2003 U.S. military offensive in Iraq now have malignancies. That means that 40 percent of the soldiers in that unit have developed malignancies in just 16 months.

Since these soldiers were exposed to vaccines and depleted uranium (DU) only, this is strong evidence for researchers and scientists working on this issue, that DU is the definitive cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Vaccines are not known to cause cancer. One of the first published researchers on Gulf War Syndrome, who also served in 1991 in Iraq, Dr. Andras Korényi-Both, is in agreement with Barbara Goodno from the Department of Defense’s Deployment Health Support Directorate, that in this war soldiers were not exposed to chemicals, pesticides, bioagents or other suspect causes this time to confuse the issue.

This powerful new evidence is blowing holes in the cover-up perpetrated by the Pentagon and three presidential administrations ever since DU was first used in 1991 in the Persian Gulf War. Fourteen years after the introduction of DU on the battlefield in 1991, the long-term effects have revealed that DU is a death sentence and very nasty stuff.

Scientists studying the biological effects of uranium in the 1960s reported that it targets the DNA. Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist retired from the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and formerly involved with the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in soldiers from the 2003 war as “spectacular … and a matter of concern.”

This evidence shows that of the three effects which DU has on biological systems - radiation, chemical and particulate – the particulate effect from nano-size particles is the most dominant one immediately after exposure and targets the Master Code in the DNA. This is bad news, but it explains why DU causes a myriad of diseases which are difficult to define.

In simple words, DU “trashes the body.” When asked if the main purpose for using it was for destroying things and killing people, Fulk was more specific: “I would say that it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people.”

Soldiers developing malignancies so quickly since 2003 can be expected to develop multiple cancers from independent causes. This phenomenon has been reported by doctors in hospitals treating civilians following NATO bombing with DU in Yugoslavia in 1998-1999 and the U.S. military invasion of Iraq using DU for the first time in 1991. Medical experts report that this phenomenon of multiple malignancies from unrelated causes has been unknown until now and is a new syndrome associated with internal DU exposure.

Just 467 U.S. personnel were wounded in the three-week Persian Gulf War in 1990-1991. Out of 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are dead, and by 2000 there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. This astounding number of disabled vets means that a decade later, 56 percent of those soldiers who served now have medical problems.

The number of disabled vets reported up to 2000 has been increasing by 43,000 every year. Brad Flohr of the Department of Veterans Affairs told American Free Press that he believes there are more disabled vets now than even after World War II.

They brought it home

Not only were soldiers exposed to DU on and off the battlefields, but they brought it home. DU in the semen of soldiers internally contaminated their wives, partners and girlfriends. Tragically, some women in their 20s and 30s who were sexual partners of exposed soldiers developed endometriosis and were forced to have hysterectomies because of health problems.

In a group of 251 soldiers from a study group in Mississippi who had all had normal babies before the Gulf War, 67 percent of their post-war babies were born with severe birth defects. They were born with missing legs, arms, organs or eyes or had immune system and blood diseases. In some veterans’ families now, the only normal or healthy members of the family are the children born before the war.

The Department of Veterans Affairs has stated that they do not keep records of birth defects occurring in families of veterans.

How did they hide it?

Before a new weapons system can be used, it must be fully tested. The blueprint for depleted uranium weapons is a 1943 declassified document from the Manhattan Project.

Harvard President and physicist James B. Conant, who developed poison gas in World War I, was brought into the Manhattan Project by the father of presidential candidate John Kerry. Kerry’s father served at a high level in the Manhattan Project and was a CIA agent.

Conant was chair of the S-1 Poison Gas Committee, which recommended developing poison gas weapons from the radioactive trash of the atomic bomb project in World War II. At that time, it was known that radioactive materials dispersed in bombs from the air, from land vehicles or on the battlefield produced very fine radioactive dust which would penetrate all protective clothing, any gas mask or filter or the skin. By contaminating the lungs and blood, it could kill or cause illness very quickly.

They also recommended it as a permanent terrain contaminant, which could be used to destroy populations by contaminating water supplies and agricultural land with the radioactive dust.

