When Bush I and Reagan were in office did they fuck things up as bad

[Quixote1818]

as Monkey Face? It just seems like our country is going to hell in a hand basket and while I didn't like his Dad or Reagan I don't remember this hopeless feeling I have now seeing one fucked up bill after another moving through congress like a lubed up member going right into every Americans ass yet no one knows they just got impregnated with Satan's Baby.

Did Daddy Bush and Reagan fuck things up just as bad? Was I just not paying attention then? :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[solinvictus]

1. Daddy Bush..

Poppy's a bedwetting moderate compared to the Chimperor.

[Quixote1818]

3. Thats what it seems like. Daddy Bush dosent seem so bad now.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Daddy Bush was more diplomatic when dealing with people...

...but make no mistake, he trained his sons to follow in his fascist footsteps.

[Arkana]

2. No, George was determined to fuck things up more than Daddy did

and that was probably the only promise he made good on.

[housewolf]

4. Reagan and Bush I had a Democratic Congress to deal with

so they had a strong force of opposition to what they wanted to do. Those were the days of "gridlock," remember?

[Quixote1818]

5. It's all coming back to me. It's going to take years to clean up

this fucking mess!

[Up2Late]

6. No, because the Democrats (flawed as they were) controlled Congress

They could talk tough, but in the end, they HAD to compromise and moderate the things they wanted to do, if they wanted to get anything done.

This is how it works,

When Democrats control the WH and the Congress, we get things like Social Security, the 1964 Voting Rights Act and Medicare.

When the Repukes control the WH AND the Congress, the Rich get Richer, and the other 98% of Americans get totally SCREWED.:evilfrown:

[Quixote1818]

7. Great Post!!! Thanks for that.

[Lizzie Borden]

8. Yep. Youv'e got it right.

Reguarding DADDY Bush- at least George I wasn't stupid. I disagreed with him but he wasn't a national embarrasment like #2. (ok puking in public wasn't too swift). And it does make a huge difference that they control everything. We are in a tough situation.

[HockeyMom]

9. Reagan and Bush 1

may have paid lip service to the religious right, but when came time for action they ignored them. Junior gives them everything they want.

[solinvictus]

10. Puking..

I can't fault him for having the perfect storm of the flu while being served some raw meat in Japan.

[vogonjiltz]

19. Not to mention

puking on the japanese Prime Minister's lap.

[diamond14]

28. babs was sitting on the other side of him...and he knew that if he

puked on babs, there'd be even more hell to pay for the rest of his miserable marriage....so he blew it onto the other side...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Bush I was the real mover and shaker during those 12 years....

...GWB was in charge, and everyone knew it.

Ever hear of the Iran-Contra Scandal? Do a little in-depth research and see how many names you can come up with that appeared in previous scandals like the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Task Force, Watergate, etc.

Bush I during 1980-1992, and the GOP-controlled Congress during Clinton's last term from 1996-2000 laid the groundwork for Herr Busch's dictatorship.

Just a side note, but GWHB when Reagan was shot by Hinkley, Neil Bush was just about ready to have lunch with GWB's brother, Neil Bush. The Bush and Hinkley families have known each other since their oil days in Midland, TX. I find that to be more than a little interesting, particularly since a growing number of people believe GWHB was a participant in some capacity in the JFK assassination.

[Up2Late]

21. I hadn't heard about the Bush/Hinkley connection, but I had the...

theory about a Mr. Bush of the CIA, being in Dallas that day.

Did you see the History Channels JFK Show "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"?

That was the first show that actually got it right, and figured out where the Fatal "Head shot" came from, and how the Gunman got away.

They were even forced to apologize for "implying" Johnson was involved.

[leesa]

13. They started it all. This would not be happening without those two

criminals and their Crime Family.

[raysr]

14. Absolutely

the US will never recover from Reagan or either Bush.

[jdots]

15. Reagan started with California

He helped put in the stealth candidates and make way for prop 13 which was anti tax screw the little guy.As our goofy bad actor leader into neocomdom he romanced the media and was called the great communicator while for 8 years we were told how much we loved the old fart.His people screwed Carter with the hostage scam,gave to the rich and stole from the poor.You know the rest,Olly North,drugs, guns and money and death squads.
For eight years the turd maggots pulled out the stops to play the middle agaisnt the middle as computers brought out the best and worst in America during the Clinton years.
Chimp has set the world not just back 100 years,he has been the front for some evil scum bags that have turned the world into a bad sci fi movie.
It is time to fix it of forget it.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. great line of yours that captures how I feel

"he has been the front for some evil scum bags that have turned the world into a bad sci fi movie"

[jdj]

16. they didn't have Wally O'Dell and the Urosevich brothers to fall back on.

they actually had to worry about getting re-elected and stuff.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. NO

shrub is much worse than either his dad or reagan.

[LynnTheDem]

18. Even Reagan & Poppa Bush disliked "the crazies"

And wanted nothing to do with them.

bush, of course, is one of "the crazies" as they're the only people as f*cked in the brain as he is.

[Up2Late]

23. Good Point

Did you catch his "news" conference/Panic Attack yesterday? He said more crazy things:crazy:

I found a great site the other day that tracks all the weird stuff he says, verbatim, called Dubya Speak .com, Check it out.

Here's one of the best from yesterday:

"...I like the idea of people running for office. There's a positive effect when you run for office. Maybe some will run for office and say, vote for me, I look forward to blowing up America. I don't know, I don't know if that will be their platform or not. But it's -- I don't think so. I think people who generally run for office say, vote for me, I'm looking forward to fixing your potholes, or making sure you got bread on the table."
-- Presenting brings us his favorite local political issue (potholes) in extolling the virtues of representative government, Washington, D.C., Mar. 16, 2005

[LittleClarkie]

24. At least Bush knew to say no to the current plan

Didn't Rummy or Cheney present it to him at some point, and recognizing how bad a plan it was, he rejected it? Or do I have my stories mixed up?

