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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:11 PM
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Frankly I think we should stop holding Bill Clinton as some savior
The bastard put the Democrats and country in the state it is in today because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants

I don't care about the sex, the lie, any of that, he knew the right wing nazis were gunning for him, and was even warned by his staff not to mess around, but still did.

DAMN HIM!!!

I have no doubt that Gore would have won * by a wide margin if it wasn't for that crap.

I am sick and tired of "republican" like democrats. I want people like Boxer, and anyone else who voted against the war in Iraq because they knew it was a LIE!!!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:14 PM
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1. I don't!
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 09:15 PM by benburch
But he sure beat the fuck out of this treasonous unelected cokehead we have now, didn't he?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:16 PM
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2. I agree, but
he allowed himself to be setup, and that is unforgivable, because it screwed all of us
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:16 PM
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3. Florida screwed us.
Gore won.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:20 PM
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5. yup, but it would not have been a contest
if Clinton didn't set the media frenzy

The economy was booming, and the only thing the media would talk about was the BJ. They wouldn't the ammunition if Clinton didn't give it to them.

Now they control a three branches of government and the media
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:28 PM
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10. No argument there. nt
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:17 PM
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4. flame bait ...
nothing else.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:20 PM
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6. Both of you are correct. (nt)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:22 PM
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7. I will tell you why it isn't
because Clinton isn't the issue. The issue is social security, a woman's right to choose, health care, the iraq war, an energy policy, etc.

Our party needs to set the agenda, not always play the defensive
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:27 PM
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9. then what is the reason for your post?
To pile onto the last Democrat to win the White House? What the fuck do you want the man to do? Suicide? Self exile? What?

:grr:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:37 PM
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19. of course not
the repugs love Bill Clinton, or Hillary for that matter because they don't have to talk about the issues, they can talk about "morality and sin"

We need to focus on Democratic principles and move forward

Maybe you are right, and the thread is a flame, but I get extremely frustrated by what is happening, and WHY are we always on the defensive.

* is trying to get one of the PNAC creators to be ambassador to the U.N. This appointment is to an individual who does NOT even believe the U.N. should exist.

The bankrupcy bill is going to hurt the ones in our society who can least afford it. Isn't that what our party stands for? Why can't we stand unified like the repukes?

If the moderator wants to delete that's cool
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:45 PM
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21. no they don't ...
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 09:49 PM by Pepperbelly
they hate them both with all the passion of their stunted little souls. That is patently EXACTLY the opposite of everything I have observed since Bill Clinton went national. They hate him so much their hair bleeds.

They hate Hillary so much the older ones have to take valiums before her name comes up so they can avoid CVAs.

BTW, one reason we cannot be unified "like the pukes" is because if our leaders do not say and do exactly as we want them to do, we throw fucking tantrums and act like spoiled children denied an extra piece of cake. We are as fickle a demographic as you could find.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:38 PM
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34. you're right, the solution is to vote out the republican lite dems like
liberman, zell miller etc.

start at the local offices and work up
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:08 AM
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51. Go for it or run for office yourself ...
But this constant whining serves no purpose at all.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:42 PM
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36. yep--lots of that going around lately n/t
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:24 PM
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8. i agree
that laisez faire, rock and roll thing was a mistake. They should have run a much tighter ship. While i did/do like bill clinton he is arguably one of the worst democratic presidents because of what he let slip away. George *ush is the worst president and is an evil and stupid man that should burn in hell.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:29 PM
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11. Dems didn't know what hit them what with 'rove' & the 'new rules'.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:29 PM
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12. i agree.......n/t
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:29 PM
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13. Do you really believe
that Clinton was the only president to screw around in office? Or is he the only one the press reported? Why does this bush have a homosexual prostitute with press access? Who did the last bush have as his honeypot down the hall from the oval office? Get real....they all did it except raygun who was a zillion years old and viagra wasn't invented yet.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:38 PM
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20. absolutely right, and in addition they are even worse
but because we have the cards stacked against us, we should be extra careful
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:30 PM
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14. Where is a "crappiest thread" button? Anyone? eom
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:01 PM
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28. I'd vote for that.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:55 PM
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44. I like that. I nominate this one!
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:31 PM
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15. Clinton!
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 09:36 PM by Bark Bark Bark
Clinton made the GOP delve into his private life!
Clinton made the media focus on sex sex sex!
Clinton made the voters selfish and stupid!
Clinton made Gore campaign badly!
Clinton made Gore do "the kiss!"
Clinton made 9-11 happen!
Clinton made Kirstie Alley fat!
Clinton made things go bad in Iraq!
It's all Clinton's fault!
IT'S ALL CLINTON'S FAULT!
WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!!!!
(sarcasm off)

