Tinfoil Time: Why Clinton Is Sucking Up To Poppy

[dbt]

(DISCLAIMER: Please let this be a Fool Notion. Please let it be just some sort of Thought Control that the BFEE has beamed at me through the History Channel so I will look like a bigger fool than I already am. Please, Goddess, let me be wrong about this!)

ITEM: Hillary Clinton has recently made a couple of rather dramatic rightward moves on Abortion and the War in IraQ.

ITEM: Bill Clinton has recently been seen in WAY close and frequent proximity to the very Head of the Bush Family Evil Empire himself, the dreaded George Herbert Walker Bush.

QUESTION: What the FUCK is going on here? Why would Bill cozy up to the very Reptile that spent better than eight years trying to wipe him off the face of the political Earth?

THESIS: Bill knows that Poppy has enough control over this country to get Hillary elected President in 2008. If the Old Man gives the word, she sits in the Oval Office! (And it is all about "electability," is it not?)

Discuss.

:freak:

[hippiechick]

1. OMG. I hope you're wrong, but you may be right.

:scared:

[Ninga]

2. Here is the deal. Bill by associating with the Bush clan, elevates him

above the fray, makes him more than a former President and raises his esteem with moderates and conservatives. "After all, folks can say, how bad can he be if poppy and son of parade him around the White House."

Hillary is following the same track. She is well regarded by the GOP and even has them fund raising for her in NY. She talks a moderate game, check out her voting record.

Neither one of them is associating with progressive and/or mainstream Dem values.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. That's My Take

Bill is looking far more presidential than either of the Bush buffoons. (Especially, of course, Li'l Georgie.) That's the excercise in a nutshell. Making Li'l Georgie look like the idiot he is, by showing what a president really acts like in public.
The Professor

[johnfunk]

28. President Clinton is establishing an image as an elder statesman

Let's not forget that the one-two punch of the Big Dog and poppy is helping an awful lot of people who had their lives destroyed. They're both doing a very, very good thing and bringing attention to a stroy that's not going to be over for years - and that has nothing to do with bare-knuckle politics.

By the time 2008 rolls around, the afore-mentioned Democratic Elder Statesman will be on the same message as Howard Dean and our nominee.

It's part of a long-term strategy to take back America.

[Ironpost]

3. The old man won't stand a chance (poppy bush)

The young man (Bill Clinton) will chew him up and spit him out. Much more disciplined, poised and intelligent, go ahead and flame me about the sordid affair but I stand by what I say. Poppy, hell the whole bush empire won't know what hit 'em. Do you actually think Bill will take the attempt to tear him down for years lying down, I think not and I look forward to the day that he unleashes his rage. I love Bill Clinton.

[Just Me]

35. I sincerely do hope that you are right 'cause,...

,...seriously, I get the heebie jeebies everytime I see the three of them together.

Sadly, I even wonder whether Bill's good will is being manipulated ultimately leading to him getting screwed.

I wouldn't trust any of the Bushes at any time for any reason.

[Michael_UK]

4. Isn't it more likely that...

She's beginning a campaign for President in 2008, and they want to get rid of the image as a "divider" that so often goes with the Clintons (either you love 'em or hate 'em).

Being friendly with Bush Sr only helps her in that regard. No conspiracy required!

[Cooley Hurd]

5. IMHO, it's probably because of the larger issue of Tsunami relief...

Big Dog is taking this very seriously - it was a horrible disaster that took almost a half million lives and I would imagine he's looking past who and what Poppy is to facilitate getting help for the victims of it.

As far as letting Poppy Skeletor sleep in the bed is concerned, I'm confident Clinton did that as a gesture of respect to an elder.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. I think you are correct.

I also think that paranoia, while healthy in these times, can run away with itself. A touchstone for when that happens is when we start entertaining ideas best left to the FweepeeZ and Pigboy.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

6. It might be a case of excessive early morning coffee

You might be reading too much into this.

But who can be 100% sure?

Maybe that's what I want you to believe. ?

What if I'm part of the conspiracy?

What if I'm not?

What if I just wrote that last question just to confuse you?

Or did I really intend to confuse you?

Or did I express those doubts just to confuse you?

:tinfoilhat:

[acmavm]

8. The Clintons are two of the most opportunistic people on the face of

the earth. This is all about Hillary and the 2008 nomination. They'd sell every damn last one of us out to ensure she's in the running. and they very well may do just that.

[depakid]

24. Agreed-

My Republican father warned me about the Clintons back in '92- said I'd be sorely disappointed with Bill's performance- that he was, as you say, an opportunist who'd would sell out everything I believed in and would damage the party irreparably the party in the process.

He sure called that shot....