The first DU weapons system was developed for the Navy in 1968, and DU weapons were given to and used by Israel in 1973 under U.S. supervision in the Yom Kippur war against the Arabs.

The Phalanx weapons system, using DU, was tested on the USS Bigelow out of Hunters Point Naval Shipyard in 1977, and DU weapons have been sold by the U.S. to 29 countries.

Military research report summaries detail the testing of DU from 1974-1999 at military testing grounds, bombing and gunnery ranges and at civilian labs under contract. Today 42 states are contaminated with DU from manufacture, testing and deployment.

Women living around these facilities have reported increases in endometriosis, birth defects in babies, leukemia in children and cancers and other diseases in adults. Thousands of tons of DU weapons tested for decades by the Navy on four bombing and gunnery ranges around Fallon, Nevada, is no doubt the cause of the fastest growing leukemia cluster in the U.S. over the past decade. The military denies that DU is the cause.

The medical profession has been active in the cover-up - just as they were in hiding the effects from the American public - of low level radiation from atmospheric testing and nuclear power plants. A medical doctor in Northern California reported being trained by the Pentagon with other doctors, months before the 2003 war started, to diagnose and treat soldiers returning from the 2003 war for mental problems only.

Medical professionals in hospitals and facilities treating returning soldiers were threatened with $10,000 fines if they talked about the soldiers or their medical problems. They were also threatened with jail.

Reporters have also been prevented access to more than 14,000 medically evacuated soldiers flown nightly since the 2003 war in C-150s from Germany who are brought to Walter Reed Hospital near Washington, D.C.

Dr. Robert Gould, former president of the Bay Area chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR), has contacted three medical doctors since February 2004, after I had been invited to speak about DU. Dr. Katharine Thomasson, president of the Oregon chapter of the PSR, informed me that Dr. Gould had contacted her and tried to convince her to cancel her invitation for me to speak about DU at Portland State University on April 12. Although I was able to do a presentation, Dr. Thomasson told me I could only talk about DU in Oregon “and nothing overseas … nothing political.”

Dr. Gould also contacted and discouraged Dr. Ross Wilcox in Toronto, Canada, from inviting me to speak to Physicians for Global Survival (PGS), the Canadian equivalent of PSR, several months later. When that didn’t work, he contacted Dr. Allan Connoly, the Canadian national president of PGS, who was able to cancel my invitation and nearly succeeded in preventing Dr. Wilcox, his own member, from showing photos and presenting details on civilians suffering from DU exposure and cancer provided to him by doctors in southern Iraq.

Dr. Janette Sherman, a former and long-standing member of PSR, reported that she finally quit some time after being invited to lunch by a new PSR executive administrator. After the woman had pumped Dr. Sherman for information all through lunch about her position on key issues, the woman informed Dr. Sherman that her last job had been with the CIA.

How was the truth about DU hidden from military personnel serving in successive DU wars? Before his tragic death, Sen. Paul Wellstone informed Joyce Riley, R.N., B.S.N., executive director of the American Gulf War Veterans Association, that 95 percent of Gulf War veterans had been recycled out of the military by 1995. Any of those continuing in military service were isolated from each other, preventing critical information being transferred to new troops. The “next DU war” had already been planned, and those planning it wanted “no skunk at the garden party.”

The US has a dirty (DU) little (CIA) secret

A new book just published at the American Free Press by Michael Collins Piper, “The High Priests of War: The Secret History of How America’s Neo-Conservative Trotskyites Came to Power and Orchestrated the War Against Iraq as the First Step in Their Drive for Global Empire,” details the early plans for a war against the Arab world by Henry Kissinger and the neo-cons in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That just happens to coincide with getting the DU “show on the road” and the oil crisis in the Middle East, which caused concern not only to President Nixon. The British had been plotting and scheming for control of the oil in Iraq for decades since first using poison gas on the Iraqis and Kurds in 1912.

