Democrats cannot be united on even one single issue...

[PROGRESSIVE1]

then why would people vote for Democrats. Democrats give no reason to vote for them. Look at "Tort reform", Bankruptcy reform, and now ANWR. We may even lose a few votes on Social Security.

:wtf:? Forget Diebold, Democracts are doing themselves in.

[Memekiller]

1. Get rid of Lieberman...

Make a statement.

[Justitia]

2. In fairness, he voted WITH us this time. - eom

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. Get rid of Landrieu and her klan loving ilk from Louisiana.

That state is crap!!! She is much worse than Lieberman! Dump Landrieu!

[tx_dem41]

And welcome to the new Senator from Lousiana...Republican...

Bobby Jindal! Good work!:eyes:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

There's a nominal difference between the two.

[tx_dem41]

13. LOL...surely you jest. n/t

[Pirate Smile]

29. Here is one - a vote for Reid for Majority Leader or a vote for Frist.

[amazona]

15. yeah and Jindal actually is linked to the KKK ilk

He is a Mike Foster protege which means he's in the club with Mike's dear, dear friend David Duke.

The vitriol aimed at Mary is completely unfair. People in other states have no idea what she has to fight against.

I would ask how the Senators in Alaska voted before jumping on Mary, it's their state and if they don't want to protect it then there is a limit to how much outsiders can sacrifice themselves and their political careers. Sheesh. There is plenty of blame to spread around without focusing on Mary. I believe one of the good Senators from Alaska was making lightly veiled suicide threats about clinical depression if he didn't get his way. Why don't we send the hate his way?

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[PROGRESSIVE1]

20. Lousiana Politician = Corrupt SOB

[Memekiller]

11. Landrieu, I can forgive...

I remember how visciously the right tried to undo the results of her election, and she's one of the few Dems left in the South. Lieberman has no excuse. Even if he voted right on this one, we need to make an example of someone, and he's the best candidate because he's in a Blue state undermining our party.

[Craig3410]

31. Hey, we're not ALL "klan loving ilk".

For the most part, it's the northern part of LA that's RW bullshit redneck capital of the world. New Orleans/Baton Rouge is pretty liberal, IIRC.

[tx_dem41]

36. Can you please point out what "klan-loving ilk" you are talking about?

...the Landrieu record has a stellar record in Louisiana on civil rights dating back to the 50's and 60's. Do you even know of her father Moon Landrieu, former Secretary of HUD for Jimmy Carter?

[tx_dem41]

7. Yes...make a statement against a guy...

that voted to keep drilling away from ANWR and voted for the sense of the Senate amendment yesterday on Social Security. Makes sense.

[Memekiller]

14. It's not his votes...

It's the fact that he's so willing to blast our party in the media, and help spread Republican talking points to get on TV. He undermines us every chance he gets in exchange for TV time, and gives Bush bipartisan cover. That's more inexcusable, IMO.

Not to mention, he's been a late comer in defending Social Security. He's done A LOT of damage to our position before reluctantly signing on.

[tx_dem41]

17. Can you point out where he has "blasted our party". I agree that ..

..he has a annoying habit of wanting to use Republican talking points. If Conn Dems can find another Dem that can beat him in the primary AND win the general election, go for it! If not, I don't want a Republican winning that seat.

[Memekiller]

34. I'm thinking of the Krugman editorial...

...where he pointed out that Lieberman may very well have undermined our last chance to define ourselves as a party, in part by repeating GOP lies.

I certainly don't want to unseat every Dem who votes wrong on a particular issue, or for them to lose their seats for "purity" sake. My basic point is this: the Dems have one power, and one power only in the next two to four years, and that is a unified oposition to bad bills. When Dems stray, our only power is gone.

We have to pick those battles carefully, but we must have battles where there can be no compromise, where if you undermine us, you don't belong in our party. That battle is Social Security, and even if Lieberman is late in signing on to oppose dismantling our pensions, he is undermining us, and continues to undermine us. Until he stops making TV appearances going off our message and on the GOP's, he's a great choice to get rid of.

Another choice should have been bankruptcy. Stragglers there should be picked off, of whome Lieberman is one by voting for cloture.

