OK Bible says Men cant lie with Men but what about Women with Women?

[Quixote1818]

Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

If you are to take the Bible literally then it seems like being a lesbian is A-OK with the Big Guy Upstairs. Have fun ladies. That is unless someone can fill us in differently.

[nashville_brook]

1. hot girl action honors the tradition

[dave502d]

2. Abomination by man or God. n/t

[Warpy]

3. The babble considers women as little as possible

or tapdances around the issue completely, as in the Book of Ruth.

[Lucky Luciano]

4. I wondered the same thing!

Perhaps the writers of the bible left this loophole because their minds are just as dirty as the minds of we hetero men are today! :evilgrin:

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Yep, bible was writen by men

they were homophobic, but realy dug the girl on girl action. I must say, as a straight guy, I can confirm the truth in that. But I certainly wouldn't pass off my preferences as the "word of God."

[Kire]

6. do you think it means women can't lie with men, either

Is that an abomination? Talk about a double standard.

[osiristz]

7. The "guy" upstairs?

It seems the 'god' who proclaimed abominata on gay males doesn't have an opinion on lesbianism. But then it's also the same god who requested the foreskin as a token from every male.

Looks like the early Hebrews were worshipping a lesbian deity. Only a female would ask for such a compensation, No? And a strange female at that!

Seems 'god' has a strange obsession with this particular part of the male anatomy.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Only thing I can think of

is god is the male name for a diety and goddess is female so surely he is male. Why am I not surprised? ;)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

61. I'm female and lesbian and FWIW,

I don't want your foreskin, thanks.

[Bouncy Ball]

73. Aw, why not?

I hear they're really great when used in face cream. Really just erases any fine lines or wrinkles.

Ewwwwwww.

[Trillo]

8. .

It's physically impossible for a male to lie with a male as a male would lie with a female.

Abomination = impossible.

[TreasonousBastard]

9. Oh, screw Leviticus..

by the time Jesus showed up, the Jews had long ago thrown out a lot of that stuff.

Beyond that, Jesus said what remained of the old law was pretty much void.

So, why are these fundagelicals paying more attention to Leviticus than Matthew?

The Sermon on the Mount, Jesus' actual words, doesn't count?

[FreedomAngel82]

59. Don't ya know?

They only do when it deals with homosexuality. :eyes: I'm Christian and was brought up that the OT is like a history book and should be important but since you're Christian you follow Christ hence the gospel books and new testament all together. When Jesus came and died he made the old law pretty much void as you said TreasonasBastard.

[KitchenWitch]

10. Reminds me of when I was a freshman in college

I was always a contrarian, I had to take a Christian Theology class (taught by a failed Lutheran minister). Anyhow, he lectured in class about how AIDS was God's retribution for sinners. (This was in the late 80s). I raised my hand and asked the burning question of the day. "If lesbians do not spread AIDS to other lesbians via sex, and (at the time) are the population least likely to get AIDS, that must mean that lesbians are God's chosen people."

He gasped and did not have a substantive response.

[Quixote1818]

11. Well it seems this thread confirms your observation. nt

[KitchenWitch]

12. Throughout the semester, I had a lot of fun with that professor

I wrote a scathing paper about St. Ignatius regarding the Ignatius epistles, and my main point in the paper was that Iggy was seriously mentally ill and was fatally masochistic.

I managed to get an A- in the class (even though I bucked everything the prof lectured about). I do not think the prof had ever met someone as outspoke as I was in a classroom setting.

[Quixote1818]

14. He must have had some good humor if he gave you an A -

Can you imagine Shrub as your teacher? I can just imagine him in that movie "The Wave" but Bush taking it seriously. He would have had a couple of his lynch men kids take you out back never to be seen again.

[KitchenWitch]

15. True enough

I actually came to respect him even if I didn't agree with him, since he respected me and my POV.

[FreedomAngel82]

62. Nah with Bush

he would've called up Poppy and whined some and Poppy would've sent the lynch men kids.

[Mnemosyne]

18. That is priceless, thank you KitchenWitch! n/t

[KitchenWitch]

22. Anytime vickiss!

[LostinVA]

30. Hahah! I said this very thing to a Fundie coworker

last year. Seriously -- THE EXACT words. Her eyes started spinning,a nd she started sputtering I was wrong. Even though I'm a heathen now, I know my theology. I told her to go fins a passage in the Bible, show me, and I would apologize and admit I was a sinner. She avoided me for months. Hehehhehehe...