[zipplewrath]

9. Take off the Tin Hat

Bill and Senior are both part of one of the most exclusive clubs on the face of the planet, ex-pres. They have no basis for conflict at this point, and have been thrust together a couple of times. Once at the dedication to his Library, and then the whole Tsunami thang. And let's be honest, Billary was never particularly ideologically a left winger or liberal. He dove hard right after '94, and to a great degree was predominately right leaning in his whole DLC activity. When he was pres, I used to ask liberal friends what he had accomplished that they admired. They had a hard time naming things. His fiscal accomplishments these days are predominantly what we hear of, and about half of that was accomplished with the "help" of the republican House. You like welfare reform (///destruction)? Defense(less) marriage act? Don't ask don't tell (we'll hunt ya down anyway)? How about getting yer butt beat coming out of the gate on health care and NEVER trying anything again. Ya, it was better than the alternatives, but ultimately he was as much Liberman and Biden as anything else.

And Hillary doesn't particularly have to "dive" right. Let us remember she was a republican oh so many years ago. She, like Liberman and Biden, would be vastly more comfortable on the otherside of the aisle, except that they wouldn't have any sort of leadership role and would have the whole Whittman/Jeffords feeling most of the time. I have mixed emotions about her getting into the race. I don't think she'll have a prayer, not even as good as Libby Dole had. But it could drive the final, very large, nail in the coffin of the DLC. The only real problem is that she could really hoover the table of campaign cash, and she'd be the poster girl for the next RNC fund raising drive.

[Ninga]

12. You are so right on!!!

[tx_dem41]

10. He's doing it because unlike political hacks...

he knows how politics works in the long run (especially when working from a position of numerical weakness)...making relationships "across the aisle" and having to make compromises to get some or most of what you want. Sometimes its ugly, and sometimes it fails miserably, but that is what he knows to do.

Plus, unlike political hacks, I believe Clinton is a sincere human being and a true "man of his faith" and doesn't really know how to hate someone.

[tinonedown]

21. True man of faith?!

True men of faith don't run around on their wives. Speaking of which, will be a better policy president than her husband. I think she is going to surprise a lot of people.

[tx_dem41]

27. You conveniently misquoted me.....

I said "true man of HIS faith". Please, try to get the quote right next time.

[leesa]

11. I've always wondered about Clinton's role with the BFEE.

I read a suggestion long ago by someone that it might have been Clinton's job to build the surplus for the looting that was to come.

[tx_dem41]

13. Its amazing how effective the BFEE is at swaying and dividing...

Democrats and DUers in general. No, its not amazing. Its sad.

[Ninga]

15. Don't be amazed, we are not divided. Those of us who are very

liberal and progressive believe that Bill Clinton didn't even come close to scratching the surface of his potential.

I hated his welfare bill, and I hated NAFTA. He did some good stuff by reducing the size of the Federal Gov. and good stuff with the economy.

But left so much on the table, which ultimately left the folks at the bottom of the economic ladder fall further behind.

He didn't deliver one state for Kerry, and hasn't been a voice for the less fortunate in THIS country for a long time.

[tx_dem41]

16. You will never find a president that you are close to 100% happy with...

I surely wasn't 100% happy with Clinton either. That's a far cry from a Democrat calling him a part of an evil empire. People that do say this on a Democratic forum ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[Ninga]

18. Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with you when you say those

who associate him with an "evil empire" are dead wrong.

He is too self serving to be associated with any group that can pin him down.

It is today's environment that has me fascinated with Clinton. I watch him with interest and wonder how this will all play out for him.

I have a word of caution for him though, and it's to tell him that the political environment today is very, very different from 1992 when he mastered the triangulation of the GOP.

A lot of people are looking for change, just take a look at Kerry's final tally.

[Solomon]

14. I hate to say it, cause I love Slick Willie, but he's part of the

empire.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. :::putting my tinfoil hat in place:::: I believe he is part of the

"empire" or more precisely, the Illuminati. He was a Rhodes Scholar, and Cecil Rhodes was Illuminati. Like Skull and Bones members, I think he signed his name in blood on the dotted line.......

[Malva Zebrina]

19. So do they have a little tete a tete about the current state of the nation

ya think? Discuss the delusions and the failures of the fortunate son? Discuss better ways to do it. Poppy goes back to George with suggestions, maybe.

[elehhhhna]

20. Maybe it's Poopy who's doing the buttering up...

He enjoys the company of intelligent, charismatic people. Always has. Perhaps he's kicking little GW's ass with this traitorous friendship. Or he's just having fun pissing Bar off (she NEVER forgives).

At any rate it probably annoys GW. YEY!

[bullimiami]

22. keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

the clintons are as dogged and cutthroat as the bushs'

i hate bush morality and politics
im not crazy about clinton morality and politics, say a little cooler than lukewarm.

BUT compared to bushs the clintons are saints.

[Ilsa]

25. The Clintons have moved to the center

for elections. They've done it historically, and she is doing it this time as well. SHe is positioning herself as a moderate or centrist Dem.
But I don't like it one bit.

[Poppyseedman]

26. Bill Clinton is on an undercover mission for Hillary

Secret black ops to undercover the BFEE plans.

If worst comes to worst, he can always pull out the sushi and give Poppy a fatal dose of projectile vomiting

[JohnyCanuck]

29. As frequent DU poster Minstrel Boy explained in his post

on a similiar thread a few days ago, it's because they both owe their allegiance and their access to power to the National Security State.