Following this sort of logic, Jesus Christ is at fault for all the Christians' suffering throughout history. A rape victim is at fault because she went outside. And it'll be Boxer's fault that she comes off as "excitable" when the media sets about destroying her.

Things will never get better until the idiot-to-non-idiot ratio changes in this country, because idiots are allowed to vote.

Demonizing Clinton ain't helping one damn bit. We had it good under Bill. Some seem to have forgotten HOW good.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:32 PM
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16. bingo!
New Left has always been more than willing to sacrifice good on the alter of pefect.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:57 PM
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45. That's gotta be one of the better quotes on here or anywhere in a longtime
That is really good!

Short and sweet and to the point.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:52 PM
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41. "Clinton made Kirstie Alley fat!" LMAO!!!
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:33 PM
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17. Not a savior, simply the best fucking President this country has seen
since Franklin D. Roosevelt.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:37 PM
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18. the brightest spot in the 20th century were his terms as Prez. nt
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:59 PM
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27. actually, the big book of Tom Tomorrow
was ripping into him pretty good, from a progressive POV. It sorta reminded me of why I never voted for him. He was like the original Repub-lite. Also LO (Liberal Oasis) was writing recently how his "era of big government is over" was a mistake which is what I wrote to him right after he said it. I sorta flip flop on my opinion of him, which is a moot point anyway, since he is from the past. I will not have another chance to vote for him again, but I might have to vote for his wife.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:09 AM
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52. and Tom Tomorrow is where I should ...
get ALL of my political opinions.

Whoever wrote that is full of shit. BC was the brightest spot politically in the 20th century.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:58 PM
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88. I seem to agree with Tom ideologically
and do not see factual errors in areas where he is talking about things I know.

So we are cool with NAFTA, GATT, MFN with China, welfare reform, tacking to the right at least with statements like "the era of big government is over", pardoning millionaires like Marc Rich and leaving Leonard Peltier in jail, etc., etc? Some of that was due to a hostile House and a hostile press, but it was under his leadership that we lost the House, and as the OP said he must take at least a little blame for Lewinskygate.
I was certainly happy to see Dole lose in 1996, but I had the luxury of voting socialist to protest what I felt was Clinton's lack of progressivism. Also he did not do anything for Ada Deer in Wisconsin that I remember so Scott Klug (R) was re-elected, whereas Bush shamelessly, and effectively, uses Airforce 1 as a campaign plane.
Reading Robert Reich's "Locked in the Cabinet" and Carville's "It's still the economy stupid" made me see him in a better light, but I still do not think he is all that.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:10 PM
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89. who has been better ...
in improving the lives of the American people?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:46 PM
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22. You know what..
.... Bill Clinton is a flawed man. Just like all of us. But for all the things he did wrong, and there were plenty, I honestly believe he is a "good" man.

How do I define a "good" man? He really cared about people and tried to help them.

Yeah, the Monica thing bums me out. For all the scandal, I'd have hoped he got more than a BJ from a tart. Had he a harem in the white house, perhaps the phony outrage would have been justified.