The book details the creation of the neo-cons by their “godfather” and Trotsky lover Irving Kristol, who pushed for a “war against terrorism” long before 9/11 and was lavishly funded for years by the CIA. His son, William Kristol, is one of the most influential men in the United States.

Both are public relations men for the Israeli lobby’s neo-conservative network, with strong ties to Rupert Murdoch. Kissinger also has ties to this network and the Carlyle Group, who, one could say, have facilitated these omnicidal wars beginning from the time former President Bush took office. It would be easy to say that we are recycling World Wars I and II, with the same faces.

When I asked Vietnam Special Ops Green Beret Capt. John McCarthy, who could have devised this omnicidal plan to use DU to destroy the genetic code and genetic future of large populations of Arabs and Moslems in the Middle East and Central Asia - just coincidentally the areas where most of the world’s oil deposits are located - he replied: “It has all the handprints of Henry Kissinger.”

In Zbignew Brzezinski’s book “The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives,” the map of the Eurasian chessboard includes four regions strategic to U.S. foreign policy. The “South” region corresponds precisely to the regions now contaminated permanently with radiation from U.S. bombs, missiles and bullets made with thousands of tons of DU.

A Japanese professor, Dr. K. Yagasaki, has calculated that 800 tons of DU is the atomicity equivalent of 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The U.S. has used more DU since 1991 than the atomicity equivalent of 400,000 Nagasaki bombs. Four nuclear wars indeed, and 10 times the amount of radiation released into the atmosphere from atmospheric testing!

No wonder our soldiers, their families and the people of the Middle East, Yugoslavia and Central Asia are sick. But as Henry Kissinger said after Vietnam when our soldiers came home ill from Agent Orange, “Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used for foreign policy.”

Unfortunately, more and more of those soldiers are men and women with brown skin. And unfortunately, the DU radioactive dust will be carried around the world and deposited in our environments just as the “smog of war” from the 1991 Gulf War was found in deposits in South America, the Himalayas and Hawaii.

In June 2003, the World Health Organization announced in a press release that global cancer rates will increase 50 percent by 2020. What else do they know that they aren’t telling us? I know that depleted uranium is a death sentence … for all of us. We will all die in silent ways.


To learn more

Sources used in this story that readers are encouraged to consult:

American Free Press four-part series on DU by

Christopher Bollyn.

Part I: "Depleted Uranium: U.S. Commits War Crime

Against Iraq, Humanity,"

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/depleted_uranium.html

Part II: "Cancer Epidemic Caused by U.S. WMD: MD Says

Depleted Uranium Definitively

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/cancer_epidemic_.html

Part III: "DU Syndrome Stricken Vets Denied Care:

Pentagon Hides DU Dangers to Deny Medical Care to

Vets",

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/du_syndrome.html

Part IV: "Pentagon Brass Suppresses Truth About Toxic

Weapons: Poisonous Uranium Munitions Threaten World",

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/pentagon_brass.html



August 2004 World Affairs Journal. Leuren Moret:

"Depleted Uranium: The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War,"

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/DU-Trojan-Horse1jul04.htm



August 2004 Coastal Post Online. Carol Sterrit: "Marin

Depleted Uranium Resolution Heats Up - GI's Will Come

Home To A Slow Death,"

http://www.coastalpost.com/04/08/01.htm



World Depleted Uranium Weapons Conference, Hamburg,

Germany, October 16-19, 2004:

http://www.uraniumweaponsconference.de/speakers.htm



International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan.

Written opinion of Judge Niloufer Baghwat:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Afghanistan-Criminal-Tribunal10mar0

4.htm



"Discounted Casualties: The Human Cost of Nuclear War"

by Akira Tashiro, foreword by Leuren Moret,

http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/abom/uran/index_e.html

Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who has worked around the world on radiation issues, educating citizens, the media, members of parliaments and Congress and other officials. She became a whistleblower in 1991 at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab after experiencing major science fraud on the Yucca Mountain Project. An environmental commissioner in the City of Berkeley, she can be reached at leurenmoret@yahoo.com.

