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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:35 PM
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On the morning of 9/11, how many of you wished Clinton was still Pres.?
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 08:53 PM by NNguyenMD
I can tell you that once I saw the chimp come up on TV that day telling us what happened, I knew we were screwed.
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:36 PM
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1. I wish
He was still President ---right now!
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:37 PM
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2. I have always believed that if Clinton had been
President we would not have had a 9/11.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:38 PM
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5. Or if Gore were, or basically anyone else. (MIHOP/LIHOP)
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:38 PM
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7. Nonsense, 9/11 Would Have Happened
Now if we had Clinton and a Democratic Congress, it probably wouldn't have happened.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:40 PM
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10. Absolutely! No doubt in my mind 9-11 could have been prevented...
...Dumbo, Condo-liar and those other whores were just too stupid to see the obvious.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:49 PM
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14. Yep
I was listening to either Bernie Ward or Guy James and someone called in about 9/11 and the democrats and the guy made the point if Gore was president he wouldn't have let it happen. He already knew everything about Usama BinLaden and wouldn't have ignored the threats and warnings etc. and he would've made more jobs in security so the economy would've gone up and more people would be having jobs now and we wouldn't be in this unneccessary occupation and so many of our fellow men/women wouldn't have died. Only what could've been. Welcome to the new Amerika.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:26 AM
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35. I find myself thinking that too.
Disregarding conspiracy theories for a second, if it was a criminal mastermind against us, then it was fiendishly, brilliantly simple. They found the security hole in our transportaion system to make the terrorism work. They could probably have done something like this at nearly any time. Is it awful to think that W's election could have been what triggered the go-ahead?

Can't think that, because there was an attempt *at the same site* during Clinton's years.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:37 PM
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3. Me
Here and now, I am forever and sincerely sorry for every criticism, lie, and slander of President Clinton that I believed or perpetuated. I wish to Providence that President Clinton was again in the Oval Office because, despite his failings, he cared about and worked for the American people.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:37 PM
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4. Me, Me, Me, where oh where is the Big Dog, we need him soooo
:kick:
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:38 PM
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6. Hell, I would have been happy if YOU were prez & I don't even know you.
At least we wouldn't be in Iraq...or would we...:shrug:
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:40 PM
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11. Ahhh helll!!
It's so true it's sad. I'd take any stranger here as Pres over the Chimperor any day, even the most virulent anti-gunners in the Gun Dungeon.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:19 PM
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26. were you even paying attention?
while bill was trying to get osama, the entire republican congress, in unison, screamed MONICA, MONICA?

everything that clinton did, the republicans undermined him at every turn. have you read the terrorism reports initiated by clinton and headed by gore? the ones that were given to the boyking, who promptly shelved them, and who then eliminated all investigations into the saudi royal family? of who 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi, and NONE were afghani or iraqi? who stopped the investigating of the business buddies of the bush family?

maybe you should direct your anger where it belongs.

because of clinton we had the good will of the entire world. he was the most respected world leader in generations. you don't think that would have had any affect on a possible 9-11 happening?

clinton did have his faults, and he certainly made his share of mistakes, but as another poster said, he was working for us, the people.

it was NOT going to happen anyway. it was the answer to bush's prayers.
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:32 PM
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27. He tried to do a few things but was blocked at every turn by the Repugs
who were to busy slinging s*it at him to see what he was trying to do. As for Iraq, there was no evidence that Iraq had any intention to do the U. S. harm and there still isn't for that matter. Iraq didn't fly those plants....Saudis did.

Mass killing and genocide isn't something that Clinton believes in just to prove a point. He had taken steps against terror but, again, no mention of it was made due to the Repugs keeping the media focused on the "scandal" and "White water". I am sorry you lost your son; many families were effected. We were asked for help and we attempted to give it on a human right basis. That isn't something for American to be ashamed of. Invading another country, to finish "daddy's war", and killing WAY to many people on both side based on a lie about WMD IS something the American people will suffer for for many years to come in mistrust from other countries.

Clinton was elected based on faith and confidence....Bush was elected based on fear and terror and these are no reason to vote for a prez. We are seeing the result of that vote now...and suffering from the stolen election.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:13 PM
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:18 PM
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31. WHAT?????
IRAQ????Caused 9/11????????

Watching much Faux?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:54 AM
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:16 AM
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41. Bullshit. Coordinating airport security could have thwarted the attacks.
Now maybe the terrorists would have found another way to attack us. I'm sure they would have. But they would NOT have been able to hijack four planes and drive them into buildings because Clinton and Gore would not have ignored the numerous hijack warnings that the bushies received and chose to do nothing about. I doubt that Clinton or Gore would have said, oh well, they will probably hijack planes so there's nothing we can do about it and let it happen. You forget. The warnings were very specific in that regard.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:15 PM
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54. yes, both Clinton and Gore could take a hint ...
I can't imagine either of those guys skipping off for a month-long vacation and disregarding all those security memos. (I can't recall either of them taking ONE holiday of that length, in 8 years ...)