But again, we all screw up from time to time, and nobody is all good or all bad. On balance, Bill Clinton was a good president.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:47 PM
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23. bill got a blowjob.
SO WHAT?

it was the republican congress that hijacked this country. it was linda tripp, whoreing for the republicans, who was determined to help bring down clinton. she felt she had been wronged. never mind that she had made her own bed, but didn't want to lie in it. it was monica, who, in her own words, wanted to be able to tell her grandchildren that she had an affair with the president. it was monica's mom, who taught monica how to play the game (a game similar to the one she played on luciano pavarotti), who told her not to wash the dress.

these people were all part and parcel of the huge republican effort, backed up by the hysterical rightwing "so-called christians", to bring down the most popular president we have had in decades.

if it had not been a blowjob, believe me, they would have found some other excuse.

if the democrats would put even half the energy into getting rid of republicans as the republicans put into bringing down clinton, things would probably be a lot different.

poor bill just gave in to the seduction trap. it was a mistake, and one that was taken full advantage of. but that mistake was nothing compared to the wholesale rape of the economy, the constitution, the environment and the soul of america.

and americans know it. but they have been bought and paid for, and don't care. as long as they can be "soccer moms", "nascar dads", and drive their SUVs to shop at the malls, watch tantalizing, sensational diversion news stories about michael jackson, kobe bryant, or any other completely irrelevant crap, (while the corporate media become whores themselves by being the boyking's pravda) americans can justify their greedy, selfish lifestyle by saying, "see, we are so much better off", while actually being one or two paychecks from economic ruin.

AND americans don't even care enough to demand accountability in the voting process.

again, americans don't care. america is getting what it richly deserves. and we can thank the democrats for not doing something about it.

end rant.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:50 PM
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24. I agree 100%! Bill & Hillary = Rethug Lite. eom
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:53 PM
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25. I felt let down by Big Dog in '98, but I got over it pretty quickly...
No one is perfect, especially if they are being hounded by a right-wing independent prosecutor 24/7.

The frothing-at-the-mouth GOP would have driven a saint into the ground.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:53 PM
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26. Recap now on Pax Tv
Paula Jones is taking a polygraph test...

in the lead up segment, they flashed the title of Clinton's autobiography, and for a second there it said 'My Lies' ...

it will never go away with the MSM/bs they have now. oh, the program is called "Lie Detector"


dp
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:06 PM
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29. Fuck that noise. And fuck the attitude...
... that we have to tear down every Democrat who might conceivably be an icon for us.

Nobody claims Clinton was a saint. But is it so terrible for us to look back at his tenure in office as a better time for our country?

Quit doing the repukes' work for them.

As for Al Gore... you've got it backwards. If Gore had had the brains to bring Clinton on stage with him from the very start of the campaign, maybe he'd have won by a clear enough margin to actually claim the prize.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:12 PM
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30. Americans need to stop holding ALL politicians as saviors.
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 10:12 PM by FlemingsGhost
Tell me, DU, what exactly is the difference between unwavering support from a democrat, regarding Clinton, and a Republican's unwavering support for Bush?

There is none .... and both are fools.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:14 PM
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32. Unwavering support for a Democrat?
I must not have been online that day. :shrug:
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intrepid_wanderer Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:59 PM
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47. BRAVO Flemmings... BRAVO! n/t
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:14 PM
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31. The reasons to hate Clinton are legion...but the BJ isn't one of them
Let me get this straight: in light of his ignominious policies--Plan Columbia, the preservation of the Iraqi sanctions, his triangulation ventures with Mssrs. Gore and Morris, the Telecommunications Act, Welfare Reform, the expansion of the Drug War--you feel betrayed by a mere BJ?

This is akin to decrying Hitler because of all the deaths that occurred on the autobon.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:18 PM
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33. Too bad.
So sad....
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:40 PM
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35. Motherfucking Flame Bait.
Clinton was a great President.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:16 PM
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50. Do all your subject lines have to include "motherf---ing flamebait"?
I don't agree with the OP's assertion--my hatred of Clinton stems from the man's policies, not his sexual proclivities--but aren't there better ways to counter it?