[LynnTheDem]

25. Yer correct. They also tried to force their PNACery onto Clinton, who

also told them to piss off.

[BlueIris]

29. I'm so happy someone knows about that!

It's strange, though I was in high school and college during the Clinton years, I think I became more impressed with him after he had left office, particularly for the way he handled foreign relations. With every year that passes I discover additional reasons to appreciate the delicacy and skill of his leadership, especially with regard to diplomacy. Knowing enough to tell the Project for the New American Century nut-bars to screw themselves was only one of the excellent decisions he made, reflecting fortitude I didn't know he had in him at the time.

[proud patriot]

20. No, took them 12 years to fuck things up about half as much

as what it has taken bushco 4 years to fuck up .

[OneBlueSky]

26. I read somewhere that Clinton was so appalled at what he found . . .

when he took office vis-a-vis government finances that he considered going public and possibly prosecuting Bush I . . . apparently he decided against it for fear of how world markets would react to the truth about the state of the nation's finances . . .

[diamond14]

27. the main difference was that bush1/reaguns had a NICE smooth

public persona.....the chimp can't hardly pronounce words or string together a sentence..and his public persona is something akin to a SLEDGE HAMMER (OHHH OOHHH..MY WAY OR I'LL KILL YOU)


the smooth public appearances of both bush1 AND reaguns masked the same crap going on in the background....they laid the groundwork for the bush* rise to power, vicious nasty cruel...just not so OBVIOUS to the general public.....


reaguns himself was a tool and a puppet, like bush*...with real nasty people in the background...he was the FIRST president that didn't have any brains at all to start with, and actual had advanced Alzeimers disease as he left office....so reTHUGlicans realized that they didn't need anyone with any smarts (which was previouly believed to be necessary for the job), in fact, it would be better to have just a puppet who follows their directions because he can't think for himself, an ACTOR....and it would be easier to get a puppet elected, as long as he 'looked' ok on TV....the rest is theatrics, background scenery, etc....


that's why they ran with bush* for pResident, no brains necessary....the bush* name recognition...everything else would be HUGE amounts of money for mostly TV...nothing else matters....every word is scripted...the sad part about picking bush* is that he can't even ACT, like reaguns could...


the SAME PEOPLE are behind bush*...the very same criminals from bush1 and reaguns.....the only reason they could act so fast this time, was because THESE SAME PEOPLE DID IT ONCE BEFORE...they were just learning then, some things didn't work out well...but now, they KNOW how to do it....and it's full speed ahead for the criminals...you can even see the haunt of nixon, when every once in a while, the Vietnam-war-criminal kissinger pops up (just to remind us that he's working furiously in the background)


IMO, the entire bush* scam could spectacularly collapse, like an enron-type madness....bush1/reaguns didn't have the internet to deal with, and conducted their criminal activities with not nearly the scrutiny...press conferences were just a momentary quote on the nightly news, without no WHITE HOUSE web site, and no play-back videos on line....sometimes I feel that bush* is STUNNED at what's happening, because his dad did the same stuff and the outcome was so different...it's like watching rumsfeld when he finally figured out that every young American soldier in Iraq was taking videos of Abu Gharib torture....that's NOT how it all happened before...BAN THE CAMERAS.....maybe there's some kind of recording going on in every room at the White House...it would be so simple today...and bush* will be SHOCKED like nixon was....IMO, these bushites will fall HARD...don't know when, but it could come out of the BLUE at any moment...there's just so much corruption...

[BlueIris]

30. I am so conflicted about this question.

I have been thinking about this for months. I just can't decide. I want to say that the Reagan/Bush axis wasn't quite as bad; they catered to corporate interests and to RW America, but stopped short of doing so at the expense of the entire economy and the good of society at large. They didn't slant their entire domestic and international agenda toward appeasing those two groups. But after reading this collection of posts, I'm on the fence again. It's hard for me to believe the Reagan administration did anything sustainably positive for the economy; yes, I can understand what the benefits of fiscal conservatism are, but believe "Reaganomics" to be essentially bunk. The Reagan/Bush years saw a lot of damage to civil liberties in America. Also, advisors for both Reagan and Bush oversaw no shortage of god awful atrocities perpetrated by our national security agencies in the name of defending us from terrorist/"foreign" threats. So, I don't know. I'm totally conflicted.

[Radical Activist]

31. Yes, because

right now we're dealing with the consequences of what they did. Its true that you reap what you sow. Bush II is only continuing the job that Reagan and Bush I began. The chickens have come home to roost.

[area51]

32. "did they fuck things up as bad"

I don't think so. Though they fscked up the economy, they only caused recessions, as opposed to the Great Depression that chimp boy has caused. I think it hasn't been this hard to get employment since the 1st Great Depression. Anyone who's unemployed knows how difficult it is.

---

"Prosperity is just around the corner." -- Herbert Hoover
"The economy has turned a corner." -- GW Bush

Herbert Hoover = GW Bush

Neither man cared about the Depression their economic policies created.

[Up2Late]

33. You got that right

Here in Atlanta, we have the FREE Weekly "Creative Loafing" which usually has a LOT of Full Time Job listings in the back.

I don't think I EVER saw lass than 10-20 pages of Full Time Job listing during the Clinton Years. I picked up a copy the other day, because I'm one of the long-time unemployed now.

Their is LESS than ONE page of Full-time Jobs listed in the back. It was hard to even find the LISTINGS! It had about 6 columns on a 6 column page, and most of those were either Medical or Sales jobs.

This Job market SUCKS!:evilfrown: