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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:20 AM
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Gore Won 2000 Election/NORC recount DELAYED because of 9/11!
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 10:29 AM by KoKo01
Some newer DU'ers had questions about this, so I thought I would post the information separately. Because of 9/11 WTC Attack the "Media Consortium" (NORC) who counted the votes had to delay their report for release. At that point the country was in turmoil and Bush/NeoCons already had their plans in the works for perpetual War on Terrorism. So, the report was ignored for the "stability" of the Government. There are many articles about this, but this is one of the best. Just Google: NORC Results, 2000 Election if you want more...

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NORC Report on 2000 Election Results


Special to The Dubya Report
November 17, 2001


It will come as no surprise to readers of The Dubya Report that a statewide recount of ballots cast in the 2000 presidential election, using what a majority of Florida counties said they would use as a standard of voter intent, would have given Al Gore a majority. This is one of the conclusions reached by the massive analysis of Florida ballots conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University Chicago. The study, whose results were released November 11, was funded by a consortium of U.S. news organizations including the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and Tribune Publishing which owns the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, and several newspapers in Florida. The release of the study's results, available since early September, was delayed at the request of the consortium following the September 11 terrorist attacks, according to an NORC staffer. With few exceptions the mainstream news media reported the results as if they demonstrated that the Supreme Court's unprecedented intervention into the electoral process, which awarded Bush the presidency, merely validated the will of the Florida voters. The New York Times announced the results with the headline, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote." While true in the narrow sense that the limited recount that was interrupted by the Supreme Court would, according the the NORC, have awarded a majority of votes to Bush, these conclusions suffer from the fallacy of questionable cause. They ignore the chain of events that that led to Bush v. Gore coming before the Supreme Court in the first place. They also ignore the fact that the court decision ensured that "further legal challenges not again change the trajectory of the battle." Florida Circuit Judge Terry Lewis, under whose auspices the recount was taking place, told the Orlando Sentinel that, had the recount gone forward, he might have ordered all counties to count overvotes. The NORC study demonstrated that under that scenario, and four others, Gore would have won.

The Gore team's consistent mantra was to "count every vote." Gore's lawyers concluded that they were unlikely under Florida law to succeed in suing for a statewide recount. Gore advisors were also concerned, at the time, to avoid being seen as trying to circumvent democracy through the courts. So rather than go to court about it, Gore proposed a full recount to Bush, who immediately rejected it. Had the full statewide recount that Gore advocated taken place, Gore would have won, according to the NORC. "If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won ...," the Times said.

Another area in which concern for public relations prevented the Gore team from pursuing what would have been a fruitful strategy concerns absentee ballots. As noted in Jake Tapper's Down & Dirty, Republican operatives executed a concerted plan to encourage the filing of absentee ballots by likely Republican voters, even if they arrived after the legal deadline. This was confirmed by a New York Times study published in July, which found 680 absentee ballots arriving after Election Day were counted, in violation of Florida state law. Operating inside Katherine Harris's offices, Republican consultants developed detailed instructions for county canvassing boards that would ensure that the greatest number of absentee ballots likely to favor Bush were accepted. Bush campaign officials in Washington enlisted the help of the Pentagon in expediting collection and delivery of military ballots. Republicans on the House Armed Services committee helped the campaign obtain private contact information for voters in the military.

The earlier Times investigation found that the absentee ballots were "were judged by markedly different standards, depending on where they were counted." This was in conflict with statements by the Bush campaign and Florida secretary of state Katherine Harris that uniform standards should be applied, and not changed in the middle of the contest. It also runs counter to the equal-protection guarantee cited by the Supreme Court when it stopped the statewide manual recount.

