I will be happy when gas is 5$ a gallon, the draft is instated and

[greenbriar]

all the other things happen.


then we will see how loyal the repukes are.

They are all happy about their itty bitty tax refund checks but they don't realize that with bush and friends raping of america will cost them sooooooooooo much more

[ramapo]

1. At least they can't blame Kerry...

They'll try though, then they'll blame Clinton, and Kennedy, and LBJ, and all the Democratic Senators, and most the Democratic Representatives. Then they'll blame ....and so on and so on and so on.

[greenbriar]

2. let em try

I will shove it back in their face


"what" your son/daughter was drafted to North Korea? Sorry, but you voted for him."


that is going to be my response.


you lost your house because you had to have surgery and couldn't pay yoru bills??


sucks to be you

[TheFarseer]

7. yeah well,

the democrats talked the ground into not having anymore oil. /sarcasm

[TheFarseer]

3. All they will do then is get real serious

about stopping abortion and gays and Muricans will still love them. After all Fox News says the draft and $5 gas is Bill Clinton or John Kerry's fault.

[NVMojo]

4. maybe then the Repricks will join us in a revolution against their

neocon bosses.

[greenbriar]

5. I see it happening

and sooner rather than later


most of my family thought gwb was godly till I got them to actually do some research on their own instead of drinking the kool-aid

now they regret voting for him

especially since two of my nephews had to recently register for selective service

[rkc3]

6. I'm not sure about tax breaks - for the first time in 6-7 years, I owe

the Feds for income tax. Didn't do anything different from last year, except for making a few extra bucks this year.

I've been wondering if anyone else has had this happen to them.

[greenbriar]

8. we always have to frikkin pay

the state of Kansas

[Tracyjo]

16. I was on unemployment last year and still had to pay in

I'm planning to plant a huge garden and can food this spring and summer. Whatever happens, I plan on being as prepared as possible.

[Jimbo S]

24. That doesn't mean anything

the bottom line is the final tax. If you have to pay this year, your employer didn't take enough out of your check, that's all.

The tax rate is down, personal deduction is up. If you have to pay more, maybe you made more this year? Or anything else that changed?

[rkc3]

34. I did make more in 2004.

I've made more in previous years, but given the lower Fed taxes not as much comes out each pay - that's the biggest change.

I assume others are having this problem.

[Barad Simith]

9. if they're stupid enough to vote for him, then they're stupid enough to...

believe whatever explanation the repukes give them for the high prices, low wages, loss of jobs and homes, etc.

most bush lovers will choose to believe that the 911 attacks were enough to bring down the whole country

[greenbriar]

43. unfortunately that

is probably true

[Tweed]

10. Ummm.... I WON'T BE HAPPY!

What do you mean by 'all the other things happen'. This is unpatriotic bullshit. I hope nothing like that happens to our country!

[greenbriar]

11. it is already happening

don't you see it yet?

[Tweed]

20. Sure some of what you are hoping for is happening

but that doesn't make your hope any good. It's not right to hope for poverty amongst the majority of Americans. To say that you will be happy when it happens implies a couple of things.

1. You don't give a shit about the poor.
2. You are some yuppie elitist who will be vulnerable from all of this. While all of us are at the bottom, you'll be sitting on a pile of money laughing at all of us? Thanks pal, thanks a lot. How Democratic and humane of you. :eyes:

[Enquiringkitty]

25. It will show Bush for the devil he is, and assure a Democrat will be voted

in all seats to have control. Then, like Clinton, they will start off with a counry sinking and bring it back up stronge again. That will show that the Repugs don't know what they're doing and that the corporations rely on the people not the other way around.

[greenbriar]

36. hey...I can't stop it, but I can sure

let people know whose fault it is.


I am not some yuppie elitist

I am a teacher. NO one more than I understand what is happening and I have more pressure that some because of NCLB


BUT when fucktard was re-elected I get rid of ALL my credit card debt

all we owe is our house and car.


so while things might squeeze us, those repukes who think he is their savior, will HAVE to start to question.

[matcom]

12. "unpatriotic"?

um.... ok

[Tweed]

18. How is hoping that our country has multiple disasters anything but?

Yeah, it's a term that gets thrown around a lot these day, but it's valid in this situation. If you wish for the downfall of this country, that's unpatriotic. No doubt about it. I'd be amazed if you could find a valid argument against that.

[Enquiringkitty]

29. A forest grows back bigger and better after a fire; kills off the choking

under brush and give nutrents to fuel growth.

[BillZBubb]

It took a great depression to wake the sheeple up two generations ago

It will take at least that to make it happen again. There is nothing unpatriotic about hoping the disastrous effects of the Repug dominance occur quickly so we can get it over with.

In fact, the greater the pain in the short term, the better the chance we can get our country back on the road to peace and prosperity for all--in the shortest amount of time.