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:47 AM
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20. This is unfuckingreal - needs to be all over the news
The shit just keeps getting worse. Where is the media?!?!
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:18 AM
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27. What media?
Don't hold your breath! Yesterday at the protest every single person I spoke to said the internet was their primary news source. Coincidence? I think not!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:21 PM
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43. What Media, is right! My Setiments, exactly!
The only creditable NEWS is OUT HERE!

No wonder Bushie wants to stop bloggers. The propoganda pushers is all that's left from CNN on down to MSNBC and FAUX; they and their faithful followers remind me of the PIED PIPER and the mindless mice following them right off their arrogant piers.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 09:25 AM
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48. Please keep that American Free Press Garbage out of a legitimate topic.
We can do without citing to Nazis.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:12 AM
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4. The ground war lasted only a few days in the first Gulf War.
The ground troops didn't get that much opportunity to fire their rounds made of depleted uranium. Could this short amount of exposure really be responsible for their illness? If so, then the troops who are being overworked in Iraq today are basically doomed.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #4
16. You remember all those Iraqi tanks we blew up back then?
Those where ALL killed with DU tipped shells or Bullets fired from either the A-10 "Warthog" with is 30mm rapid fire Cannon or the 105mm Cannon on the M1A1 Tank, both use DU tipped ammo.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:16 AM
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5. I was about to nominate this for "greatest"
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 02:18 AM by Syrinx
But now I hesitate. After glancing at the website, I wonder about the numbers.

This is clearly an anti-white, NOI hate site.

Please repeat the post when you have a better source.

EDIT: Or is it an anti-black aryan-power parody site?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:28 AM
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6. huh? . . .
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 02:30 AM by OneBlueSky
seems to me to be a legitimate black newpaper with an empowerment focus . . . where do you see it being a hate site? . . .

http://www.sfbayview.com/

on edit: and I've seen these figures elsewhere including, I believe, in the Washington Post . . . just can't put my finger on the other sources right now . . .
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:48 AM
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9. just click on a few of the links
It's the "white man" this and the "white man" that. Continually demonizing the "white man" is not "empowering" anyone. We all need to come together and treat each other as equals.

They exalt Farrakhan. He's no better than David Duke; he's just as hateful and non-progressive. Maybe worse -- they "veil" their women just like the Saudis do.

The NOI is listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group just as the Klan is. And that is as it should be.

Duke and Farrakhan are in the same category.


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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:26 AM
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33. well, I disagree with your characterization . . . but if you'd prefer . .
a different source, try this one . . .

DEMOCRACY BETRAYED
The horror of Depleted Uranium is not limited to Iraq – it may well
be at our doorsteps. The information which some governments
are concealing is presented here.

http://www.caduceus.info/articles/denver.htm

or this one . . .

Depleted Uranium (DU): Main Cause of the Gulf War Syndrome
http://www.umdfacultyagainstwar.com/~bmcclure/archives/96_Depleted_Uranium_DU_Main_Cause_of_the_Gulf_War_Syndrome.html#extended

if you need more, just ask . . .

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:18 AM
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46. I'm familiar with that other DU
And I didn't mean to sound adversarial. It's just that you posted some very shocking statistics, sourcing what I find to be a highly dubious website.

Even if the numbers aren't perfect, thank you for bringing more light to the very real issue of depleted uranium.

Peace, and sorry if my tone sounded harsher than I intended.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:32 AM
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7. Well, Good Luck getting past the Filter
The U.S. Government has had the Dis-Info going full out for years now. It's going to be like turning around a Super Tanker.

God's Speed:hippie:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:44 AM
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8. We're spreading "democracy" with a death sentence.
Depleted uranium and napalm.

Not in our name.