In predominantly Republican counties Bush lawyers urged officials to ignore Florida election rules, particularly those requiring that ballots be postmarked by Election Day. They made speeches deriding Gore lawyers for suggesting voter fraud, while reminding listeners of the right of military men and women to vote. Fred Tarrant, a Republican City Council member from Naples, Fla., told the Collier County canvassing board "If they catch a bullet, or fragment from a terrorist bomb, that fragment does not have any postmark or registration of any kind." In Santa Rosa county a Bush lawyer told the canvassing board that they faced prosecution and jail time if they rejected overseas ballots. Judge Anne Kaylor, chair of the Polk County canvassing board acknowledged that the pressure tactics worked, and that invalid ballots were counted. "Technically, they were not supposed to be accepted. Any canvassing board that says they weren't under pressure is being less than candid."

(oops...got a "rogue something" in the link...how do I fix this?)

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:oaMjCT4fuE4J:www.thedubyareport.com/recount2.html+NORC+Report+on+2000+Election+Results&hl=en
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:48 AM
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1. Kick.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:05 AM
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2. Kick again!
:kick:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:08 AM
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3. kick! One of the most important articles...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:36 AM
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4. kick................
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:45 AM
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5. The correct link is below
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:31 PM
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6. Thanks for link fix for that "rogue thingy."
:yourock:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:53 PM
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7. Newsweek or Time was covering this.
There was an issue on the stands the week of 9/11.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 07:54 AM
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33. I remember all of this very well and I still have my copy of the issue.
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 07:58 AM by Hissyspit
I had the copy of the magazine on my desk for a long time thinking "o.k., this stolen election thing is gonna bust wide open now..." What I can't remember is who wrote that excellent book on the stolen election that came out about that time. Can't even remember the title, sorry. If someone else does...
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:57 PM
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8. Kick........
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:59 PM
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9. MIHOP! LIHOP! IHOP! UHOP! U-HAUL! U-BOAT! DAS BOOT! HIKING BOOT!
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 02:45 PM
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40. HUH? whats this mean? nt
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:00 PM
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10. Can't thank you enough!
Thank you. Found this site 1 night after Nov 3 2004 out of total dispair and desperatio to see if it was just me and those I knew in my small piece of the world. I feel at home here.

God. Isn't that sad. I find peace with like-minded people here on the Internet and have lost my America.

Well, thanks koko01. :hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:10 PM
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11. You are very welcome. Didn't realize that newcomers here didn't
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 01:11 PM by KoKo01
know about this. I joined DU in 2001 because of Selection 2000 and it was a big deal here. Some of us old timers forget that most of the country didn't know the half of what went on, because even then the media was distorting and the Bush gang had their RW cronies operating down in Florida. We had been taken over and we didn't know it.

It's good to revisit what went on. Helps some newer DU'ers in understanding why some of us here are still so very angry and hard on our fellow Dems. Knowing that Gore was our President and that these liars stole it and have ruined our country with their lies is too much for some of us to deal with sometimes.

:-)'s
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:34 PM
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13. Was immersed in despair
by death of husband during that period. As I began to come back to life, Nov 3 2004 hit like a ton of bricks. I literally want to crawl back into that hole I was just climbing out of.

I've researched it since, and found that GORE really won and should have been President. It's so sad. Can't think of any other word but horribly, terrifyingly "sad!" Think of how differently actions, and reactions would have been and these extremist crooks wouldn't be devouring us of everything we as American's stood for. Everything. Stripped, pilfered, raped by immoral extremists that stole their way in - TWICE!

Freepers. Wake-up!
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:48 PM
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17. You're so right, KoKo01, newer Duers might not know. That's why
bringing this up again every so often reaches new people.

Same thing with Octafish and his "Get to know your BFEE" threads.

We still do get a lot of "Holy Shit!"s when people learn these things for the first time.

Just another reason to love DU.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:13 PM
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12. Katharine Harris IS an EVIL WHORE!
Amazing, how Jeb just happened to be Gov of Fl; Blackwell just happened to be a big leader of their campaign; so many coincidences that I do not care who calls ms a conspiracy nut or a sore loser I will not get over it nor forget, nor shut-up about it.

