Gannongate Wrinkles 14

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[EFerrari]

1. Wow! You mods are really quick! Thank you.

I was about to post this on the last thread in response to Andy's statement about JDG's position and how much power he has in it. Andy said he thought JDG could not be controlled by the Cabal.

And I agree, he has a lot of power. But wonder, is he an army of one or does he have a crew of friends right now? Friends in some agency? The site doesn't look like it, but that's just one sliver.

Speaking of the site: I notice he posts several articles a day, with a sentence or two. Usually in the morning or early afternoon. What's up the rest of the time?

And, anyone noticed that while he (or, someone/s) writes mostly RW spin to the stories, it's not all that hard core, is uneven in it's ideology?

I'm still looking at it to see if there is some telegraphing going on. He harps on his victimization, check. On the lack of conservatives in the press corps, check. The first seems ambiguous, the second is sort of rote. And, he's announced that he's going to write a book. Wonder how many advance copies are being ordered and by whom?

There's some good packaging going on. He's trademarking "the question" which is ironic considering all we've found. Divorced from reality? He's promoting "Gannongate" which is a good idea if he's to remain viable as a minor celeb and also maybe, viable at all :(

So, the website serves a bunch of purposes? Keeps him almost competitive, moves his conservative "journalistic" product. Keeps him in the public eye. Maybe be a way for him to telegraph information to interested parties.

It sort of looks to me like he's been abandoned by Eberle. GOPUSA has some professional writers writing columns. Republican columns, but the writing is technically solid. And that site is professionally designed and maintained where the new Gannon site is not.

Anyone see the old site? Talon was a semi-pro site, but you were two clicks away from gambling and naked women.

Anyone feel up to emailing him and asking him when his book is coming out and where?

[intheflow]

7. Excellent analysis, sfexpat.

I hadn't connected Eberle's being MIA to abandonment of Gannon, but that is exactly what happened. Do we know what Eberle's doing now, other than allegedly updating his web site?

So, is Gannon an army of one, or still working with someone(s)? That's the $10,000 question. More and more I'm thinking army of one.

[EFerrari]

9. That is the question. After a break, I want to go look

at that nexus of sites and see if they are reffering to JDG's in some way.

[fooj]

33. Most people questioned re: Gannon/Guckert vehemently deny

knowing him. It's like he has the plague. If he's working with anyone (IMHO) he's working in conjunction with the power players. Just a feeling...

[troubleinwinter]

15. Been thinking about Gannon's blog....

I you were a conservative person looking for the latest interesting articles... would you go to Gannon's site? Nope, there must be far better ones for the day's news and writings.

His site is mainly about HIMSELF. I doubt that conservatives find him particularly fascinating. Just a small-time news reporter that the 'lefties' got their panties in a wad over.

Since the MSM is barely covering it, I doubt anyone but the bloggers and DUers are even looking at his site... so who IS he talking to? If he's talking to the conservatives, I don't think they are listening.

[EFerrari]

60. That's right. Who IS he talking to?

[libertypirate]

121. You mean the question is : Who does he know is looking at it?

You could bet the people who he has blackmailed and the people who he is threatening revealing the truth too. That would be my best guess...

[understandinglife]

144. Yes, you can bet every person whom he has any dirt...

....are clicking that site, repeatedly.

And, it doesn't matter if it's a 'low budget' appearing site -- what may be of greater interest, in addition to taunting folk with what might suddenly appear, is the sophistication of the logging and tracking of IP addresses that may be ongoing by whomever is running the site.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

246. Yes, and people who are looking to shut him up as well n/t

[fooj]

31. I did notice that his ideology isn't consistent.

Wishy-washy, back and forth...

[EFerrari]

61. He goes off message as if distracted, imo.

Not what you'd expect from conservtiveguy, the Voice of the New Media. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

167. LOL

Oh that's rich sfexpat. Do any of the freepers go there? Maybe some of his freeper buddies visit his site. I haven't heard people talking about him really. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

250. Really? I have. Google him. That's "rich". n/t

[intheflow]

2. *** SYNOPSIS BACKGROUND & PREVIOUS WRINKLE LINKS ***

Short synopses of much of the previous threads, links to previous threads, photos, and links to outside articles and web sites related to these threads are on Demopedia.

Gannongate Wrinkles: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles

[FogerRox]

3. theearthisround : have you heard of a Dr. Martin Arne?

Or is Orne? I think thats the name. I'm trying to remember---something about implant surgery---using transistors---hmmm 1960's.