P.S. Profanity is usually more effective when used sparingly.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:37 AM
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55. %*&^%#$^%*(()*%$##%^^&**^%$^&&*(((&^%#$$%^^&&
There aren't enough expletives to counter this thoughtless attack on the most successful president since Roosevelt. Peace and prosperity characterized his term. Muckraking and character assassination, as typified by this post, were the hallmarks of his opposition.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:54 PM
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66. Your ad hominem attacks are duely fucking noted.
Do you have any specifics of this shit?
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:04 PM
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70. As a matter of fact, I do...
Recall the "Are you a left-wing fundy" thread (you should, it was yesterday)? Here are three of your subject lines:

"No such fucking thing"

"It's couched in fucking religion"

"Lookie! Lookie! More flamebait!" (with "Jesus 'Fuck ass' Christ" in the body)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3242232




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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:09 PM
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71. I'm asking about the fucking policies.
Not a fucking critique of my posting style. Reading is fundamental.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:18 PM
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72. Yes, reading is fundamental
So if it was specifics you were seeking, you could have scrolled above, or did you miss my mentioning "Plan Columbia, the preservation of the Iraqi sanctions, his triangulation ventures with Mssrs. Gore and Morris, the Telecommunications Act, Welfare Reform, the expansion of the Drug War"?

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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:19 PM
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73. You wish him to die for that shit?
Why would you hate someone for a list that fucking weak?
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:42 PM
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76. "I wish him to die"?
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 03:43 PM by DerekG
I said I hated him--you presume too much. And your claim that my list is "weak" dishonors the 1.5 million Iraqis who died; it is not necessary that Bush Sr. and Clinton (who have become comrades-in-arms as of late) share their fate, but I would be ecstatic to see them brought before the Hague.

BTW, what would constitute a "strong" list for you? The deliberate starvation of a civilian population isn't enough? The defoliation of Columbia, and the poisoning of her people doesn't get you in a tizzy? You're not bothered by legislation that punishes impoverished single mothers and their children? You have no qualms with the vast increase in the numbers of people imprisoned for non-violent crimes throughout the 90's?

Indulge me.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:23 AM
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91. Hatred means you pray for his fucking death.
That's a little goddamn extreme, no.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:15 PM
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90. hatred?
How fucking silly is that?

Hatred?

:crazy:
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:44 PM
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37. I couldn't care less about Bill's DNA and Monica's blue dress from the Gap
But what I dislike about the Clintons - BOTH of them - is how easily they will cast aside the groups that supported them in the interest of expediency.

What's scary now is all the talk about Hillary leading in the polls for the presidential nomination. I know it's still early, but if she's the candidate I will be voting for a third party.

Being a Democrat used to be about having passion for making the world a better place. Under Clinton it was all about cutting deals and watching to see which way the wind blew.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:55 PM
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43. What great things did Pres. accomplish?
Seriously.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:49 AM
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56. accomplishments
Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History.

Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus.

Paying Off the National Debt

More Than 22 Million New Jobs

Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Over Three Decades.

Household Income Breaks $40,000 for First Time in History.

Unemployment was the Lowest in Over Three Decades

Highest Homeownership Rate in History

Lowest Poverty Rate Since 1979

Largest One-Year Drop in Child Poverty in More than Three Decades

Improved Access to Affordable, Quality Child Care and Early Childhood Programs

Increased the Minimum Wage

Supported Community Service. In just five years, AmeriCorps has allowed 150,000 young people to serve in their communities while earning money for college or skills training

President Clinton proposed and enacted the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits, which in 1999 were claimed by an estimated 10 million American families struggling to pay for college

Expanded Work Study and Pell Grants

The Clinton-Gore Administration cut student fees and interest rates on all loans, expanded repayment options including income contingent repayment, and improved service through the Direct Loan Program. Students have saved $8.7 billion since 1993 through the reduction in loan fees and interest rates.

More High-Quality Teachers with Smaller Class Sizes. The Clinton-Gore Administration won a second installment of $1.3 billion for the President’s plan to hire an additional 100,000 well-prepared teachers to reduce class size in the early grades, when children learn to read and master the basic skills

Expanded Access to Technology. With the Vice President's leadership, the Clinton-Gore Administration made increasing access to technology a top priority. The President and Vice President created the Technology Literacy Challenge Fund to help connect every school to the Internet, increase the number of multimedia computers in the classroom and provide technology training for teachers.

Provided Early Education to Nearly 900,000 Children with Head Start. The President and Vice President expanded Head Start funding by 90 percent

Lowest Crime Rates in a Generation

Putting 100,000 More Police on the Streets. In 1999, ahead of schedule and under budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration met its commitment to fund an additional 100,000 police officers for our communities. As a part of the COPS Program, the President announced a distressed neighborhood grant program to increase community policing in high-crime and underserved neighborhoods.