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. I agree with the sentiment of your post
But I reject black racists just as strongly as I do white racists. They are all scum bastards. And I would hope that everyone here would agree with me. Even wiggers.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. On the way, we'll come across people who are wrong
who are hateful, who we can't possibly support.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. yes
I can't possibly disagree with that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #14
22. And we won't let them stop us from searching for truth,
peace,
Beth
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. I'm with you.
I didn't catch the source either. Still the issue is under reported.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. How about The Christian Science Monitor, do you agree with them?
Here's a link to some articles they've been doing for years

<http://www.csmonitor.com/atcsmonitor/specials/uranium/index.html?leftNavInclude>

I have other links at my post below.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Thanks for additional sources! n/t
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. Actually, I don't agree sight-unseen with with the CSM
But they are a step up. Thanks for the link. I'll try to remember to look tomorrow. :thumbsup:
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:08 AM
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24. delete
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 04:56 AM by slay
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:07 AM
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10. This was on a topic here last month or so
Do a search on depleted uranium and it should provide you with a link.
I would but I don't have a star.
Good luck.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. links to recent discussions
Heads roll at VA (11,000 usa gulf war dead from Depleted Uranium)
Mon Feb-28-05 10:39 AM
Original Poster: Monkie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=109556

note: link within thread provided by TexasLawyer to the following health discussion site:

Gulf War Syndrome
http://www.healthboards.com/gulf-war-syndrome/658.html (no longer viable) - please redirect to:
Gulf War Syndrome
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?s=24b1e1ac882660cf4234805bf5aa5455&f=60

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The Silent Genocide from America
Sun Feb-27-05 02:58 PM
Original Poster: True_Blue
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=109375

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US Military, President - Out of Control
Tue Feb-22-05 04:25 PM
Original Poster: Jester_11218
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=108222#108866

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The horror of Depleted Uranium is not limited to Iraq
Sat Jan-22-05 11:58 PM
Original Poster: indigobusiness
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=19051

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Hey nnadir, can you tell us about radioactivity vs toxicology in DU?
Sat Dec-18-04 11:51 PM
Original Poster: Massacure
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=17982

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Depleted Uranium? Family Seems to think so...
Wed Dec-29-04 08:54 PM
Original Poster: camby
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=259&topic_id=142

note: link within thread provided by Dr.Phool to the following article:

The Pentagon's Radioactive Bullet
August 23, 2001
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=19961021&c=1&s=19961021mesler
related articles are also linked at the above site
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:26 AM
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32. Thanks for posting. eom
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:10 AM
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13. If these numbers are not scary enough, I have a links to pictures
Warning: These Pictures are NOT pretty and they are the results of the Depleted Uranium from the First Gulf War.

The Results of the Use of Depleted Uranium

This is the website those came from:
Pictures That bush Does Not Want You To See

Here's some stories from The Christian Science Monitor
The Trail of a Bullet series

This is a 4 page Hand out about DU <http://www.iacenter.org/images/du-703.pdf>

There is a lot of info at this link
DEPLETED URANIUM EDUCATION PROJECT

Peace:hippie:
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:23 AM
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15.  Reading what is on a site is alot different than researching
the whole bunk-de-bunk bunk -de bunk process makes for some long work.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:42 AM
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19. Hmmm. I tried to bring up this difference:
Reading vs. endorsing without much success.

I guess my point is, when we start censoring our reading, we put walls around our thinking,
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:38 AM
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25. Tungsten: One alternative to a risky 'favorite round'?
(This article, from "The Christian Science Monitor" is incredible, here are just SOME of the highlights)

Scott Peterson,
Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

IN THE CENTRAL KUWAITI DESERT - Never mind any radioactive hazards, America's tank gunners seem to agree on one thing: They are safer in battle because their firing chambers are loaded with depleted-uranium (DU) bullets...

(clip)

...The US Navy may have had different thoughts. It has switched to another heavy metal, tungsten, that is only a fraction as toxic and not at all radioactive.

The Navy "quietly evaluated the downside of using DU in its Phalanx Gatling gun" and in 1989 decided to switch to tungsten, notes military analyst Bill Arkin...

(clip)

...And unlike tungsten, DU is cheap. The US nuclear industry has amassed 1.2 billion pounds of DU since the Manhattan Project of the 1940s, and it is given away almost free of charge to weaponsmakers - a big bonus for the cost-conscious military. But tungsten must be paid for, and half the US supply currently comes from China.