[Project_Willow]

6. It's Orne

You may wish to look up Louis Jolyon West as well.
Another gov. contractor, like Orne he was involved with the False Memmory Syndrome Foundation.

[Donailin]

4. It seems like the story has "pla-towed"

there's not much more I care to read on MKUltra, Cathy OBrien, or . . chemtrails. I've had enough CT to last me a year. I think until Noreen Gosch makes some pronouncement, IF she ever makes one, this wrinkle will spin in circles.

So what is her deal? If she were to make one, who would she make it to?

Would it even be public? Since, as some here have speculated, she would want to protect her son, why should anyone think she'll EVER go public? I mean this is a woman who according to last years interview is still being followed and threatened.

A couple of questions? Has anyone here tried to contact Gunderson? Or DeCamp? Where is Bonacci at this time? Is he still alive? And where is Lawrence King now? In jail? Out?

Jes wonderin. . .

oh Yeah, in case this hasn't been posted, this was in my email today. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0307051thompson2.html

[intheflow]

5. Never mind/self-delete

Wrote about your link, realized I hadn't read the whole thing. D'oh!

[Andy_Stephenson]

8. Coupla answers.

Has anyone here tried to contact Gunderson?

Yes he is working with Decamp who

Or DeCamp?

Is in the hospital pending back surgery

Bonacci...Last I head he was in Omaha...but that could have changed.

Lawrence King...The "kingpin" so to speak. From what I hear he has a new business on Embassy Row...right near DuPont Circle. Just down the street from the Capitol City Escort Service.

[Donailin]

11. Thanks Andy.

King is near Dupont. Is that what started the original thread? Looking for King in DC? I live a few miles outside DC. That hideous bastard lives near me. Bad enough that Bush is close. shit.

[Andy_Stephenson]

14. From my source...

King has set himself up in business again. I can only imagine what kind of business. But that is what I am told.

[libertypirate]

16. Hey all find out where he lives...

We can let his neighbors know about his history...

[Name removed]

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[Catherine Vincent]

51. I don't think you can post phone numbers here.

[aquart]

110. The photo of Gosch Sr., how old was he?

Does anyone know? Was he older or younger than 47? It might give a clue to Gannon/Guckert's age if we know how his "father's" appearance aged.

[New Earth]

10. hi guys

just saying hi. i don't get to stay on these threads like i used to - just got thru #13.

well, just saying hi and that i'm here :hi:

[EFerrari]

13. Hi there, Faye. WB.

[EFerrari]

12. a couple of things (a salad)

1. I'd love to see some pix of Gabe Caggiano if anyone has them. It may just be a similar personality, but the vibe and the place and the knowledge that JDG assumes aliases make it interesting to me anyway.

2. Value of brainstorming. Sometimes it does seem like we're losing focus by striking out into unrelated directions. But, you know, brainstorming in an uncensored way is a great tool. Someone mentions Lee Harvey Oswald and half of us think, "Oh, just stop!" (I hit that place when I see the world "Illuminati".)

But the other half start thinking about how intelligence assets are run and it's the connection that is valuable, that moves our understanding forward. And it requires a wee bit o patience when you don't see the pay off right off the bat.

Brainstorming produces an array of ideas. It's like a buffet. You're not married to everything on the table.

3. I wanted to mark that yesterday there was a flurry of pm'ing because I felt uncertain about posting the stuff publicly -- and certainly not because of anyone who is clearly here. Sorry if it made people uncomfortable. The goal is always to get it to the thread, to the group. I talked to Andy about it and to others and have a better sense of what should go where.

But, I bring this up because in dealing with these issues, there may be times when folks want to talk or share and yet are not sure if posting the info to the thread should be the first move. So, can I ask for this: let's give people the room, the permission to speak privately first if they are very concerned -- with the understanding that we are ALL working on this and that our best success will come about because of the fusion the group generates.

Hope that makes some kind of sense. :)

4. Yesterday, it occurred to me that we may be witnesses to a BFEE family fight between intelligence and WH mavens. God knows there's a four year hostile history there. Just wanted to put it out there, clearly.

Okay, shut up me already.
B.

[St. Benedict]

18. Gabe Caggiano Info...

Yes, we need pics! Can't somebody get one from The Sentinel?....conveniently located right there in D.C.



Check this out:

http://www.readyformedia.com/anne.htm

It is a company called Ready For Media, that lists Caggiano employed as a "teacher."