Otherwise we are looking at a slow death of liberty and the middle class.

[Tweed]

21. Yes there is and it sounds cruel and moronic to boot!

If you say to people "I can't wait for there to be another Great Depression", you sound like someone who wants other people to suffer. Not only that but it makes it sound as if you are going to be vulnerable from the collapse and everyone else is going to suffer. I'm glad you have found an escape route, I haven't. If the economy collapses, I'll be in some big trouble.

Besides, a Great Depression may not even be needed. The balance in Congress is not that overwhelming. If the Democrats pick up 16 seats in '06, we take back the House. If we win five seats in the Senate, we take back that too. Will it be easy, no? But it's not like its impossible. People won't stand for the new Social Security issue, but Bush seems to continue to push it. Any congressman that attaches himself to that policy is likely to find themselves out on the street come the 109th Congress.

You aren't going to convince a lot of people to vote Democratic if you go around and say "I can't wait for a Great Depression". They'll vote for Republicans thinking that Democrats hope for economic disaster.

[Jimbo S]

26. It may take a deep recession

or something just as dramatic for the Dems to regain control of just one house of the legislative branch within the next four to six years.

[Tweed]

32. I agree with that

But you would have to agree it is wrong to 'hope' for a deep recession. There are other ways the Democrats could get back into control.

I'm not denying that we might go into one and that the Democrats may only get back the House by this country having one. I just happen to think we may avoid a recession and the Democrats can still regain control.

[John BigBootay]

30. Instead of hoping for disaster--

why don't you guys hope for a change in leadership???

Jerks.

[Tweed]

33. Appaluse

Thank you, my point exactly. I just didn't bring to the front of my mind first. Thanks for helping me out with that one. :toast: I owe you one.

[greenbriar]

41. we did and we worked our asses off

only to let shrub steal it again

[KharmaTrain]

13. The Pain Threshold...

Somehow, somewhere, someday, this regime will mis-step and it won't be able to squirm away as easily as they had in the past.

In the 60's Tet was the real threshold that began the change of the politcal dynamic as the war myths were shattered and people finally started to realize what a bad mess the Vietnam war had become. Unfortunately it took nearly 4 years, several thousand dead, nearly 500,000 involved and another 5 years of agony and death ahead. We're not even seeing much protest on the campuses or in the streets. People just aren't feeling it...Iraq is still a war that's on TV...easily tuned out if it gets too ugly or boring.

Also the economy somehow continues to sputter along with less jobs and fewer opportunities. Costs are rising, incomes are stagnant or shrinking, but we haven't hit the point yet where enough people are hurting to want to even hear of the kleptocracy of our treasury by the corporate raiders...unless your name is Martha...and even then, it's a happy ending.

In 1979, despite several attempts to bring down the mighty Democratic machine through exposing it's corruption and ham-handed ways, it took a snowstorm, and it's inability to react that broke the threshold that made people say "enough is enough". I'm waiting for that snowstorm to hit this regime.

Cheers!

[havocmom]

14. And when everybody makes planters and lawn ornaments out of their cars

you can make some special ribbons to slap on them here:
http://www.supportourribbons.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=497d9f5ae96ff892bf258a96ce59abd6
Oh, the possibilities...

Anybody remember the movie "Americathon"? Seems like it's coming soon, life imitating art.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

15. $6 dollars a gallon!

If Americans are not more than just "inconviencenced", they will not wake up to reality of Bush.

[ArkDem]

17. Well written!

[deadparrot]

19. As an 18 year old, I can tell you I definitely will be very sad.

Luckily, I've got a guaranteed plane ticket outta here if it comes to that. Let BushBots do their master's dirty work.

[Jimbo S]

27. Just curious

may I ask what that ticket is?

[deadparrot]

31. Plane ticket to live with relatives abroad. nt

[indepat]

22. They will truly be getting the government they so richly deserve

[riverwalker]

23. rub their faces in it

"So, how's YOUR president doing"? They get all red and mad and hysterical.

[SmokingJacket]

28. I'd be happy in theory...

but in REALITY, I'll be suffering, for sure. Can you imagine how much things like vegetables and milk will cost if it costs $5 a gallon to ship them? It's not just SUV drivers who have to pay the price.

And if there's a draft... well, I'm a mother. Let's not go there.

[Spinoza]

35. Back in the 60s/70s only

FASCISTS wanted a draft. No fucking draft for any reason!

[greenbriar]

38. I didn't say I liked these things, but it is coming to that

so sooner than later so we can start the healing process

[ohio_liberal]

37. Please don't hope for a draft

I've got sons 16 and 19 years old. :(

[greenbriar]

42. and I have a 14

year old.

[slay]

39. I hate to agree, but I do. The sheeple won't wake up until the shit hits

the fan unfortunately.

[greenbriar]

40. exactly~!

and it is only going to go down hill until the shit does hit

something has to wake them up!