I love being one of God's chosen people... of course, if there WAS a God, Kate Winslet would be my girlfriend...

[LiberalFighter]

43. Don't you know it's not nice to tease your superiors?

[FreedomAngel82]

60. Oh that's great!

I love that. LOL. So great. Awesome question/response!

[Toucano]

13. What's the original greek translation?

In English "as" can mean "while".

[Old Deuteronomy]

29. "Mankind"

as in ALL... either... male or female... men not with men,. women not with women... oooooooooo well....

[alittlelark]

70. nice try, but...

WRONG!

[Old Deuteronomy]

71. Okay...

that is your call, but it is NOT wrong at all. Whatever floats yer boat though. Not here to argue.

[Skittles]

16. Men wrote the bible, and men are titillated by lesbians

eom

[Spinzonner]

17. Men are titillated by women

So that includes lesbians.

What makes you think they would make an exception over a minor detail like preference ?

[Skittles]

42. they're not titillated by gay men

"Christian" men typically make an exception to the gay rule as long as it's women and they serve a titillation purpose.

[noiretextatique]

46. nor are they titlated by many actual lesbians

just the porno and "l" word versions.

[Skittles]

69. LOL did you see that SNL sketch.....

you asked the genie for REAL lesbians! Ana Gasteyer and Amy Pohler were dressed really butch. :o

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

19. Read a little closer. Romans 1. eom

[Quixote1818]

21. Don't have my Bible handy could you post it for us? nt

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

27. Romans 1:26-27

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

eom.

[LostinVA]

31. Some Commentaries also translate

This as saying women were getting "above their station." Plus, Paul was a misogynistic jerk, and was NOT Jesus. If you're a Christian, I think Jesus' words trump everyone else's...

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

35. Well, I don't want to get into a heated debate over this,

but Paul was called to preach by Christ. His words are ordained by the Spirit as well. I know people like to pick on Paul, but he was hardly perfect.

[LostinVA]

40. Paul teaches many things

antithetical to Jesus' teachings. No heated debate at all. But, to be honest, Paul's teachings were used against me, and are what made me leave the Church. And, nothing about homosexuality, either. About women. I decided if the Spirit told Paul to preach those quite horrible things he said about women, then I didn't want to be a part of it. I was told to my face many times that girls weren't as good as boys, and had Paul's writings used as an example. I am often appalled at how liberal Christians still use Paul's teachings to preach anti-women stuff.

I'm not slagging Christians. To me, a Christian is someone who espouses Christ's teachings. I don't believe Paul did that. No heated argument, this is my opinion. You're definitely welcome to yours.

[Andy_Stephenson]

47. Paul was a charlatan

and a fraud.

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

52. Many foolish preachers have taken Paul's words out of context.

[dad]

66. Paul was like the Republican apostle

Every time you argue religion/politics with a Repuke they gotta pull Paul outta their ass...

[LiberalFighter]

44. When was Paul called by Christ?

They never met!

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

51. On the road to Damascus, the Lord appeared to Paul.

Obviously, you have to believe the Bible in order to believe that event happened, but there you have it.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. Yes

He was met by Christ's spirit when he was persecuting Christians and after that Paul seemed to just do a 180.

[LiberalFighter]

75. And everyone is to take his word that the Lord appeared to him

SUCKERS

[Deja Q]

36. And if the Romans didn't exterminate the Greeks, I'd reckon the Bible

would be a lot less homophobic. :D

[Technowitch]

24. Paul's letters to the Romans speak only of 'unnatural desires'...

...being visited upon the women, as a curse directly from God. Those so-called unnatural desires are in no way defined or explained. For all we know, he could be talking about bestiality. Or cucumbers.

There are NO explicit references, statements, or prohibitions against women making love with other women. None.

[LiberalFighter]

45. I bet they didn't even have cucumbers

[JVS]

20. That's probably only because the bible was not written to be read by women

The idea of universally read scripture is relatively new.

[Quixote1818]

23. Well then to be consistent with the initial intent shouldn't fundies

not let women read the Bible at all?

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[kweerwolf]

25. There are a couple of good explanations for leaving out lesbians

in the Levitical "holiness codes."