More Than Half a Million Felons, Fugitives and Domestic Abusers Denied Guns. Since taking effect in 1994, the Brady Law has helped to prevent a total of more than 536,000 felons, fugitives, domestic abusers, and other prohibited purchasers from buying guns. In November 1998, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) took effect under the Brady Law, allowing access to a fuller set of records that law enforcement officials can use to conduct checks of all prospective gun purchases -- not just for handguns. As of March 2000, NICS has conducted over 10 million background checks on gun purchasers, and stopped an estimated 179,000 illegal gun sales.

Fighting Hate Crimes. The President enacted the Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act in 1994. He held the historic White House Conference on Hate Crimes, where he called for passage of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act -- bipartisan legislation which would strengthen hate crimes laws and make it clear that America will not tolerate acts of violence based on race, color, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation or disability.

Teen Births Down to the Lowest Rate on Record. The teen birth rate has fallen eight years in a row, dropping 20 percent from 1991 to 1999 to the lowest rate in the 60 years data on teen births have been recorded. The teen pregnancy rate is also at the lowest rate on record. To build on this progress, the President's budget includes funding for "second chance homes" for teen parents.

Expanded Investment in Urban and Rural Areas. The Clinton-Gore Administration created 31 Empowerment Zones and more than 100 Enterprise Communities, including 50 rural ECs, which have created new jobs, new opportunities and stronger communities.

Encouraged Investment in Underserved Communities with the New Markets Initiative. President Clinton’s New Markets Initiative will help bring economic development and renewal to communities that have not benefited from the soaring economy by spurring more than $22 billion in new investment in urban and rural areas.

Enacted Single Largest Investment in Health Care for Children since 1965. The five year, $24 billion State Children’s Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) will provide health care coverage for up to five million children. Two million children have already been enrolled, and in October 1999 President Clinton announced new outreach initiatives to enroll millions more uninsured, eligible children.

Raised Child Immunization Rates to All Time High. Childhood immunization coverage rates in 1998 were the highest ever recorded. 90 percent of toddlers in 1996, 1997 and 1998 received the most critical doses of each of the routinely recommended vaccines, surpassing the President’s 1993 goal.

Preserving Our National Treasures. The Clinton-Gore Administration has protected tens of millions of acres, from the red rock canyons of Utah to the Florida Everglades. The Administration reached agreements to protect Yellowstone from mining and save the ancient redwoods of California’s Headwaters Forest. In the FY 2000 budget, the President and Vice President won $651 million (a 42 percent increase) for Lands Legacy, a historic initiative to strengthen federal efforts to preserve national treasures and provides communities with new resources to protect local green spaces. This year, the President's budget includes a record $1.4 billion for Lands Legacy -- a 93 percent increase and the largest one-year investment ever requested for conserving America’s lands.

Created Nine New National Monuments. The Clinton-Gore Administration has created nine new national monuments: Grand Staircase-Escalante, protecting spectacular red rock canyonlands in Utah; Grand Canyon-Parashant, protecting deep canyons, mountains and buttes on the north rim of the Grand Canyon; Agua Fria, protecting extensive prehistoric ruins in Arizona; the California Coastal monument, protecting thousands of islands, rocks and reefs along the California coast; Giant Sequoia National Monument in California's Sierra Nevada, protecting 34 groves of ancient sequoias, the largest trees on earth; Canyons of the Ancients National Monument protecting America’s highest density of archeological sites in southwest Colorado; Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument protecting unmatched biological diversity in the Cascade Range in southern Oregon; Hanford Reach National Monument protecting critical habitat for salmon spawning along one of the last free-flowing stretches of the Columbia River in south central Washington; Ironwood Forest National Monument protecting rich stands of ironwood trees – known to live more than 800 years -- in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona. The Administration also expanded Pinnacles National Monument in California to better protect the area's unusual rock formations, and designated Anderson Cottage, which served as Abraham Lincoln’s summer home while he was president, a national monument.