Why is it we seem to find all these revelations "after" the damage is done.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:49 PM
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18. The truth will come out. It's all there. Someday it will hit American's
consciousness. And, if 9/11 hadn't happened it would have. So it does make one wonder about all the rest they are covering up. Maybe that's why Bush is seeming so unhinged...like in his press conference today. They can't keep a lid on all this stuff much longer, methinks. They've made such a mess out of everything.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:35 PM
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14. SEE ALSO this closely related thread, now at the top of the Greatest List
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 01:40 PM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3280370

This current thread adds more to the answer, but there is also valuable information in the earlier thread.

This is so amazing. It definitely moves me from mostly believing they LIHOP and suspecting maybe they MIHOP and were certainly evil enough to do it much closer to believing pretty solidly that they MIHOP.

The coincidence is just too close, and there was all that "Trifecta" political push too.

WILL THE MEDIA TOUCH THIS STORY? IS IT TO BIG AND SCARY FOR THEM? I'm betting the foreign media DO pick it up, and I hope they hate the people of the US a little less when they see that we did NOT elect that criminal EITHER TIME.

You might consider reposting in the 9/11 Forum. GD posts tend to disappear too quickly.
Recommended.
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forintegrity Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:40 PM
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15. Yup. Bush did NOT win in 2000.
And he did NOT win in 2004!

He had to cheat both times to be President!
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LNS Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:45 PM
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16. Moorewatch "Joke" about to be run on DU...
Hi all. I'm know I'm new here (and therefore can't start a new thread). So this one seemed like a good place to drop this. Just wanted to give everyone and FYI to this "joke" that's about to be perpetrated on DU... I'm sure the thread linked to below will be deleted soon after I post this. While I don't know this person's identy on DU, on MW it's th2techdude

http://moorewatch.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5129

Just a few quotes from the thread below...

Hello, fellow Moorewatchers! I am pleased to announce to you that I have successfully infiltrated the DU.

Well, it all started out with a joke.....

Boilermaker wrote:
The 22nd Amendment says:

Quote:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.


You know...maybe if we agreed with the left that Bush was not elected but selected in 2000...following me?


Well once these "rumors" get posted to DU, we delete these threads so that the evidence is gone
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 08:57 PM
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31. Heads up for tomorrow...
This is the title that the Moore Watch troll is going to use to DUers to fall for the joke:
NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO ANNOUNCES BUSH ELIGIBLE TO RUN AGAIN IN 2008
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Trailrider1951 Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:53 PM
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19. Good God
Just when I thought I had seen it all....

You know, there is one thing about all this that I can't get over: why did Al Gore just shut up and roll over for this??? Speculation among my friends here at work has it that perhaps he was sent a video tape of the Zapruder film by an anonymous sender.....:shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:06 PM
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21. He didn't. He got no support. He tried, but he assumed they would play
fair. I don't think even he knew how bad it all was with even some of our own Dems selling out to the Bushies. Lieberman/Dodd. Lieberman pushed Gore to not challenge Bush on letting the Military Absentee Ballots be counted.

And, those of us who watched every minute of the recount on MSNBC/CNN didn't realize that by that time the media had already sold out. So they supported Bush and slanted everything against Gore.

Media and some of our very prominent Dems pressured Gore not to fight further. Gore's biggest misjudgment was not to ask for a full Florida State Recount...which would have cut off most of the Bush Legal efforts at the beginning. Instead by asking for selected counties he ended up getting used.

There's so much about that election. It's painful for me even to drag it all up. But the farther one gets from it, the more one understands how Gore was NOT supported by either party. I think he did the best he could and it was courageous for him to call Bush on Election night after he had conceded and tell Bush that he was "unconceding."
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:54 PM
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20. Kick!
Never forget, DUers, never forget....
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:06 PM
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22. If the Senate would have signed on to help the Black Caucus
investigate vote fraud.....our country would be completely different now. Just think of all the "if onlys" we have here. Just think how DIFFERENT things would be had the Senate stood with the Black Caucus. :cry:

If only the Senate would have stood with the Black Caucus and NOT accept the EV from FL., things would be so different.