They both got slammed for being detail-obsessed workaholics, but that's exactly the kind of person I'd want looking after my security -- NOT someone who was "fun to take to a party".
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:38 AM
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50. Nice right wing talking points there.
What about ALL the specific warnings bush got while he was vacationing on his pig farm?

Hmmmm? What, you just let him off the hook?

I don't think so. HE was in office. The buck is supposed to stop with the president.

Besides that Clinton's team TOLD the incoming bush team about all that and they did NOTHING with it. Try to think back and remember what the bushies were obsessed with at the time: oh yeah Star Wars II. Huh, yeah, REAL effective. Oh and he was personally obsessed with nap time and cartoon time.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:40 PM
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8. If Bill had been president, no attack would have been made.
busholini inc had to steal the election to be able to pull it off.

Who stood down NORAD?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:40 PM
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9. 9/11 wouldn't have happened on Clinton's/Gore's watch...
...for one simple reason: the Hart-Rudman report would've actually been READ and acted upon, instead of ignored.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 10:05 AM
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53. Clinton & Gore both knew about terrorism & tried to stop it.
Your little president was warned but didn't give a shit. And his performance that morning was abysmal, showing him to be a fool & a coward.

You complain about us not thinking "outside the box" yet you spew stream-of-consciousness Right Wing Talking points. (Hint: Leave two spaces after each period; use the occasional paragraph break.)

Surely, a veteran of both Korea & Vietnam should be able to cite real world examples.





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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:46 PM
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12. Clinton was making progress toward avoiding something like 9/11
when the Moral Majority Repugs started their distraction plan. He managed to get some things done but the did a good job at keeping it from the public. Ken Starr was in Arkansas promoting whatever that corporation does that he works for now and I had the chance to tell him what I thought of him. It was quite a relief to get it off my chest.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:47 PM
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13. If Clinton was our president then
it wouldn't have happened probably. I also wish he was ours now. *Sigh*
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:51 PM
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15. Is this a trick question?
I mean, who wouldn't? I'll never forget the video I saw that day (or maybe the next day, it all blurs) of Bill walking the streets of Manhattan and a woman came up to him and said, her voice breaking, "I wish you were still President!" and then collapsed into his arms crying. His compassion for her was very evident and real. And that made me hate Bush more than ever because I knew how he would have handled a similar situation...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:19 AM
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42. Same here. Clinton wasted no time getting to the people. Bush took
three whole days. And people consider that heroic??? :wtf:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:51 PM
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16. Me!
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:52 PM
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17. Me for one.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:56 PM
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18. Condiliar would not be involved in the safety of our nation.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:57 PM
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19. I don't believe 9/11 would have happened
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 08:58 PM by KoKo01
with either Clinton or Gore. Or Reagan or Bush I for that matter.

When I saw the second plane hit on CNN...I knew. We are screwed for sure. He did it.. It was too weird, and his actions that day were even stranger.. No other President would have acted like a coward. He was guilty as hell and probably was co-opted into it, but somehow thought it wouldn't happen in the end. He turned over our government to the NeoCons and those who had allied themselves with them and he was the one who allowed it. He gave our country away because of his own ignorance, stubborness and because he was a coward. That's what I think...
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:59 PM
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20. Is there a rule which says Clinton could not run as VP?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:07 PM
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23. Yes, there is. Or maybe not.
This came up quite a bit during the run-up to the 2004 election.

The question is a matter of some debate, and not all agree entirely, but the common wisdom is that because of the 12th Amendment, which says that
"...no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of president shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." that Bill Clinton could not therefore be Vice President.

Others question whether the 22nd Amendment, which limits the President to two terms, is an 'eligibility' requirement.

Unless a former President were to run for Vice-President, it would never be tested, and if it did happen, the Supreme Court would have to make a ruling on the impact of the 22nd on the 12th.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:06 PM
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22. Actually, I take my answer back.
Although I would have preferred Gore or Clinton as president when 9/11 happened, it is better than shrubby was in office. The repukes in congress and the senate (with the help of the msm) would have impeached either one for 9/11 and thrown both of them out of office.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:11 PM
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24. Clinton OR Gore would've READ the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 09:13 PM by blm
that was handed to them on Jan30, 2001, and they would have immediately ACTED on its URGENT National Security proposals.

9-11 probably would never have happened.

DUMBASS BUSH REFUSED TO READ THE REPORT HANDED TO HIM THAT DAY.

SO DID DUMBASS CHENEY AND DUMBASS RICE.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:12 AM
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40. Clinton and Gore would have read the 52 warnings and would have..
seen to it that the FAA coordinated stricter security.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:30 AM
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47. and they would have TOLD the American people about the threats so they
could have an awareness about them as they went about their everyday lives, with all their options, just as they did during the Millenium threats.

BushInc MANIPULATES the citizens and hides most real information, they don't engage them.
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:13 PM
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25. Count Me In
I was in my car on the way to work and was listening to an ABC news reporter talking to an eyewitness after the first plane hit. All of a sudden they were both yelling "There's another plane. It's hit the other tower." Like everyone else, I knew this was no accident and I screamed out in the car, "And that f*#king moron is President!" I was scared then and I am scared now.

