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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:00 PM
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Why is ATF involved in Atlanta
Why is it with any "large" profile case these days somehow the ATF becomes involved? With the Nichols thing in Atlanta, it's ATF this and ATF that. ---what, didn't he pay taxes on the bullets he used or something?

The ATF is a taxing entity and not a guns and boots group.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:01 PM
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1. Thy're often called in by local authorities to assist.
It's not unusual at all.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:05 PM
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2. "ATF is a taxing entity"?
Not necessarily. I believe that they are the only Federal law-enforcement entity specifically trained for SWAT-type situations.

I could be wrong, though.
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 02:27 PM
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9. and the FBI swat team is ??? chop liver?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:45 PM
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3. I think you might be confused.
The ATF does much more than tax. They often train and assist local law enforcement, for example.

http://www.atf.gov/about/mission.htm
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:45 PM
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4. Well, god damn them for catching the bad guy, anyway.
How dare this taxing entity actually assist in the capture of the murderer of three people, including a judge and deputy sherriff.

Time for the feds to stop interfering with state criminals.
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:48 PM
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5. The guy killed a Federal judge.
At that point, it was no longer just a State or local crime.
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Riding this Donkey Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:55 PM
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6. I don't believe it was a Federal Judge, but a state judge.
I believe the feds are involved due to the amount of murders.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:58 PM
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7. The judge was a state judge
but there could have been a fed law involved somewhere. Illegal possession of a gun could do it.
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Riding this Donkey Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:00 PM
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8. Also, I think that if they had an inkling that he might pass over the
state line, whether they had proof or not, they could take control.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 02:43 PM
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10. There was a Border-Patrol-Agent........
killed, and the agents truck and badge were found with the suspect, making his murder a federal crime.
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:35 PM
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11. Actually you are wrong
It is only a federal crime if the customs agent was killed in the process of doing his job. If he was not on the job at the time of the offense, this is a state crime.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 07:19 PM
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13. Right you are.....and
i remember that being discussed, and whether it was obvious that he was a fed at the time the crime was committed. The station i heard it on was giving that as an explanation for why he was in federal custody, but as you point out thats probably a bunch of hooey, and i fell for it again. wWhen will i learn?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 05:39 PM
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12. I can't believe anyone is bitching about anyone who assisted in
catching this guy. There's a point where local/state/federal converge to get somebody very dangerous as fast as they can. Do I mind my federal tax dollars contributing? No.
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queeg Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:35 PM
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14. Actually it is the point
The New democratic party---the party of Clinton-Gore is a party of LESS government, and LESS government intrusion. YOU are part of OLD big government democrats.

So the question remains--How many government agencies nees to be carrying guns. and how many government agencies need their own SWAT teams, and why is a federal Taxing agency (ATF) part of an operation to bring in a non-federal escapee.


You may in the end want more "security" and such at courthouses, but this poses the question is this a permanent way of life, this "more security". When does it end?
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