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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:15 PM
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I like Ike.

He was a great guy and a good president. The Dems even talked to him about running in 48. Why can't the republicans run people like him anymore?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:17 PM
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1. So do I
Ike is my cat.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:25 PM
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2. Me, too. But he should have been nicer to Tina.
:)

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:41 PM
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5. Way
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RobertKennedyjr Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:32 PM
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3. Apparently Ike didn't really know whether he was a Democrat or a
Republican, but chose to run as a Republican, so therefore, I presume his policies leaned towards both sides.
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:33 PM
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4. We Don't Have (many) People Running Like Ike ...
Anymore. My father served in WWII and 'LOVED' Ike (Did I Use Caps?) the 'general' and Mamie from Abalene,Ks..and loved them along with lots of other people. Personally, even though as a 'baby boomer' I wasn't quite here yet I came to like 4 term FDR and 'Give em hell' Harry S with his wife Bess (boss)..Ike I guess had the 'know how' and came along at the right time.(Can you imagine 'that time'? I do admire my father, Ike, and all of the hell they endured and encountered back then.. Gen. Wesley Clarke seems like a nice guy today and I'm sure he has paid his dues. Many folks say they could live with him. I might be willing to give it a crack too! There is something to be said and genuinely 'party blind' about 'know how' and people who have stood face to face with evil.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:47 PM
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6. I wrote this about Ike & my Dad last summer .....
A story of three republicans....



Dwight David Eisenhower in June 1944 kept a copy of a speech in his pocket saying the failure of the landing at Normandy was his fault

and he accepted the blame. Because the invasion was a success he never had to give that speech and the forces of good fought and overcame the force of evil that was Nazi Germany. But Gen. Eisenhower with the weight of the world on his shoulders was willing to take the blame if anything went wrong. Before operation overlord started he went and spent time with the 101st "Screaming Eagles" as they were getting ready to jump into enemy held land and take heavy causalities. That is called leadership.



In 1958 a U.S. spy plane was shot down over the Soviet Union, his aids were willing to take the blame for then President Eisenhower,

yet he stepped forward and said the mission were done on his command. Sometimes the right way is not the easy way. However it is still the right way.



In 1960 as he was stepping down from office he gave a speech to the American people warning about the growing danger of the Military Industrial complex and the danger it posed to America. That is called real love of country and stewardship of the spirt that makes this country great.


Last February, as the stories of President Bush's service record were getting play in the media I found my Dad's service jacket on his dinning room table. He was in the Navy in the late 1940's and early 1950's. His tour was extended because of Korea. The records were opened to the page that accounted for his time. Every day was accounted for and signed off on by a superior officer. A life long republican and a highly educated man I could tell he was "fact checking" the story that the President's team was trying to tell. I never asked him but I could tell he was not buying the bullshit from the White House. To someone like my Dad it was about accountability with the data being shown in black and white rows of dates and no room for equivocation.



To me it seems the Iraqi war was built on on lies and has been a failure. Not a failure of valor of our troops but a failure of honesty and leadership. Yet not word one from the Bush camp about accepting the blame. Even though they were the ones who instigated this bloody mess.



When Dwight David, warned about the dangers of the Military Industrial complex he knew of what he spoke. And now I see the face of the Military Industrial complex in the face of the Vice President.



This election is not about parties or labels it is about leadership, accountability, honesty, and "real" love of country.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:50 PM
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10. Thank you for that
Your dad is a wise man.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:27 AM
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12. Ike lied about the U2 spy plane
He repeatedly denied we were spying on Russia at all until Russia produced the pilot, Francis Gary Powers – alive. I lived through this episode and it was very humiliating and embarrassing when Ike finally admitted we were guilty as charged.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:58 PM
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7. Because today Ike would be a democrat. There is no way that
Ike would go with the Fundie/Corporation alliance. He despised both groups.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:24 PM
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8. I don't.
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 10:25 PM by Minstrel Boy
Because of Ike, a united Vietnam didn't have an election in 1955 which would have seen Ho Chi Minh win by a massive margin. You know the rest.

Because of Ike, the democratic Arbenz government of Guatemala was overthrown, because it challenged the United Fruit Company. You know the rest.

Because of Ike, the democratic Mossadeq government of Iran was overthrown, because it challenged Anglo-US petroleum interests. You know the rest.

Because of Ike, US Cuban policy was set on a 50-year course of madness and misery.

The "military-industrial complex" warning was nice, but coming as he was leaving office, having done nothing about it, was a bit of a deathbed confession.
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pen dragon Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:27 PM
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9. ...
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 10:36 PM by pen dragon


It's easy to blame the president for everything that goes on his administration. Dubya is a willing servant of his masters, Ike far less so, but he was surrounded by enough fascist slimeballs and it'd be downright impossible to keep a lid on all the bad apples. Look at how Rumsfeld and Cheney came up under Ford, a relatively (by all accounts) decent politician. Ike despised Nixon. My insticts tell me Ike was disgusted by the corporate shenanigans in Guatemala and he made a few mistakes that history hasn't looked kindly upon, but Ike was a great American and would never throw in with these shitball neocons


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:54 PM
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11. Well, if you knew the guy he ran against Adlai Stevenson,
who was actually an aristocratic intellectual, you would know why Ike appealed to the same people * appeals to now. The big difference is that Ike had something that amounted to a heart. Adlai, in spite of his seemingly unapproachability actually wanted what we want for ourselves as a nation.
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