I'm ambivalant about drilling in Alaska, I'm afraid. As passionate as I am on this issue, I think it's a call for angry e-mails and letters, not unseating people. Such a tactic should be drastic and rare.

[tx_dem41]

38. I hardly call that "blasting the party"...but

maybe I'm just hung up on semantics.

[Memekiller]

41. I overstated...

...undermine is a better word choice.

[elperromagico]

4. Conversely, Republicans would back a pro-ax murder bill

if Bush, Rove, Frist, DeLay, and the rest of the lot told them to.

The few RINOs cannot be relied upon to side with us.

Expect a lot of defeats in the next couple of years.

[ramapo]

5. Democrats are Republicans with a D

Republicans and Democrats feed at the same trough. They do not work for the constiuents, they work for the powerful because that is how they keep their jobs.

Democrats have become experts at playing along to get along. Our government and media have pretty much become just a big, melded glob of crap.

[redqueen]

8. Ding Fucking Ding.

If they really cared about this country or their constituents they'd work on campaign finance reform and election reform.

Playing along to get along is dead on. There are a couple of exceptions. But that only proves the rule, no?

[tx_dem41]

26. Yeah...obviously you are right since all of 3 of 44 Democrats just

voted to drill in ANWR. Who cares about the other 93%.

Good work with the broadbrush.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Had those 3 not voted the way they did, it wouldn't have passed.

Harry Reid should do what Delay does. Tie them up in a room until they VOTE WITH THE PARTY! They are all to blame. If they really wanted that bill to go down, that bill would have gone down. OBVIOUSLY that is not what the Dem party wanted. How many losses are YOU willing to accept? This is disgusting. This party is LOST.

[tx_dem41]

42. Then please....

leave it, and let the true hard workers keep fighting. We don't have time for Chicken Littles.

[in_cog_ni_to]

52. Hard fighters? I won't go into what I have done for this party over the

last 30 years. Suffice it to say...it's been more than I will ever do again. You go right ahead and support them like a good little soldier. K?

[tx_dem41]

57. Will do....have fun at GU! n/t

[Teaser]

59. Then bitch as much as you need to

and get back to work.

[ramapo]

50. Broadly true

The turncoat Dems provide cover for the rest of the bunch who generally can't be trusted either. There are always a few, depending on the issue, who opt to go along with the ruling powerbase.

[tx_dem41]

53. There always have been, too. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. I agree. I'm finished with this party.

They don't have a CLUE on how to stick together. NONE. I'm sooooooooooooo sick of this party. Green is looking mighty good to me right now.

[tx_dem41]

9. See ya! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. So you support drilling in ANWR? How nice.

No wonder Texas is a red state.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

19. "Texan = Kennedy Killer"!

Texas was orgasmic when Kennedy was shot. They are a bunch of white, right wing, Fundie/Facists, enviromental rapists!

:argh:

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. And when we have Democrats like the above poster...

it's no surprise it's a BLOODY RED STATE. If we don't support our Dems who CONSTANTLY vote with the repukes, WE'RE the bad guys when we speak out against them! :eyes: Yet, the red state, so called Dems, who suppoert the DINO are "good Dems"...give me a damn break!

[movie_girl99]

24. i resent that statement

I'm from Texas and have many Democratic friends who fight daily to help progressive causes. Please stop painting us all with the same RED brush.

[ArkDem]

35. My mother always told me to stay away from fiends.

[movie_girl99]

51. i edited it for spelling not 60

seconds after i posted it. Jesus no wonder people lurk here for years/months and never post.

[tx_dem41]

44. Yep, all we Texas Dems, all 7-10 million of us...

killed Kennedy. Makes a lot of sense.

[movie_girl99]

55. we didn't kill him silly

we all just had one big fat orgasm when "the magic bullet" did. I wouldnt know because i was only 2 years old at the time but i'm sure going to ask my mom about it.

[tx_dem41]

21. No, I support the Democratic Party...

you obviously don't. Have fun and quit, and leave the hard work to the people that fight for their party at the precinct level and up.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. No you do not support the Democratic party

when you kiss their asses and let them vote against what WE THE PEOPLE want. That is not support. That is blind faith. IMCPO

[tx_dem41]

30. You just love to put words in peoples' mouths don't you.

Sign of a weak argument.

