How would you answer this quote?

[whitedove]

" The "Left" doesn't care about this country, it's a philosophy at the expense of reason."

It is from another board I belong to, and I am just dumbfounded!
Is this what the "RW's" really believe?
If it is we are really in trouble...

How would you answer this dumb-ass?

TIA!

Peace,
Whitedove

[Sporadicus]

1. Explain That THEIR Philosophy Rests Solely on Ensuring Cheap Labor

May this serve you well.

http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/index.html

[trotsky]

2. With one of my favorites...

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness". - James K. Galbraith

[politicaholic]

8. That's great! All I came up with was...

The republicans are always harkening back to the good old days in the 50's, 40's, and 30's when democrats ruled. I guess they have a shallow sense of reason.

[DawgHouse]

16. I like that!

Thanks for sharing - I've never heard that one before. It will come in handy!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Well it was the left that fought for the right to bargain collectively so

that there would BE a middle class, the left that gave you an eight hour workday, a 40 hour work week, disability insurance if you came ill, unemployment insurance if you suddenly lost your job, social security, and laws protecting the air you breathe and the water you drink. Those seem to me to be the acts of someone who cares.

[maggiecleveland]

7. No one works a 40 hour work week...

excepts those falling further and further behind....

[Warpy]

Insanity

is best defined as doing the same thing that has continually failed over and over again but expecting a different outcome.

Supply side/trickle down economics comes to mind.

[cestpaspossible]

4. Why would you waste your time answeriing RW insults?

If there is a discussion of issues, get involved, but don't waste your time answering insults.

It is a mistake to try to counter insulting and false rhetoric with reasoned arguments.

[datasuspect]

5. i would say the person who said it

is a fucking idiot

[BrotherBuzz]

6. and never the twain shall meet....

Republicam mantra: Socialize the costs and privatize the profits. :shrug:

[Fovea]

9. The left cannot care about this country

neither can the right. Only humans can care about this country, or any other.

So the statement is actually, people on the left do not care about this country. Which, of course, is entirely incorrect.

Consider FDR, and contrast his love of the common American to that of **, the billionaire's best friend.

And while we are on the subject of philosophies that exist only in the realm of faith based initiatives, let's talk about free market capitalism at the beginning of the 21st C.

[northzax]

10. I would point out that it is a non-sequitor

There is not neccesarily a connection between caring about this country and reason. the feeling of 'caring about a country' is a relatively modern phenomenon. Before the Treaty of Westphalia (1648), the state as we undertand it really didn't exist. Patriotism is not a reasonable concept. It simply isn't, it is raising the best interests of the ruling class of an accidental collective of people about the interests of anything else, including the actual people in that collective. that's it.

It is in the best interests of the great majority of people in this country to have equal access to healthcare at affordable (for them) rates. It is not in the interests of the ruling class for this to happen. Thus patriotism tells us that it can't happen.

It is not in the interests of the great majority of the people in this country to be in a war anywhere at this time. It was not in the interests of the majority of people to invade Afghanistan and Iraq at deficit finance rates, but patriotism tells us it is.

Reason tells you that the American Flag is a sewn together collection of fabric that represents a series of ideas. Patriotism tells you it is the most valuable symbol possible, overriding even the ideas it represents.

Reason tells you that the actual paper copies of the Declaration of Independance are simply representations of the IDEAS contained therein. Patriotism tells us that the actual documents are cornerstone of our society and must be protected at any cost.

should I continue?

[jedr]

11. it's my country;

and I have the right to question it!

[jdj]

12. As Twain said:

Loyalty to my country? Always.
Loyalty to my government? Only when it deserves it.

edit: I also would thank them for the perfect description of religion, particularly the fundie kind..."a philosphy at the expense of reason."

[Hamlette]

13. it's drivel

tell them to actually say something and you'll discuss it. Oh yeah, and tell them the rules are they can't criticize people, only ideas.

That, of course, would require them to understand and talk about ideas/positions/policy.

Which they can't.

So they say we hate america and have no reason. :eyes:

I love it when religious people say we lack reason. Remember, faith begins where reason ends.

[whitedove]

15. Thank you,

everyone for the replies!

Peace,
Whitedove



(It is getting scarey out there, I worry for my children and grandchildren!)

[whistle]

14. Who gives a rat's ass what right wingers think about the left...

...the right wing philosophy is based on greed, self-interest and domination by the powerful at the expense of the powerless in society.

[newyawker99]

17. Hi whitedove!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[kiki]

18. Can't remember the exact quote, but...

...when referring to his "Christianity", didn't Shrub basically say that he rules by his philosophy, and not reason?

[lastknowngood]

19. Just say Chaney you and be done with it

n/t

[applegrove]

20. Their philosophy is based on fooling the masses into voting for elite

needs. Neocons openly admit to hating the Enlightenment. Then give them a link to explain it all.

[yankeedem]

21. I'd ask him if he's taken his meds today

and exit slowly.......

[housewolf]

22. I'd ask hin/her to please explain in detail what that means

and cite evidence for the charge.

'Course it would help if you can cite back some of the history of liberalism (going back to the enlightenement) and successes.