(more at link)

<http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/04/30/fp8s2-csm.shtml>
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 05:12 AM
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26. kick - because this is wayyyy more important than the other distractions
kick
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:32 AM
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28. Thanks for the post...
Thank you for posting this. Some of the truth about Depleted Uranium is finally getting out. As people look back a 100 years from now, they will be amazed how blatantly stupid this administration was and wonder how so many people actually believed and followed them even when shown the truth.

:toast:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:36 AM
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29. That first paragraph is devastating!
A paraphrase needs to be the thread title to help give it maximum visibility!

Iraq War I = 467 wounded then, 11,000 dead now.
Iraw War II = ?

(How many were killed in the initial action in Iraq War I?)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:33 AM
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34. I think it was right around 150 U.S. Military Killed in a 100 Hour War
Nominating for Greatest:nuke:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 12:17 PM
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35. Here's One good source for the "history" of the 1991 Gulf War
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 12:18 PM by Up2Late
I don't know how accurate this guys page is, but does have a link to a page that looks to compile all the "Gulf War Syndrome" reports and websites.

The History Guy: The Persian Gulf War (1990-1991)

Gulf War Syndrome
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:48 AM
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31. OMG
I'm speechless...
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 12:32 PM
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37. 100 years from now, there will be no one left to look back...
I've been aware of this for years. Of ALL the stuff that's been going down in the recent past, this is absolutely the MOST ghastly, horrifying, gut-wrenching story out there.
The incredible stupidity of this sad lil' delusional culture of ours is now metastasising at frightening speed. Our govt is behaving like one immense suicide bomber; it's willing to kill us ALL, in order to kill all of them.
Thanks for posting this; more people need to know...
THIS IS NO GAME.


"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 12:30 PM
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36. This dirty secret has been ignored by the media and public for too long
email it to all of your friends (and enemies)
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 02:13 PM
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38. kick
for discussion

:kick:
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:55 PM
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40. Kick
:kick:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 03:51 PM
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39. I keep thinking of those US zombies and collaorators in the GZ
in this war thay used the same fucking things and probably a LOT more of it in Baghdad. Do negroponte and Allawi and the rest of those stooges think they are imune to that shit?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:54 PM
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41. Kick for Bear
For a good friend of mine, a Gulf War Vet, who knows first-hand the effects of DU.

:mad:

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dw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:45 PM
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42. This is the picture that did it for me...
From the very first day of George's war. May he burn in hell for what he did to this girl, alone:

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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:40 PM
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44. Kicking and will send some e-mails to the MSM tonight!!
Try your local newspapers also. I almost want to pay for an ad in the my local newspaper but I can't afford it.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:04 PM
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45. Leuren Moret was in New Orleans for the march. I met her.
I mentioned DU and some of the other sites that I frequent. She was very interested.

One area that we need to push is to DEMAND Depleted Uranium testing for all Gulf War Vets.

She is a past president of the Association for Women Geoscientist (http://www.awg.org.)

She mentioned that San Francisco Bay Biew Newspaper will accept letters and articles.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 09:33 AM
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49. Did you ask her why she's collaborating with NAZIS?
She has a Swastika on her arm, as far as I'm concerned.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:52 PM
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50. How so? She talked about Depleted Uranium and the harm it was doing
to the environment.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:56 PM
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51. The article she wrote was in the American Free Press--which is run
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 06:01 PM by geek tragedy
by Holocaust deniers and Fascists--namely Willis Carto.

I don't have much faith in investigative journalists who work for Nazis. Either they're severely ethically challenged, or incompetent.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:11 PM
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52. She also ran one in the
San Francisco Bay View - National Black Newspaper of the Year. She writes everyone about Depleted Uranium, including the fringes like the American Free Press.

She is a geologist, not a journalist. She writes letters about what she is learning.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:10 PM
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53. The Bay Review is a borderline hate rag itself. And collaboration is stil
collaboration.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:51 AM
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47. kick n/t
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