First, the patriarchal Hebrews assumed that their "seed" contained tiny, fully formed humans. They only needed to plant their seed in the nearest incubator ... ummmm, I mean "woman" for it to grow into a baby. Thus, because women's role in reproduction was limited to that of an incumbator, they could do as they pleased as long as they submitted to a man who wanted to sow his seeds.

Second, being rather phallocentric, the early Hebrew leaders (all men, naturally) believed two women obviously couldn't have sex since neither of them had a penis.

[Old Deuteronomy]

28. The translation....

means "mankind" = either or both. Sorry.

[CTLawGuy]

72. so...

mankind shall not sleep with mankind as one sleeps with mankind?


that statement contradicts itself.

[leftofthedial]

32. can men watch?

i mean as long as there is no ass coveting going on

[Tweed]

33. Doesn't really matter, Jesus replaced the Old Testament

[RedCloud]

34. So just do it standing up!

You are not about to lie with someone then and I am not about to lie to you about how to lie!

Satanic loophole#346 "How to get past St. Peter..." Chapter 3

[spanone]

37. Is my male dog sinning when he humps 'Jack' next door?

Silly people.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Does it really matter?

I know their are the wackos out their that use this book to their advantage and forget this selectively. But, what is in the Bible and its rules really don't apply to billions of people worldwide. It should apply here either, since this is supposed to be a secular government.

[FreedomAngel82]

65. There are some out there

who think because they are Christian's they don't have to follow rules (or have rules) that go against God's will which is quite sad really since there are tons of people who don't believe in God, the Bible, Heaven, Hell and all that.

[Dave Reynolds]

39. Many of the same people

who use this book as an anti-gay statement also eat pork.

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you."

[LostinVA]

41. And play football

And wear blended-fabric clothing, and eat grafted fruit and vegetables, etc. ALL abominations. And, as a poster up thread said, JESUS' teachings superseded the OT. And, as I said up thread, I believe Jesus' teachings also supersede Paul's teachings.

[donheld]

48. OK Bible says Men cant lie with Men

So can we do it standing up?

[okasha]

49. The literal phrasing here, I believe, is

"You shall not lie with a man in a woman's bed."

Now, this might be a metaphorical way of saying "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman," but none of the surrounding Levitical laws is in the least metaphorical. It might be an expression of concern about the "uncleanness" of women, as when Rachel prevented her father from recovering the household gods her husband Jacob stole from him by sitting on them. Or it just might be an admonition to be reasonably sensitive and not bring your boyfriend into your wife's bedroom.

[donheld]

50. Cool, my bed is a man's bed

bring it on. :bounce::bounce:

[TankLV]

55. What about doggie style?

And what about the athletic stuff - standing up, upside down.

What about water sex? No one is really standing OR lying (laying - lieing) there.

And let's NOT get into the whole leather harness thing.

[jayctravis]

68. No, you just gotta be honest with your buddies.

[WillyT]

53. Interesting...

The Bible has the same rules as hetero pornos.

Who'd a thunk it???

:shrug:

[TankLV]

54. Women can lie with women, provided men can watch.

And they must add little touches like girl scouts or nurses' uniforms.

It's in Perverts 10:12:16.

Part of the new Fallwell edition.

[immoderate]

64. Catholic school uniforms.

Those knee socks and pleated skirts. Right out of the Book of Temptation.

--IMM

[Hissyspit]

56. Self-deleted; Self-flagilated...

Yes, I know I'm going to hell. :evilgrin:

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Typical male huh?

LOL. Typical male. ;)

[FM Arouet666]

67. The bible is rediculous.....

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

It would seem that eating shrimp is an abomination. Now, correct me if I am wrong, an abomination is an abomination, the big guy does not discern special scorn for certain abominations. So, two gay males eating shrimp is a double abomination, two lesbians is a single abomination, as are a couple of fundamentalists eating shrimp. However, a straight guy eating imitation crab watching two lesbians do the deed is OK.

God is a kinky son of gun. People really believe this stuff?:evilgrin:

[Spencer10]

74. Funny interpretation

I hope this doesn't offend anyone but, for those who haven't seen this before, I think this little story puts it all in perspective.

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As you know, Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

[FM Arouet666]

76. LOL

Got to love the bible, the best ammunition against fundamentalists. I had to make copies of your post, hilarious. :evilgrin:

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