Question re Terri Schiavo

[Valerie5555]

If anyone is so sure this Terri really WANTED TO DIE, I wonder why she supposedly "freaked out" and tried to get up out of her bed, chair or wheelchair when some therapist told her that she better work with them and be as dedicated as she could to the clandestine, "revolutionary" therapy her family was doing with her, about the LAST time she had her feeding tube pulled.


I also wondered why she also appeared :scared: and :cry:ing when she tried to tell her family's lawyer she did NOT want the feeding tube pulled this time around and she couldn't quite say it.



http://www.worldnetdaily.com

http://www.theempirejournal.com

[BlueEyedSon]

1. You saw this WHEN, exactly....?

[Valerie5555]

3. Had seen the Empire Journal article only earlier today

eom.


The World Net Daily article was from October 2003, the last time she had her feeding tube pulled, btw.

[BlueEyedSon]

So you did not personally see these alleged "events"?

[shrub chipper]

2. Are you REALLY

posting a link to worldnetdaily to buttress your case?

[Valerie5555]

5. Wonder if that publication is too "right wing" for us.

eom.

[shrub chipper]

9. I would hope so if the following is an example

Michael Schiavo attacks politicians
'They should be ashamed of themselves – leave my wife alone, leave me alone'
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Terri's mother pleads for daughter's life
Mary Schindler begging 'please save my little girl'
--Associated Press
WorldNetDaily
Attorney: Terri cried at news
Claims brain-injured woman yelled, said she wants to live
--WND
Florida judge embroiled in Schiavo dispute
Legally-blind jurist quit church over criticism, has police protection
--New York Times
Congress pursues Schiavo-case legislation
Efforts underway to bring House, Senate into session today to pass measure
--Associated Press
WorldNetDaily
Starvation begins for Terri Schiavo
Court order removes feeding tube despite House subpoenas
--WND
Mom convinced son in 22-year coma understood
'They're still there – they're not in a vegetative state'
--South Florida Sun-Sentinel
WND.COMMENTARY
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Exclusive: Rabbi Shmuley Boteach compares Terri's tube removal to Hitlerism
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[ima_sinnic]

4. oh right

. . . in your dreams

[sonicx]

6. stop reading WND.

What about the Schindlers' claims that Terri is conscious and responds to stimulation?

When the Second District first reviewed the trial court's decision that Terri would chose not to live under her present circumstances, the appellate court expressed no reservations when it explained that Terri was and "will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others…" In October, 2002, as a result of Terri's parents' claims that treatment options offered promise to restore some of Terri's cognitive functioning, the Second District ordered the trial court to hold a trial on that issue. The trial court did so, and in the course of that trial the parties litigated whether Terri is in a persistent vegetative state.

The trial court heard testimony from five experts: two selected by Michael, two selected by the Schindlers, and one independent expert selected by the trial court. The two experts selected by Michael and the independent expert agreed that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and that her actions were limited to mere reflexes. The two experts chosen by the Schindlers disagreed, but the trial court found their positions not credible. For instance, the trial court explained:

At first blush, the video of Terry Schiavo appearing to smile and look lovingly at her mother seemed to represent cognition. This was also true for how she followed the Mickey Mouse balloon held by her father. The court has carefully viewed the videotapes as requested by counsel and does find that these actions were neither consistent nor reproducible. For instance, Terry Schiavo appeared to have the same look on her face when Dr. Cranford rubbed her neck. Dr. Greer testified she had a smile during his (non-videoed) examination.

Also, Mr. Schindler tried several more times to have her eyes follow the Mickey Mouse balloon but without success. Also, she clearly does not consistently respond to her mother. The court finds that based on the credible evidence, cognitive function would manifest itself in a constant response to stimuli.

The experts also disagreed about whether any treatment could improve Terri's condition. The two experts selected by the Schindlers each proposed a potential therapy method, but the trial court rejected both of them based on "the total absence of supporting case studies or medical literature."

Affirming those decisions, the Second District explained that it, too, reviewed the videotapes of Terri in their entirety as well as Terri's brain scans. The appellate court explained that it not only affirmed the decision but that, were it to review the evidence and make its own decision, the court would reach the same result reached by the trial court.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html#qanda

[cynatnite]

7. I sew Jerry Falwell and I got the hell scared out of me

Do you have any credible sources to back up your information?

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Utter nonsense...

without a cerebral cortex, one is INCAPABLE of thought, emotion, or reaction.

[beam me up scottie]

10. "EVIL MOLE PEOPLE FOUND IN WYOMING"

"Because not only do they speak and read English with surprising fluency, but their lairs are littered with books and manuals on waging biological warfare and making crude nuclear weapons -- and they hate Americans."

http://weeklyworldnews.com/features/prophecy/60452

[BlueEyedSon]

12. Wrong site, it was world net daily or something....

[beam me up scottie]

13. I know.

I was being sarcastic.
:evilgrin:

[sonicx]

14. I see no difference...

:D

[beam me up scottie]

17. you got it!

nt

[BlueEyedSon]

18. 8^)

[beam me up scottie]

20. Seriously, it's a wickedly

funny site. Check it out if you need a laugh. (actually, I could say the same about wnd )

[Walt Starr]

11. Lies, lies, more lies, and Reichwing propaganda

Why are you quoting Reichwing propaganda sites to support your position?

[KC21304]

15. Why don't you read this instead and

have all the facts instead of the swift liars version?

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf

It's a little long but well worth it.

[sonicx]

16. oh and please! read this...

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/10/Tampabay/Schiavo_tapes__snippe.shtml

[rodeodance]

22. misinformation/lies is the gold standard of the RW.

[mondo joe]

19. Don't forget Batboy and the Boys Who Cried Rocks who were in

the next room.

[ClintonTyree]

21. If the Shaivo's want to keep her alive.................

let them take her home and care for her. If she's in the condition they claim she is, there shouldn't be a problem, correct?

End of story. Either take her home and care for her, or take out the tube.

[magellan]

23. Exactly. Why should anyone believe

...the neurologists who have been personally involved with Terri's care and the courts that have ruled on the matter several times over the last FIFTEEN YEARS?!?!

People need to get their freakin' heads on straight.