You just keep assuming away ...all the way to those Greens. See ya!

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. A DINO is not a Dem.

Just in case you aren't aware of that fact. The Dem party is FULL of them along with their DINO supporters. To blindly follow these people is hardly a sign of a strong argument. That's no different than the freepers following in lockstep with the repukes. No difference whatsoever.

[tx_dem41]

48. You sound like the true DINO...weren't you the one running to the Greens?.

Please, hurry on and leave us alone.

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. I'll leave when I want to leave. Do you own DU?

When did they sell this sight to you?

[tx_dem41]

58. B-b-but, you said you were leaving the party!...

Already going back on your word in a matter of about 5 posts. Tsk, tsk.

This board is for supporters of the Democratic party. The administrator has been quite clear on that. Its not for your Green party.

[bowens43]

10. I've had it.

I have voted a straight Dem ticket in every election since 1976. That tradition has come to an end. No one gets my vote unless they earn it. I will not hesitate to vote third party.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. ditto. n/t

[Tyler Durden]

12. You're just figuring this out?

The Democratic Party is the home of the original "cat herders." We REVEL in having members who'd spit on another member if they DARE to disagree with their agenda.

The Fascists Wet Dream, that's us.

[Itsthetruth]

23. 43 Voted Against War Spending: Wow! We Got Bush On The Run Now!

43 just voted on the House against 81 billion dollars to fund the war effort. What do you expect? Perfection? Don't worry. Howard Dean (the leader of the Democratic Party?) is rallying the troops in Congress to fight Bushism. It will happen anyday now .... or week ..... June ..... 2006 .... whnever. Just be patient.


CAPITOL HILL

The House has overwhelmingly approved an 81-point-four (b) billion dollar supplemental spending bill to pay for U-S operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The vote was 388-to-43 on the bill, which would push the total spent so far on the two wars to more than 300 (b) billion dollars.

[natrat]

27. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[adigal]

28. You're right - but on something as important as

drilling in Alaska, or the war, perhaps, is it too much to ask the middle of the road, convictionless dirt bag democrats to stay with the party??? Is it too fricking much to ask???

[imenja]

33. They are united on exactly one issue

social security. There is not even a bill pending on SS to lose votes over.

[Memekiller]

37. That's the important fight...

...we have to pick our battles carefully.

[imenja]

40. bankruptcy and Anwar are also important

I agree we need to pick battles carefully, but one in a four year cycle is far too stingy.

[Memekiller]

45. Agreed on bankruptcy...

...ANWAR I don't think quite reaches the bar.

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. AND...there's repukes who don't support the SS changes.

That is probably going to go down anyway while the Dems hand over every other important issue along the way. They pass the Bankruptcy bill, ANWR, confirm Rice, Confirm Gonzalas, pass Medicare reform and the SS issue is going to go down before it ever makes it to the floor. The repukes know what they're doing. They're playing the Dems like a fine tuned fiddle.

[Memekiller]

56. We won big on SS...

Democrats should shout it out, loud and proud and make the GOP pay for their hubris in the midterms. Our Democratic unity on this is something to be celebrated, and then repeated.

[imenja]

43. Anwar and bankruptcy are also important

I agree we need to pick battles carefully, but one in a four year cycle is far too selective.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Yeah. Keeping their seats at the trough.

They're politicians first.

[napi21]

46. Today I heard the main reason Ak's want Anwar is jobs.

The unemployment in AK is pretty bad, and they feel it is much more important to them to improve their economy than to worry about some small spot in a remote part of the state.

I don't know that I agree with that, but I sure can understand how they would feel that way.

[LSdemocrat]

60. In reality, the Democratic party is really multiple parties in one

In any Western European country the US Democratic party would really be multiple parties. There'd be the New Democrats, a Labor faction, a Progressives/Greens faction, a Minority Interests party, and maybe even a couple of others. What unites all these factions? The belief that the government has some sort of positive role to play in promoting the economic health of people and the nation.

Why aren't we multiple parties? First the system lends itself to a two-party system, unlike Western European proportional representation systems. Second, the US is unfortunately more conservative than Western Europe, so a semi-united front against the right makes sense in order to limit infighting.