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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:41 PM
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26 Inmate Deaths Since 2002 May Be Homicides, Military Report Says
Side bar question: Is this treatment of prisoners unique to this war, or is the only difference between this war and others that we're actually hearing about it this time?


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/16/politics/16abuse.html?ei=5094&en=9d093028237bd5fa&hp=&ex=1110949200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=

March 16, 2005
U.S. Military Says 26 Inmate Deaths May Be Homicide
By DOUGLAS JEHL and ERIC SCHMITT

WASHINGTON, March 15 - At least 26 prisoners have died in American custody in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2002 in what Army and Navy investigators have concluded or suspect were acts of criminal homicide, according to military officials.

The number of confirmed or suspected cases is much higher than any accounting the military has previously reported. A Pentagon report sent to Congress last week cited only six prisoner deaths caused by abuse, but that partial tally was limited to what the author, Vice Adm. Albert T. Church III of the Navy, called "closed, substantiated abuse cases" as of last September.

The new figure of 26 was provided by the Army and Navy this week after repeated inquiries. In 18 cases reviewed by the Army and Navy, investigators have now closed their inquiries and have recommended them for prosecution or referred them to other agencies for action, Army and Navy officials said. Eight cases are still under investigation but are listed by the Army as confirmed or suspected criminal homicides, the officials said.

Only one of the deaths occurred at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, officials said, showing how broadly the most violent abuses extended beyond those prison walls and contradicting early impressions that the wrongdoing was confined to a handful of members of the military police on the prison's night shift.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:07 AM
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1. ..contradicting impressions of wrongdoing confined to a handful...
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 12:09 AM by NYC
...contradicting early impressions that the wrongdoing was confined to a handful of members of the military police...

I don't know if it has always been this way. I suspect not, and I think part of the difference is whether we have a conscripted army or a volunteer army.

Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. in The Imperial Presidency, page 198:

Professional Army vs. Citizen Army


...The Commander in Chief clause gave every President nominal command of the Army and Navy. But it could not guarantee him, as Johnson and Nixon discovered in Vietnam, the loyalty of the soldiers in the field, nor the support of their families back home. When a citizen army had a war it believed in, like the Second World War, it fought with unsurpassed courage; but, thrown into a war it could not understand, it could become sullen and disaffected. Nixon now tried to solve the problem of the undependable army, and thereby elliminate one more check on presidential war, by replacing the army made up of civilans by an army made up of professional soldiers.

Had such an army existed in the 1960s, public criticism of the Indochina War would have been much slower to emerge. Even as it was, so long as the Americans killing and dying in Vietnam were sons of poor whites and poor blacks, the American middle class remained generally uninvolved. It was only when the contraction of educational deferments in 1967 and 1968 exposed their own sons to the draft that they (and, in many cases, their sons too) first began to wonder whether the American interest was after all worth the sacrifice of American lives. It was then that opinion began to change. Had conscription been on an egalitarian basis, the middle class would undoubtedly have swung against the war much earlier.

A citizen army is a projection of a whole nation and therefore has the capacity to find means of resisting a President who wants to fight wars in which the nation does not believe. A professional army is by definition a much more compliant and reliable instrument of presidential war. Its members are in the army by their own free choice. Because they believe in their career, they do not have to believe in a particular war. This would not matter if the United States needed only a very small army -- say, the 189,839 of the Army of 1939. But Nixon planned a very large professional army -- 2,233,000 men. The establishment of a vast professional army could only liberate Presidents for a wider range of foreign adventure.

READ THIS:
A vast professional army, in addition, could provide dangerous temptations to the imperial Presidency at home. Tocqueville had long since pointed out the different consequences a citizen army and a professional army had for a democracy. When men were conscripted into an army, a few might acquire a taste for military life, "but the majority, being enlisted against their will and ever ready to go back to their homes," found military service not a chosen vocation but a vexatious duty. "They do not therefore imbibe the spirit of the army, or rather they infuse the spirit of the community at large into the army and retain it there." But a professional army "forms a small nation by itself, where the mind is less enlarged and habits are more rude than in the nation at large." Its officers in particular "contract tastes and wants wholly distinct from those of the nation." In consequence, "military revolutions, which are scarcely ever to be apprehended in aristocracies, are always to be dreaded among democratic nations."

It was not unkown for professional officers in the citizen army to complain about a want of discipline and patriotism in the nation. Nor was it inconceivable that the existence of an army professional in all its ranks might suggest things to a President who regarded dissent as a form of subversion or anarchy and wished to restore law and order in the name of national security.
Seven Days in May might seem melodramatic fantasy, but Preisident Kennedy, who knew the military, wanted it filmed as a warning to the nation. In any case, there seemed no advantage in compounding problems of an already volatile political society by introducing into it a "small nation by itself," united by professional prejudices, resentments and ambitions and possessing a monopoly of the weapons of war. Here, it would appear, was precisely the large and permanent military establishment which, as Hamilton had written in the Eighth Federalist, tended to destroy civil and political rights of the people and which, as Madison had said in 1812, was forbidden by the principles of our free government.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:16 AM
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2. Very interesting material.
I humbly thank you for responding with such a thought-provokingly appropos post. :toast:

Anyone who doesn't understand why Charlie Rangel keeps insisting on a conscripted army needs to read this. And we need to wonder why no one is paying attention when the Pentagon quietly makes new rules permitting commanders in the alleged war on terror greater leeway to cross borders in pursuit of alleged terrorists--without having to go through the ordinary, messy protocols that slow the military down.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:52 AM
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3. Scary, isn't it?
Left on my own, I would have thought an all volunteer (aka professional) army was a better idea. Just the choice of words alone shows how I didn't understand this. "Volunteer" army sounds harmless; "professional" army has a different ring to it.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:28 AM
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5. Ain't that the truth. We're talking a military *class.*
Keeps the awfulness of the government's foreign policy atrocities at a far remove from most of us. Except for the military class.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:00 AM
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4. Indeed, Sir
Paradoxical as it sounds, a conscript army is an excellent butress to democratic rule....
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:03 AM
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6. The Phoenix Program in Vietnam
differed in two respects. First, it was run by the CIA rather than regular G.I. forces. Second, it was far more vicious and systematic. A short summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

"I never knew in the course of all those operations any detainee to live through his interrogation. They all died. There was never any reasonable establishment of the fact that any one of those individuals was, in fact, cooperating with the VC, but they all died and the majority were either tortured to death or things like thrown out of helicopters."..."It became a sterile depersonalized murder program... Equal to Nazi atrocities, the horrors of "Phoenix" must be studied to be believed." -Former "Phoenix" officer Bart Osborne, testifying before Congress in 1971


See also a terse summary of the facts about this program by another CIA whistleblower, Ralph McGee: http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm

The CIA is now building the capacity for using these same tactics against the resistance in Iraq: You ain't seen nuthin' yet. See: http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/19/news-schou.php
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:26 AM
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7. Thank you for that information
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 10:26 AM by BurtWorm
And as usual, this will not penetrate the thick skull of the average American in whose name, allegedly, these atrocities are being committed.
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