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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:25 PM
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What if Bush was right?
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:27 PM
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1. But Fuckface wasn't right.
So where's the motherfucking argument?
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:29 PM
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2. What if pigs could fly?
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:33 PM
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3. Then they would be a fucking Centaur or is it a goddamn Minotaur?
What the fuck was the name of that shit?
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:34 PM
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4. The argument is that
even if Bush is right (which he isn't), "democracy" in the middle east may work against his true objective which is to continue U.S. domination of the region.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:36 PM
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6. AH, thank you!
Wow, yeah, that would be weird for him and his cronies, wouldn't it?

Still, no worries. I don't see anything like democracy "breaking out" in the ME.

Would that it were, for the sake of those living there. But with these fuckwads in charge, everything they touch goes to shit.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:38 PM
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10. It's worth remembering
that the U.S. overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader and installed the Shaw when he threatened to nationalize BP's oil wells.

Democratically elected leaders do what's best for their constituents. We want people who do what's best for our corporations.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:58 PM
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15. Not to be picky, not to be personal, and certainly not to diminish the
truth of your message but it's shah... and here is a book that you could probably read if you haven't already... :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471678783/qid=1110747451/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-6246841-4909658?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0471678783.01._PIdp-schmooS,TopRight,7,-26_PE32_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

From Publishers Weekly
With breezy storytelling and diligent research, Kinzer has reconstructed the CIA's 1953 overthrow of the elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mossadegh, who was wildly popular at home for having nationalized his country's oil industry. The coup ushered in the long and brutal dictatorship of Mohammad Reza Shah, widely seen as a U.S. puppet and himself overthrown by the Islamic revolution of 1979. At its best this work reads like a spy novel, with code names and informants, midnight meetings with the monarch and a last-minute plot twist when the CIA's plan, called Operation Ajax, nearly goes awry. A veteran New York Times foreign correspondent and the author of books on Nicaragua (Blood of Brothers) and Turkey (Crescent and Star), Kinzer has combed memoirs, academic works, government documents and news stories to produce this blow-by-blow account. He shows that until early in 1953, Great Britain and the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company were the imperialist baddies of this tale.

Intransigent in the face of Iran's demands for a fairer share of oil profits and better conditions for workers, British Foreign Secretary Herbert Morrison exacerbated tension with his attitude that the challenge from Iran was, in Kinzer's words, "a simple matter of ignorant natives rebelling against the forces of civilization." Before the crisis peaked, a high-ranking employee of Anglo-Iranian wrote to a superior that the company's alliance with the "corrupt ruling classes" and "leech-like bureaucracies" were "disastrous, outdated and impractical." This stands as a textbook lesson in how not to conduct foreign policy.
Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information, Inc.--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:05 PM
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17. Of course it's shah. Thanks for the correction and the suggestion.
That's one I've missed but will appreciate. :)
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:37 PM
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8. Fuckface doesn't want Democracy in the ME
He didn't even want the fucking elections. Randi was right when she said this shit was "chaos by design". These motherfuckers can't steal and pillage without chaos and anarchy. You are spot on with the shit that the Fuckface Cabal doesn't want Democracy.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:44 PM
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14. EGG-ZACTLY...
That's what I've been thinking for some time now. Be careful what you wish for, Mr. President.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:34 PM
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5. The cartoon is dead on, but I hope your subject line
was sarcastic as hell. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:37 PM
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9. oh, a little sarcastic, yes
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:36 PM
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7. here is a real good answer
he has!!! there is no stopping the fire of liberation!!!people are taking to the streets to show their love of liberation and democratic elections!
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EA171FE1-120C-464F-B2C6-0BD56B581328.htm
Aljazeera.Net - Hizb Allah protest blasts 'US meddling'
opps...
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:39 PM
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11. he's very Right, who doesn't know that? n/t
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:42 PM
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12. he was right
I am very careful when I eat pretzels now.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:42 PM
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13. Yep he is right....
so far to the right that he long ago fell off the edge...to insanity.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:00 PM
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16. A one dimensional thinker in charge of the worlds baddest military
doing things with it that are neither moral or just. The force is preparing to give him a dose of reality... this will be interesting.. watching him, Cheney and Rumsfeld squirm and concede.
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