Preserving Our National Forests. The President directed the National Forest Service to develop and propose regulations to provide long-term protection for 40 million acres of roadless areas within national forests and ensure that future generations will be able to enjoy the pristine wilderness. The proposed regulations would ban road building in these areas and could also prohibit logging or other activities that harm their unique ecological value.

Accelerating Toxic Cleanups and Brownfields Redevelopment. The Clinton-Gore Administration has completed clean up at more than 530 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as completed in the previous twelve years. Clean up of more than 91 percent of all sites is either completed or in progress. The Administration's brownfields redevelopment initiative has leveraged over $2.3 billion in private sector investment and generated 6,400 jobs.

Keeping Our Drinking Water Safe. The President proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act to ensure that our families have healthy, clean tap water. The Clinton-Gore Administration has required America’s 55,000 water utilities to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water. The Administration significantly tightened the arsenic standard, providing additional protection to at least 22.5 million Americans from cancer and other health problems. The Administration has adopted or proposed new standards to provide the first-ever protection against waterborne illness like Cryptosporidium, potentially preventing more than half a million illnesses each year. The Administration also proposed new rule to reduce dirty runoff and strengthen protections for 20,000 rivers, lakes and other waterways too polluted for swimming and fishing. Ninety-one percent of America’s tap water from community drinking water systems now meets all federal standards.

Clearing the Air of Unhealthy Pollution. The President and Vice President have adopted the toughest standards ever on soot and smog. They proposed significant reductions in tailpipe emissions from cars, light trucks and SUVs, and launched long-term effort to restore pristine skies over our national parks and wilderness areas. Since 1993, the number of Americans living in communities that meet federal air quality standards has grown by 43 million.

Reducing the Threat of Global Warming. The Clinton-Gore Administration negotiated an international treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally strong and economically sound way. The President and Vice President secured $1.1 billion in FY 2000 for research and development of energy efficiency and clean energy technologies, and set a goal of tripling U.S. use of bio-energy and bio-products by 2010. The President issued several Executive Orders. The first order directs agencies to dramatically improve energy efficiency in federal buildings, saving taxpayers over $750 million a year when fully implemented. The second order improves fuel efficiency by requiring the Federal government to reduce fuel use in its vehicle fleets by 20 percent in five years. The third order offers federal workers incentives to use public transportation, cutting fuel use and the pollution that contributes to climate change.

Protecting Oceans and Coasts. The Clinton-Gore Administration has extended the moratorium on new oil leasing off most of the U.S. coast through 2012, and permanently barred new leasing in national marine sanctuaries. They directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations and launched a new era of ocean exploration where federal researchers will collaborate with marine research institutions and universities for ocean exploration. The President and Vice President secured a funding increase of over 100 percent to better support national marine sanctuaries, and have led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste.

Helped broker the Good Friday Peace Accord in Northern Ireland, ending decades of bloodshed and empowering the people of Northern Ireland to determine their future.

more:

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/additional.html


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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:47 PM
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38. Gore did win he had the popular vote. It's only because of Jeb and Florida
that he didn't win the electoral college, but it had the popular vote.
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:47 PM
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39. I blame Bill for NAFTA, and even he said it was bad in retrospect...
Other than that, he may not have been as progressive as I would have liked, but he was a damn good President even though he had a few hiccups in his eight years. And don't blame the people for not voting for Gore... Gore was milktoast, IMO. I voted for him just because it was better than Bush. I voted for Bill because I *liked* him a lot! Anyway...
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:06 PM
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48. Link?
"even he said it was bad in retrospect..."

Thanks ...

By the way, it's "milquetoast."
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:51 PM
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40. I have never concidered Clinton any kind of savior
I think he was a great president but nobodies a savior.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:53 PM
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42. I still wish he were president.
We had a mightly fine country back then - he left us in the best shape we've been in in a long time - and with the repukes controling everything but the WH.

Peace.
Hope.
Prosperity.

I still shed a tear when I remember how good it was just over 4 years ago - and I shudder at where we've come today.

And this is about a man who was far from "perfect".

At least NO ONE can say his heart isn't/wasn't in the right place.