From Minstrel Boy's blog:


I mentioned Jackson Stephens. Let's take a quick look.


The Arkansas billionaire was the principal domestic bagman for both George HW Bush and Bill Clinton.

The Kerry Committee identified Stephens as "possibly BCCI's principal US broker," having facilitated its first American acquisitions, the National Bank of Georgia and its former parent, Financial General Bankshares. Stephens in fact introduced the bank's Pakistani financier, Agha Hasan Abedi, to Bert Lance way back in 1975. And Stephens, along with Salem bin Laden via James Bath, became the financial saviours of George W Bush's troubled Harken Energy.

Stephens' name is linked to everything from BCCI to Mena to PROMIS to 9/11 (Daniel Hopsicker has found Stephens "active" in Venice Florida, where the 9/11 pilots trained and were sheltered.) Enough spirals to make even the late Mark Lombardi dizzy.

So, is Stephens a Republican or Democrat? What a silly question. His first allegiance is to the National Security Agency:

More at:
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/bill-and-george-happy-at-last.html

[dbt]

37. Thank you, JohnnyCanuck.

I am quite a fan of Minstrel Boy, but I missed his thread entirely. To see "Mr. Jack" Stephens in the spotlight scares me a good bit--as it should scare anyone who's not familiar with the history of that family.

[Minstrel Boy]

38. hey, thanks Johny

:hi:

Clinton became part of the problem when he provided cover, while governor, for Bush's Iran/Contra drug running out of Mena.

[dbt]

39. MB, do you know that for true?

I have heard so much both ways about that Mena airport business that I am more crosseyed than usual!

[Minstrel Boy]

40. About Mena?

I can say it's as true as anything I know, without having witnessed it myself.

Ken Starr steered clear, because he'd helped draft the law, in the early 80s, that exempted the CIA from reported its drug-related crimes. He was as interested in shielding Mena from the light as was both Clinton and Bush.

I know Mena has a rep among Democrats as being a "right wing" smear against Clinton, but Clinton wasn't dealing drugs; it was the CIA. The budget of Arkansas received some funds for services rendered.

Cockburn and St Clair's Whiteout is very solid on this. Reed's Compromised and Leveritt's The Boys on the Tracks are worth consulting, as well.

[dbt]

44. Thanks!

Living in Arkansas, this was a way old story before it ever broke nationally. I moved on from it so long ago that I can't remember he-said from she-said. I appreciate the info!

[radwriter0555]

30. Well, Poppy DID hand Clinton HIS presidency, didn't he?

Not a bad conjecture. One I will pay attention to, since the GOP are the only ones trotting Senator Clinton out to hire for the office.

[Silverhair]

31. Well, if its tinfoil time - Aren't both Trilateral Commission Members?

So what if they are? After all, the Trilateral Commission is just a group of really major, major international businessmen, bankers and politician, (No pro atheletes, movies stars, pop singers invited.)who have no interest except acting as a group to exchange ideas. All they do is talk - right? Errrrr - that is right isn't it? Isn't it? Yeah, people whose whole lives are built around acting on ideas are participating in a huge chat, that's all.

Hmmm. If Carter, Bush v.1, and Clinton are TC members, what does that say about W?

See? If I want to, I can put on a tinfoil hat with the best of you tinfoil hatters.

Note: In reality I think Clinton was simply trying to help the tsunami victims and was being a class act (As well as a savy politico) by giving up the bed.

[Drifter]

32. Sorry, to think Poppy has the power ...

to do this, yet he called for his own defeat to Clinton.

That's ridiculous.

Cheers
Drifter

[spooked911]

41. You just didn't understand his master plan! (wink)

[SoCalDem]

33. Because republicans control the media and the message

and BC is trying to see to it that he is not continually trashed by them in his retirement.:shrug:

[Ivan Sputnik]

34. Maybe Clinton thinks he can influence W

by cozying up to Poppy. Seems unlikely, though. I don't think Poppy has much, if any, influence over W.

[jdots]

36. key up bad sci fi synth music......

It is all in my book " Underground Mind Control Tunnels under Area 53&3/4 "

[donsu]

42. maybe both Clintons are operating under a THREAT given to them by

the criminal bushgang?

anthrax worked well on dems in congress and the press.

[catzies]

43. I heard Pres. Clinton speak in LA last week. Lots of praise for Poppy.

Here's what I think:

First, we know the current administration despises liberals and progressives and love that they are in complete power and control right now.

But, to a certain extent, they still need "the consent of the governed." We're not even allowed into Bush/Cheney rallies, but they have to speak to us somehow.

Enter President Clinton - the Blue States' Commander-in-Chief.

Last week Pres. Clinton told us that we have to change how we do things as Dems. He said 94% of the country is aligned on one side or the other and that the curent political battles are waged to influence the other 6% toward one side or the other.

Simply, Pres. Clinton talks to us because who better to reach us and convince us not to stay alienated and disaffected?