If only Gore hadn't conceded when he did, things would be different.

If only CBS would have ran Greg Palast's investigative report on the voter purge in FL., things would be so different.

If only the MSM wouldn't have let Faux News (Bush cousin) call the election, things would be so different in our country.

If only the Democrats had bussed in thousands of protesters, like the repukes did, things would be different.

It makes me SICK to think this man is illegitimate and is DESTROYING our country. Gore and his voters should have stormed the WH when it was known BUSH lost. Bastard. Bastard, Bastard. I cannot put into words how much I hate that bastard for what he has done. :nuke:
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:18 PM
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23. AND.. KERRY won in '04 so tell your friends to stop saying bush won..
I have many friends that just cant accept that fact.. the popular vote fraud has them fooled.. they will buy that Ohio was sketchy and some will say that Kerry MAY have won... well, I promise you that we will someday all agree.. like we do on 2000.. that bush cheated and Kerry won the election but lost the presidency! Until the democrates start speaking as 1 and fully understand the magnitude of the fraud we will not win any elections. The system is broken and it cant be fixed by future elections, it 1st requires a national understanding of the fraud that occured and the completely undemocratic elections bush runs. If you are reading this and arent sure about the fraud ask yourself this... Why do you believe the "official" results that are cast on, and counted by, 3 companies, ALL of which have strong republican ties and reported to you by the "MSM" which is no more than infotainment these days. At the same time you would have to ignore the mountain of statistical evidence of how paperless electronic voting was used to defraud the public, and who cares about the hordes of people that were prevented from voting for bogus reasons(mostly blacks) not to mention the historical fraud from 2000 and 2002. So.. I know its hard to believe, but if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and bush tells you its swan... its still a duck!

Help spread the facts!
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:37 PM
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28. I believe you mean,
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 04:38 PM by Lone Pawn
"help us spread the unsupported speculation and invalid statistics so cognitive dissonance doesn't overwhelm us when we have to face the fact that Kerry actually lost!"

Denial ain't strength, bub.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 02:40 PM
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39. NO.. I mean that you need to decide whos facts you believe..
If you want to believe that diebold, ES&S and Triad, all republican owned companies, counted your votes properly, then you are naive. All the " unsupported speculation and invalid statistics " is the collection of real data and comparing it to the "official" results you are protecting. There is no protection in the constitution that we get to vote, the system is broken.. Gore Won.. Cleland won.. Kerry won and the machines counted those results the way the machine manufacturers and the SOS (hello!?.. head election offical is co-chair for bush!)in many cases, wanted. You are preventing us from bringing awareness to this real issue! I suppose you think John Conyers is in Denial too, how about Sen. Boxer?.. when will you wake up to the reality that your vote has been stolen! I am not the 1 in denial..

I challenge you to show me why you believe bush won... without quoting him or his direct supporters, which I hope we can agree, would do anything (think Tom Delay, or Gannon/Guckert) to have their way. Why do you give them the benefit of the doubt, haven't they lied to you enough, or do you think we found WMDs and Saddam was involved in 911, or we don't support torture, or perhaps social security is in crisis and privatizing is the solution! Perhaps you don't understand the goals of this administration, and the anti-new deal fascists with their neo-conservative ownership society!


Blind following ain't democracy... bub ;)


please wake up!
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 05:08 PM
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41. So whom do I believe?
So do I go with the high-profile people who admitted he lost, like:
DNC Chairman Howard Dean
Sen. John Kerry
Sen. John Edwards
Ex-President Bill Clinton
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Mark Dayton
Al Franken
Paul Begalia
James Carville
George Stephanopolous
The US Government
Sen. Dick Durbin
Sen. Barack Obama
Rightful President-Elect Al Gore
Sen. Harry Reid

or the high-profile people who don't:
Rep. John Conyers
Sen. Barbara Boxer
Theresa Heinz Kerry
A few anonymous people on the Internets.