I agree, if Gore or Clinton had been in office at the time, this would have never happened.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:38 PM
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28. Everyone on the Planet!
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 09:38 PM by applegrove
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:45 PM
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29. I thought: What are these people (terrorists) thinking, America is Huge?
They can't really hurt us by attacking an office building.

Was I wrong! In the end, Bush led post 9/11 panic leading us to infinite war, quagmire, and economic disaster w/o catching OBL.

Can we conclude that bush's post 9/11 failures prove that his inaction prior to 9/11 was also a disaster?
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:16 PM
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32. First I wished that Gore were president, then I wished that Clinton was.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:27 AM
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36. Do you have to ask???
Edited on Wed Mar-09-05 01:29 AM by ailsagirl
In all seriousness, I don't think it would have happened had Clinton still been president.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:09 AM
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38. I absolutely wished that Clinton or Gore were president.
:cry:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:12 AM
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39. Me.
That was my second thought, after 'Oh my God!'.
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:26 AM
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43. ENTSETZEN Go ask bush why he ignored Richard Clarke
Richard Clarke was in the Reagan, Bush1 and Clinton administrations. He was well respected by all. They relied on him & sought his counsel. It took only one dunce by the name of gw bush to totally ignore Richard Clarke, and deliberately take him out of the "loop". Why? Not to mention 52 FAA warnings some mentioning "spectacular suicide by plane",& A January 2001 memo given to bush 5 days after he assumed office warning him about bin laden & Al Quida, & an August 2001 PDB "Bin Laden determined to attack in the U.S." And mind you, Bush never followed up on the USS Cole, even after evidence was presented to him, that bin laden was responsible. Instead of going to battlestations when chatter was at its highest in 2001..bush went on a month long vacation.

When Clinton went after bin laden or saddam all we heard was "wag the dog" from republicans. After the WTC attack in 1993, within a year all suspects were caught and now sit in federal prison in NYC. Plans to bomb bridges, tunnels & landmarks uncovered and thwarted. Kobart towers suspects caught & executed. Millenium Plot uncovered.

And as far as I'm concerned Clinton kept saddam contained. He wasn't invading anyone and now we find out he wasn't able to reconstitute his WMDS. Clinton kept an eye on him and it worked.

After 2 wars, does bush have bin laden? No. There isn't a doubt in my mind that if it was Clinton or Gore in office, 9/11 never would have happened. It was Clinton who appointed Clarke Anti Terrorism Czar. And it was that jerk off bush who chose to ignore Clarke. Nuff said.
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:35 AM
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44. And one more thing...When Clinton showed up in NY before bush
I wish you could have seen the emotional outpouring for him by people on the street, it's something I will never forget & will always be grateful to him for. He showed so much compassion & concern for people who opened their hearts to him, talking about their loved ones that were missing, and him listening and hugging them. And his subsequent visits to the Armory to give out supplies. Unlike "Mr. Lucky Me, I Hit the Trifecta" bush.

Damn skippy I wish Clinton had still been president on 9/11, because I know he never would have let it happen.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:12 AM
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46. 100 % in agreement. n/t
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:40 AM
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45. I remember my mum saying to me
about two weeks later once the dust had started to settle

"this wouldnt have happened if Al Gore was the president"

I wasnt really into US politics at that point so I didnt think much of it at the time.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:36 AM
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48. ME.
I knew bush was a doofus long before he became a squatter in the White House, but it never TRULY bothered me until that day.

Then, like you, I knew we were well and truly screwed. When you have such a huge national emergency and its aftermath, you don't want a craven idiot at the helm.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:36 AM
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49. I was too worried as to where my ex-husband was to be concerned
about Bush. He was out of his office for a meeting and had no idea where in the city he was. Thank goodness the meeting was by Grand Central Station, very far from the scene of the crime.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:42 AM
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51. Clinton or Gore
the bushturd's "performance" that day was the most pathetic, frightening thing I ever saw.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 09:55 AM
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52. I remember the first thing I said, "and we have such a weak
president..." What a disaster it has been since then.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:17 PM
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55. Sanctions on Iraq? Bombing al-Shifa in Sudan?
Certainly not I.
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 03:58 PM
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56. There were plenty of Islamic
terrorist attacks during Clinton's presidency. Even the FIRST attack on the WTC, if it had gone according to plan, would have killed several hundred people. Clinton himself states that he repeatedly tried to kill Osama. The idea that if Clinton had been pres., 9/11 would not have happened really makes no sense.
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Generic Guy Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:26 PM
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57. I do
I remember waking up that morning and seeing on the news what had happened. My first thoughts were "That moron, bush is somehow responsible for this". I can almost guarantee had President Clinton or President Gore been in charge I would have woken up that day and it would have been just another day. I am not sure if bush was behind it or not I have seen a lot of evidence that he was but, at the very least that moron could of stopped it and didn't.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 06:28 PM
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58. I did.
I still do.
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