"Gabe Caggiano has most recently been an on-air reporter for Fox 11 News in Los Angeles. Prior to coming to California, Gabe was the political reporter for Fox News in Austin, Texas covering the State Capital and Texas Governor George W. Bush. Previously, Gabe covered two New Hampshire primaries and the Gulf War for NBC News with Tom Brokaw."

"READY FOR MEDIA is the West Coast’s oldest and most experienced communications firm. For more than 20 years, READY FOR MEDIA has coached thousands of corporate executives, celebrity spokespeople, authors, doctors, lawyers and many others to be concise, credible and compelling.

Let our experienced business, financial, technical and consumer journalists use video feedback and constructive critique to show spokespeople the game, teach them the rules and justify their time to practice in our studio, at the computer or on location, worldwide."

Surely, they must have a photo?

And, if you go to IMDB.com, you will find Gabe Caggiano appeared in two jobs in 1994: a movie called "Radioland Murders" written by George Lucas (hmmm....murder at Princess Leia's house...) and an episode of "Matlock." In order to work those jobs he had to be a SAG member and have a headshot, so there should be a photo of him somewhere.

I called The Screen Actors Guild today. It has him listed in their database as a member, but with no current agent listed nor current contact number.

[Catherine Vincent]

28. I posted pics of this Gabe in the thread before this one.

See post #142. I don't think that's Gannon though. The pictures are in black and white and aren't very clear. Let me know what you think.

[St. Benedict]

83. Gabe Caggiano pics...

Yes, those B&W photos from 1997 from the site referenced were not very clear. I want to see ONE CLEAR PHOTO of this man.

From Caggiano's column today:

"Gannon has hired a lawyer and is choosing his words carefully and is indicating he may take legal action against those he claimed slandered or libeled him. So far, he hasn't said yet whom he will sue.

"I'm not going away, Gabe, as I have much to contribute. I have been through the crucible and am still standing. I'm tough and I'll be back. Look for an announcement soon."


Does anyone else find it odd that after hiring a lawyer, Gannon/Gosch speaks not through his attorney, but speaks - repeatedly - to Caggiano? And of all the journalists in the world he could talk to - why choose Caggiano?

Does anyone live in the D.C. area and have a copy of The Sentinel? Is there a picture of Gabe Caggiano with his column in the paper?

[kk897]

128. Gabe's done some reporting for middle eastern news outlets, too

I think I posted about it several wrinkles back. He's definitely got a chequered career.

[notadmblnd]

74. It makes sense, but also keep in mind.. there's saftey in numbers

it seems to me that people always get suicided before the information they have gets out. Becareful guys.

[St. Benedict]

19. Ted Gunderson confirms Gannon IS Gosch...

http://www.rense.com/general63/100.htm


From Tim White
[e-mail]
3-7-5

Last evening, I received a call from Ted Gunderson who is presently in Nebraska to interview a central figure in the Franklin Coverup case that is at the root of this "Jeff Gannon" story.

A confidential source of Ted's has - in a conversation with Ted yesterday afternoon - given a 100% confirmation that Jeff Gannon/Jim Guckert is very definitely Johnny Gosch.

Ted has the full backing and authority of the mother of Johnny, Noreen Gosch, to handle this - as only Ted would know how - along with the complete assistance of John DeCamp.

Ted and John DeCamp are the investigators and exposers of the Franklin Coverup. Ted has given me the greenlight to write and post this much so far but for very obvious reasons, I cannot go into greater detail at this time. As I have been told, more information will soon be forthcoming with the authorization to post when I receive it.

Tim White
Viet Nam Vet (Air Force)
Concerned Citizen

[troubleinwinter]

23. This has been posted several times

in the last couple of days, but nothing further has come of it.

"A confidential source".

Who is Tim White? What does being a vet have to do with it?

I'd rather have more than this, especially since it comes from rense. It really does not prove a thing to me thus far.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. I agree. That is not enough proof.

Btw, I have been meaning to tell you that I really love your signature pic! Seeing that pic illustrates that the white man didn't create the word terrorist. Well maybe they did, only when it's against a different culture other than their own.

[human survival]

20. Drink The Kool Aid 2 : One Strange Trip, The Face Of Jeff Gannon

so Gannon Wrinkles has me thinking, the face....

and obviously, that is the focus of the Gannongate Wrinkles threads, the face of Jeff Gannon.

Who is he?