Okay. I can certainly see how it's more likely that the entire Democratic party save two hard-left extremists and a shrill wife of a Senator would be in denial about the election than a handful of hardcore liberals.

And why would I think my vote had been stolen? I voted in Illinois, where Kerry won in a walk.

And finally, I never believe a thing this administration says. But when our guys admit the Republicans are right--and all of them admit it--then it's much more likely that the three-million-vote deficit was not just a figment.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:23 AM
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43. Some of our Democrats are afraid to speak up and some are complicit.
:shrug: It was amazing to me that Gore didn't get support when he tried to get a recount. Yet, the Bushies could pay staffers to go down to FLA and protest against Gore Recount, and no one except Michael Moore was willing to publicly expose this. Even when we still had the Senate and investigations and hearings could have exposed this, Daschle never did it. He threw away the opportuntiy that Jim Jeffords switch gave him, and sat on his hands...supposedly for the unity of the country.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:29 PM
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24. How convenient: timing is everything
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:53 PM
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25. Kick..........
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:50 PM
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26. kick n/t
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GoSolar Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:29 PM
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27. Kick!
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:33 PM
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29. Kick.
My blood is still boiling 4+ years later.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:07 PM
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30. Where did that other thread that started this go?
:shrug:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 03:50 AM
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32. Do you mean this one here ?
Is it true that 9/11 was the day 2000 election results were to headline?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3280370
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 08:22 AM
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34. Don't forget a plane crashed the day this report came out
thereby obliterating it from the news. What little news of this report did come out said Bush won while in reality Bush won under only one of several different scenarios in the study.

I will always wonder about why that plane crashed on this particular day.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 12:11 PM
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37. Do you have a link about the plane? I don't remember anything except
the flight that crashed off Long Island shortly after WTC Attack. Is that the one you're thinking of?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 04:24 PM
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42. Yes, I'm talking about the Long Island crash
and it happened on the very day the NORC report came out. Koko, I thought you were around here on DU back then. There were tons of MIHOP theads about it.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:00 AM
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35. kick
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 11:16 AM
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36. This Findings confirm what we all have known for years..the Pubs are no
more Moral than the average crook out there. They speak of family values and going to church etc but when it comes to winning the election, they will find a way, even if it is wrong, legally and morally. The assholes even used intimidation too? The audacity. They make murdering whole groups of people justified if it means winning. As a Nation, we are fucked if this way of life continues.

Where is their Charactor?

How can they sleep with themselves?

They lie cheat steal...then they teach their kids this way of life? WTF?

This is a case of the Ultimate PETER...the guy who weasels into the top position...only to fuck it up...then blame the fuckups on others. We all know people like Bush, they are all over the place.

But it is here in the Oval Office the damage can be devastating...and only now, when it is too fucking late, that SOME of the sheep out there are smelling the coffee.

Come, we go get candles for the Vets on Sat
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potone Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 12:28 PM
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38. kick!
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:45 AM
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44. I remember the night before
We were all over the Drudge Report's headline that Gore had won 6 out of 9 scenarios. I believe November 11 was a Sunday and the NORC results were to come out the next day. I also remember somebody joking about another plane crash that would distract the MSM.

I had CNN on that Monday morning and Paula Zahn was "pooh-poohing" the results with somebody when lo and behold, flight 587 falls from the sky - and that ended the "discussion" of whether Bush won...permanently.

The thing that always struck me as odd was...with all the panic over 9/11 and the cloud of Bush's "win" still hanging over their heads - if the NORC results had been a slam dunk for Bush, why would they have delayed the release of the results?
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45. Katherine Harris
Is evil, but I don't know if she's ever done anything that would categorize her as a "whore".

Would love to see proof of that, however.

Does she have the same hobbies as Jeff Gannon?

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