Can't say that about ANY repuke and MANY self-proclaimed "democrats".
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:59 PM
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46. Savior? He was a decent President...he had an out of bounds blow job
Who gives a shit?

We have an IDIOT who has sparked war across the globe and you are whining about Clinton?

Give me an F'ing break --
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:15 PM
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:33 AM
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53. You contradict yourself
First you say:

"put the Democrats and country in the state it is in today because he couldn't keep his d*** in his pants.

Then:

"I don't care about the sex"


What do you call a person who refers to our two term Democratic president as a "bastard"? I would call that person a muckraker, no better than the cretins who delved into Bill Clinton's personal life in the first place. You post this crap on the eve of the former president's surgery. That is insensitive at best and disruptive at worse.

What standard do you hold for this president who refuses to dscuss his behavior before his 40th year and is not called on it?

How does Clinton's behavior compare to the lies Bush has told about the war in Iraq which has claimed over 1500 American lives?

This is bullshit.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:35 AM
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54. Flamer.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 08:05 AM
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57. His dick should have NEVER been a matter of public scrutiny.
I think the most ridiulous thing I heard during all that was "We're paying him to be President, NOT to go git mud for his turtle!" from a self-profressed "Libertarian" (it's all about your money and freedom to smoke dope, isn't it?)

And I said "Oh? The president takes a vow of celibacy for the 4 years of his term?"

"Yew know whuttamean!"

No I don't.

He was President, not Pope.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 08:08 AM
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58. So, one of the best presidens of the 20th Century isn't good enough????
Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick! Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope, as the saying goes...

:eyes:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 08:13 AM
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59. I don't hold Clinton as a saviour but respect his good qualities.
And I have no respect at all for the sex-obsessed fools who tried to bring him down.

If nobody will give them a hummer, they should just go buy a Hummer (TM) to compensate for their shortcomings.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 08:15 AM
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60. Bill Clinton did not crucify Christ! He did not eat the apple!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:02 AM
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61. A mediocre president who led the party to destruction.
I don't give a rip about his sex-life. If he'd had a bit of courage he'd have told the press that his sex life was his business.

Other than that national bit of hypocrisy, I hold the Clintons responsible for leading the party, and the nation, to the right in their eagerness to accomodate and pander to the worst values of America.

I voted for him twice and regret it to this day.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:25 AM
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64. And, The Alternative Was???
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 09:26 AM by ProfessorGAC
Don't be ridiculous. This whole rethug lite thing is a canard. Governance of a huge country of 300 million with a 10 trillion dollar economy is NOT ABOUT just pleasing the progressives. Life just doesn't work that way, and you know it.

If you can't see the difference between Repubs and Dems now, after 5 years of Li'l Georgie, you have my sympathies.
The Professor
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 02:29 PM
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69. What I see is a pack of parasitical politicians feeding at the same trough
That some don't steal, lie, and cheat, as much as others doesn't make them any less culpable.

The "differences" between the two parties are miniscule because they serve the same masters. The public mood at any given moment and the "contributions" they receive from the wealthy.

The best that can be said of any of them is that some are a little less corrupt than others.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:20 PM
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74. So, Your Alternative Was?
You avoided the question. The simple fact is that you have noticed the differences between the two parties.

You want to suggest that the differences between the parties is miniscule, yet you notice the difference. Hmmm. That's pretty convenient. The differences are too small to matter but not too small to see? Non-starter!

Also, if some are less corrupt than others, how can that difference be miniscule? Less corrupt would ALWAYS BE PREFERABLE to more corrupt, right?

All people can be corrupted in one way or the other, so are you suggesting that people in general are the problem? Nobody is worthy of election? In that case, are you regretting voting at all, or voting for WHOM you did?

You conveniently tossed out the famous, "i held my nose but i regret it" defense and yet you acknowledge there are measurable differences between the two sides. So, what is there to regret?

I called it canard before. Your responses merely reinforce i used the right word.
The Professor
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:51 PM
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87. Times change.
So does my thinking. I bought into the "lesser evil" charade too many times.

I regret wasting my vote on the obverse side of the same coin.