So, im on the internet, and much like my little avatar is my face to you right now, Jeff Gannon's internet face is http://www.jeffgannon.com

low and behold, travelling there the first thing i see is the face of a so called Mr Jeff Gannon. draped with the red white & blue, we get our first clue, Mr. Gannon is " A Voice of the New Media", the new(true) face of real Ameircan Conservative journalism.

"About Me

Bruised but not broken

I'm baaaaaaack!"

always a interesting way to lead off a conservative blog, references to the movie Poltergeist exhibit strong family values, and dont give any feeling of creepiness..... none at all.... really.......

now to his current column,

Fear and Loathing in the Press Room

http://www.jeffgannon.com/Column%20archive/fear_and_loathing_in_the_press_r.htm

"This is not to say that I have not made mistakes in the past. Like all of us have at one time or another, I made poor choices and exercised bad judgment. But I believe in a forgiving God who changed my life. It was through that renewal that I went on to have a career as a reporter and further blessed to become a White House correspondent."

now this somewhat distastefull Hunter Thompson reference headline is IMO odd.

Now, it is also interesting to note that so called Jeff Gannon wrote that he believes that it is through his forgiving God he was blessed to become a white house correspondant.

onto some of his news commentary:

March 5, 2005


"4:17pm

I watched a clip of Sen. Joe Biden on Bill Maher's HBO crapfest. I wonder why he didn't mention meeting me some years ago. C'mon Joe, think..."

very strange. speculate away. sounds like a threat.

"7:25am

Russell Cobb of the Daily Texan implies that I drove Hunter Thompson to suicide in http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2005/02/23/Opinion/From-Gonzo.Journalism.To.Bootlicking-873420.shtml>Gonzo Journalism to Bootlicking."

well, Jeff, not exactly. but mindless spin aside, its quite a odd situation that has developed, due to your "poor choices" and "bad judgment". suspiciously odd in my opinion.

March 4, 2005

"8:51am

Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur signs onto the "Divorced From Realityª" team in an article from the Toledo Blade in which she claims I misrepresented her remarks TWO YEARS AGO and then proceeds to take a big gulp of the conspiracy Kool-Aid."

please see my post "Drink the Kool Aid!!!":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3237166#3237264


okay, so now after reading that blog, i feel like helping this guy out, he seems pretty straightfoward, no? so lets go to that "Contribute" link...

Paypal, cool, have that, AOL member? got that too....

lets find out who this guy is....

http://hometown.aol.com/jdg17/

well the homepage comes up. and obviously Mr Gannon's interaction with his God has not prompted him to change his webspace at AOL, although he still uses that email for his paypal......

the "My Guys" link has been brought up in these wrinkles threads...

there is the obvious "My Guise" wordplay possibility here IMO.

but even if that is not the case, clicking on that link takes you to a big red skull, the website for his fraternity TKE
http://iws.wcupa.edu/stu/tke/

despite whatever your opinions regarding the situation, George W. Bush & John F Kerry are both members of the Skull & Bones society at Yale and both refuse to discuss their membership, activities, or potential conflict of interests during the 2004 presidential campaign.

i have no choice but to think of that when i come across a Red Skull for a fraternal order of a man being investigated in connection with the Bush administration.

and its of interest to point out that Porter Goss was in Book & Snake at Yale and that Porter Goss, Negroponte, and Bush' Uncle Bucky were all in the same class & order called Psi Upsilon at Yale.

The college fraternal order angle has potential on many levels, TKE's most famous brother seems to have been Ronald Reagan.....

now here is something i dont know if has been mentioned.....

rather than just going straight to JDG17's homepage, i enetered that screenname into a AOL hometown search...

this is what come up, in addition to jdg17's homepage:
http://hometown.aol.com/__121b_MK/74y+9l4oG6K39lUUJIINXywpILweF08eX8udH0+E=

"INEVITABLE"


?mtbrand=AOL_US


now, what the hell does that mean?


JDG17 is also short for Judges 17, a interesting chapter in the bible..


drink the kool aid..........


one
human?

[merh]

22. Judges 17

Judges 17 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Judges 17
Micah's Idols
1 Now a man named Micah from the hill country of Ephraim 2 said to his mother, "The eleven hundred shekels of silver that were taken from you and about which I heard you utter a curse-I have that silver with me; I took it."

Then his mother said, "The LORD bless you, my son!"

3 When he returned the eleven hundred shekels of silver to his mother, she said, "I solemnly consecrate my silver to the LORD for my son to make a carved image and a cast idol. I will give it back to you."

