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Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 09:42 PM by Jackson4Gore
As you know from my other thread, I am a big fan of Bill's. I also am a big fan of the first admendment. However, I do disagree in premise with what he is saying, he is somewhat right. Nevertheless, in my view, the ends don't justify the means.
Alot of folks here have yet to even hear or read what exactly Bill has said. All they are saying is, "He drank the Kool-Aide", which is false. If you watch his show you would know he bashes the right wing more than anyone on television.
Here is what he said:
"But look – I agree with, I’m sure, you and you and, I don’t know, maybe you, that I didn’t like that he lied to get us into this war. I certainly didn’t like that it was conducted in such an incompetent way. But now that he’s morphed the script from what it was in 2003 to “I’m the Johnny Appleseed of democracy——and we want to bring freedom to the world.” I like that script better, I have to say. I know it was bullshit how we got there. But this script I like better. And it sounds exactly like the script that Carter used to say: human rights, remember that? You can’t hate it when Carter and Kennedy said it and – I mean loved it when they said it and hate it when Bush says it. It’s the same thing."
"Well, I've been saying you can't hate Bush first. You've got to go by the facts first."
More:
"And I said, that's not fair, because, first of all, I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool liberal. I have a lot of positions that are conservative. And I've also been supportive of President Bush now that I think Iraq is turning around.
I'm one of those liberals who said, you know what? You can't work backwards from, I hate Bush, from everything he does, says and smirks, to, here is another bad thing he did. I said, you know what? This is turning out OK in Iraq. He had a bigger and better idea than the most of us. And you have to give up credit for that.
I don't think it -- well, it is partly lucky, because he knew just little enough to imagine a different kind of world. He is a big thinker, Wolf.
You know, with this guy, we thought he was not that bright. But he thinks 100 years ahead, this, Social Security. Bush is so far ahead, I can't even see him. He's just like a little speck on the horizon. But you know what? I'm kidding, but, on the other hand, this plan with the Middle East, I do think it is taking root. I do think that we may have reached the tipping point and there's no turning back.
And this is the guy who nobody else was looking to do this. Not one other person in America was saying, you know what? After 9/11, we have got to go into Iraq. It's just that he lied to get us there. If he could have just been real about it and said, this is why we're doing it, instead of trying to scare us that Saddam Hussein had a death ray and all that stuff.
But you know what? Maybe every war is like that. Maybe you always have to lie to people to get them to go to war."
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