Can all people be corrupted? Well, now we delve into philosophical questions. Eve did bite that apple, and Adam followed suit. I suppose, since we are all human, we all can be.

The question now seems to be, how much corruption do we tolerate? Mussolini wasn't as bad as Hitler. Papa Doc Duvalier was worse than Pinochet. Trotsky was better than Stalin. Which one to vote for?

Perhaps neither? Clinton wasn't as bad as BushI. A little better than Dole. Gore was better than BushII. So was Kerry. So would be the average mafioso hit man. Does that mean I should vote for any of them?

Not any more.





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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:15 AM
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62. It wasn't his dick....
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 09:16 AM by depakid
It was the fact that he was a sell out-

Although you are right- he holds the lion's share of the blame for the party's move to the right- for it continuing losses- and for the fact that it will be the minority party for the foreseeable future-
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:23 AM
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63. Gore Would Have Won By A Wide Margin. . .
. . .if he hadn't run AWAY from Bill.

While i don't condone anyone cheating on his wife, this is a tempest in a teapot and it always was. At the HEIGHT of the "scandal" his approval rating was over 75%. 75%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem really has been grossly ineffective leadership in Congress that let the dimwitted likes of Gingrich, DeLay, Lott, and Frist push around the Dems. Too much playing nice. The last thing Clinton ever did with Repubs was play nice. They feared him and that's why they tried to backdoor their attacks with a "special prosecutor". They knew if they went head to head, in public, they'd get annihilated in the court of public opinion.

Congressional Dems have let us all down, dramatically, in the last 10 years, and i think it shortsighted, and non-defensible, to blame Clinton for that.
The Professor
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:00 PM
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82. "Gore Would Have Won By A Wide Margin... if he hadn't run AWAY from Bill"
'Zactly.

So many statements suspect in that OP.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:36 AM
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65. Clinton a Savior?
Naaaaaahhhh!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:50 PM
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78. cute
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:58 PM
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67. Why all the anti-Clinton posts in the last 24 hrs....
the man made an appearance with Poppy about tsunami aid. Is there something evil about that???
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 02:19 PM
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68. Another one with too much time on their hands.
Flamebait indeed.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:35 PM
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75. Yeah, screw the only Democrat to win the White House in 30 years!
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:49 PM
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77. Bush must really be dropping in the polls
if it's time to wave Bill's down-around-his-ankles pants again.
Always good as diversion.
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:53 PM
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79. How can anyone
who calls themselves progressive (or even liberal) ever forgive Clinton for "ending wellfare as we know it". Bastard.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:54 PM
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80. I love Bill and always will. "oh what a friend we have in Clinton"
he IS my savior
hallelujah, HALLELUJAH! Thank you Jesus.
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Clintons!
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:54 PM
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81. This Isn't Voted For Greatest Page? Gawd Damn DU Is Awake!
What the fuck is this thread about? I am researching Nicola Galipari and his Mob connections today and they are many. Bill Clinton is not news today. Bleech.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:09 PM
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83. Mob Connections Huh?
So all of us have to be mob connected huh? And, that has what to do with what?
The Professor
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:27 PM
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85. Sorry If I Was Not Clear
But the death of Calipari has deep mob connections and I would rather spend time investigating that and not on Bill. I live in Sicily and Calipari is rather well known here. His death is quite interesting. Sorry if you did not get my drift.
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Mother Jones Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:18 PM
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84. I can understand your anger....
we're all angry about the Gore loss, but try to keep in mind, that the rest of us in this world (non-americans) adore him.

He is still wildly popular all over the world - and that is a huge credit to your country. (and the man himself)

Whenever I am pounded by a rethug telling me something is 'anti-american' I have to remind them how much the world loves Bill.
That is something you should be VERY proud of.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 04:47 PM
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86. *Sigh...* Flame-broiled burgers, anyone?
Please. Bashing Bill Clinton because of what the wingnut press did to him is going to do nothing except lose you friends on this board. Disagree with his policies--I don't care. Just don't try and tell me that his getting a blow job is the source of all our problems. I don't hold the man as a savior--personally, I believe there were better Democratic presidents, but I do believe the best time in the last 30 years was when he was President.
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