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JackD76 Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:51 AM
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Is It Possible To Win in 2006 or 2008?
How can we win any more senate seats or house seats or even the presidency, if the republicans can keep rigging elections? We talk about retaking the house and senate in 2006 but is it even possible with bush in charge? Are we going to have 30 democrats left in the senate by 2010 or 115 in the house? Are the republicans going to win every presidential election for the next 20 years? If we ignore exit polling like we did in the last election, then they can win any election they want. How do we know that in 2008, Bush's approval is at 32% and the republican candidate wins by a landslide, along with the congressional republicans? Is it even possible for the democrats to win?
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:56 AM
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1. Not only possible but probable
many people are waking up to the way the pukes are trying to steal the country and most are feeling it where it hurts, in their wallet. To tell you the truth there are some Demo congressmen I'd like to see replaced even if by a Rep.
I've always been optimistic though.
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Dave Sund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:03 AM
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2. Social Security
If the Republicans keep pushing this, they WILL lose in 2006.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:04 AM
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3. No. Not until we get control of voting and voting machines.
The Republicans will just pull the same shit they did in 2004, in 2002 and in 2000. They don't plan on give up power again. Ever.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:39 AM
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19. The KEY is counting the vote --
the GOP knows if they control the vote count and the voting machines and the central tabulators -- THEY WIN.

I don't know what the democratic leadership is ignoring this issue.

People ARE voting democratic -- and it doesn't matter how many people we register and how many people we get to the polls -- unless there is a fair, open and bi-partisan vote count -- we might as well just save our money and not bother to vote. Hell if we all stayed home -- the asshole in charge will pad the vote to make it look like we showed up anyway. They will vote for us.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:12 AM
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4. We Didn't ignore the Exit Polls here
We were frantic in the 2004 Election Results Forum

Media Reform is the Key, click the link on my Signature Line and sign the petition.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:22 AM
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5. It really does depend on social security...
If Bush gets his ass kicked on social security, we have a very good chance.
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kirchaleo Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:31 AM
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6. We need to win
If we can get verified paper trails of voting, and keep watching the process, and reporting what we see, there is some hope. The Senate had a bill for election reform, but I don't know where that's gone at this point. It would have made verifiable voting necessary.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:44 AM
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7. No
Fraud trumps all--we can't win til its fixed.
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:55 AM
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8. Yep, as a matter of fact, I think that we will win in '06 and beyond
Why? Bush will lose on Social Security, people will be tired of the never ending war and the economy will be in the tank. When the economy goes bad and gas prices are at an all time high, the Repuke base will turn on its leaders.

Gas prices are one of the keys. Many people who supported the war did so thinking that gas prices would go down if America controlled Iraq (yes, that is an evil reason to support a war but people think that way). Well, gas prices have gone up which will start to create doubt in people's minds. I say that the Democrats are position to do well in the upcoming elections.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:01 AM
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9. I will pray
that you are right
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HamstersFromHell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:37 AM
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10. I think you're right.
Bush has repeatedly chewed up and spat out those he pandered to when he needed them...the AARP for the most recent example.

Now, thanks to she Schiavo case, his base is calling in his debt, and it's something he'll be unable to deliver, just as he's failed them on Roe v. Wade, Constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. (They'll scream "activist judge!", but all we have to do is merely point out is Greer's a Republican. Let 'em eat their own for a while.)

The economy is tanking, gas is getting more expensive rather than cheaper, we're 1500% over budget and two years behind schedule for his war, and he's willing to screw the over 40 crowd to try to fill the pockets of his political cronies on SS "reform".

If the fundies abandon him, he's screwed, as I figure they'll try a third party (I can't see 'em going democrat, Pat Roberson in '08 for the jeebus party?), and a goodly portion of his former supporters will become to the GOP what Nader was to the dems, just a vote drain against them.

Once fragmented, the ultra right wing fundies no longer have a pull in the GOP and they'll have to revert back to a more paleo-conservative party and a lot closer to the middle of the road. They'll hold some seats by becoming more moderate, and the fundies will be done as a political power. Either way, once divided, the GOP isn't a majority.

My dad owned his own business, and one thing he always said kinda applies here:

"You can't make a living screwing everyone one time." I think the little shrub and the neocons are fixing to find this out the hard way.


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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:44 AM
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13. Activist judges
I think it was pointed out that on the Massachusetts Supreme Court that was so activist and "imposed" gay marriage on Massachusetts that 5 of the 7 judges on the court were appointed by Republicans.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:51 AM
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11. cry all you want about SS-fraud is fraud-especially with no trail
no folks the party is indeed over unless we have accurate and honest elections
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:04 AM
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12. We will not win again until such time
as all votes are verifiable and are counted accurately and fairly. Period, end of statement, end of discussion. The party can talk all it wants about this "issue" or that "issue," but until it addresses and deals with VOTE FRAUD and STOLEN ELECTIONS, it will never. win. again.

And there are quite a few DINOs with whom powerlessness and subjugation seem to agree!

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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:57 AM
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14. "Is It Possible To Win in 2006 or 2008?"
Absolutely.

We will win the house next year.

Have any of you naysayers spoken to anyone who voted * in 04?

I have.
They're pissed, they're embarrassed, and they're ready for a change.

Voter fraud will have to be so blatant that whomever tries to get over, will be caught.

Positive thoughts generate positive reactions.







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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:36 AM
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15. Win? Don't Know. But Some GOPsters Vulnerable
I don't know if Democrats can gain control of the House of Representatives in 2006. Too many Dixie-style voters are going to vote Republican, no matter how often they get the short end of the stick as long as the Republican waves his Bible and shouts how much he likes Jesus.

Some of these villains might get thrown out of office as voters wise up. I want to believe that finally, voters in Sugarland will realize that they'd been supporting a rascal whose antics match old Jim Trafficante.

Prospects may or may not be better for the Senate. I would very much want to believe that Santorum can be fired by his irate constituents. We don't have a good statewide Texas Democrat ready to run for Kay Bailey Hutchison's seat in case she decides to oust Governor Blow-dry from the Texas Governor's Mansion. I don't know about other states.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:47 AM
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16. No. Because, while we all knew it may have been rigged in 2004,
Johnny and Catsup-lady Kerry have only just recently been yapping about what we all already know about crooked, PAPERLESS, voting machines.

They're laughing in our faces. They'll be slapping them next.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:52 AM
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17. Yes, but only if there is economic collapse
Enough of Americans are drunk on their propaganda and the media will not wake them up. It will take something like a hard economic jolt to get their attention and have them asking questions.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:54 AM
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18. You can't win against the bush regime since they own DIEBOLD.. It's NOT
possible.

I'm sorry, but the bush regime will remain in power until NATO is in the streets of Washington battling against the treasonous forces loyal to the bush regime.

10 - 15 years.

All you can do now is protect yourself, your family and your assets.
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LoganW Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:18 AM
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20. If we can allow the repubs to get rid of social security
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 10:19 AM by LoganW
or start a draft. It would be a landslide victory in 06/08 after that.

IMO the dems opposing them on killing social security was the biggest mistake this year. Just give them enough rope.

We can then run on repealing the repub abolishment of social security.
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