4 So he returned the silver to his mother, and she took two hundred shekels of silver and gave them to a silversmith, who made them into the image and the idol. And they were put in Micah's house.

5 Now this man Micah had a shrine, and he made an ephod and some idols and installed one of his sons as his priest. 6 In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.

7 A young Levite from Bethlehem in Judah, who had been living within the clan of Judah, 8 left that town in search of some other place to stay. On his way he came to Micah's house in the hill country of Ephraim.

9 Micah asked him, "Where are you from?"

"I'm a Levite from Bethlehem in Judah," he said, "and I'm looking for a place to stay."

10 Then Micah said to him, "Live with me and be my father and priest, and I'll give you ten shekels of silver a year, your clothes and your food." 11 So the Levite agreed to live with him, and the young man was to him like one of his sons. 12 Then Micah installed the Levite, and the young man became his priest and lived in his house. 13 And Micah said, "Now I know that the LORD will be good to me, since this Levite has become my priest."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/index.php?search=judges%2017&version=31
===========================================


Interesting....

[human survival]

24. please help identify....

this art work:

?mtbrand=AOL_US

is it well known? does anybody know who the artist is?

[St. Benedict]

29. it looks like a Tarot card... n/t

[intheflow]

39. I don't think it's a tarot card.

I've been reading tarot for 15 years, have seen many, many decks. A tarot card has a number and/or descriptive words. This image has neither. It also doesn't stand for any tarot card, that I can tell. (Not The Sun, The Magician, The Fool, The Wheel of Fortune, etc...)

[Ferry Fey]

46. I agree, it's not tarot n/t

[merh]

40. Go to the artist forum and post it - they may recognize it

personally it looks like the world in bondage and it is just creepy if it is one of his messages.




or is it the rapture?

[Must_B_Free]

82. looks to me like strings pulling the earth into darkness

[libertypirate]

116. Look at the context... Just an opinion

Try to rewrite Jeffs words to mean the same thing with....
different sentence structure but instill the same meaning. or try at least.

Let's do a little simplification...

Tells the world about his love for Helen Thomas, and points to a piece that is really truthful about Bush.

Treats fair Gannon fairly and not bias fair accurate fair.

He met Mr. Biden, wants the world to know it. Mr. Biden is like Jeff who?

He says he knows he affected the SD Daschle campaign.

Pointing out that the old media again focusing the story away from the story and about being gay. Using the cultural issue to sensationalize the nature of what is important.

He’s happy to talk about it, glad to talk about it, and wants to talk about it, even plans on talking a lot more about it. He really just wants to talk about it.

My synopsis is he is telling his story in the blog, the Whitehouse Moscow tape diversion was a don’t look at the blog for the story. In a Moscow bookstore nearest you!



When I was reading the posts at jeffgannon.com I started to rewrite the sentences in my head which helped me highlighted something.

He might be telling the story in the blog.

The stories and information he has been pointing to have been more accurate fair then to his biased fair.

He also has been making nice with people like Helen Thomas.

It at first make much sense until I started really tearing down what he was saying.

Then the Biden comment.

A comment about how the Old Media has focus the story on being gay.

He might be using the blog to tell everything.

Also the demeanor of his posts are not the same… I am not sure what this means, it may be on purpose it may not.




If you rewrite the sentences simplify them so they mean the same something comes clear Mr. Gannon may be the real deal and really trying to bring them down.



Is the Gannon Blog the real story and Moscow publishing just a diversion?
It's abstract to begin with.

How does the world inevitable describe the actions he is taking?

If we can agree something is going to happen.

The background if intended to be wounds or blood would indicate a constant pain or suffering, it's evenly distributed.

The ball has broken free or through that pain but the strings still are holding it back from becoming completely free. The ball is bigger then the hole it came from.

Although there seems like many threads holding the ball because of how it is wrapped it looks overwhelming. Really there is only four strings holding it, seems complex so we don't look at what's supporting it.

There is an structured rectangular symbol with an image that looks like a logo but I can't make it out. Maybe X and a letter under it.

I do see one common theme in it all the shadows combine hiding a small portion of the pain. And that the objects are connected to their shadows.

[skids]

137. Similar theme, same title:

"To cherish what remains of the earth, and to foster its renewal is our only legitimate hope of survival" -- Wendell Berry

Neither image has embedded comments (I did not try stenography)

To see it, go here:

http://www.winmodify.com/wallpapers_all_page1.htm

And text search for "inevitable"

Clicking on "DL" will get you the full sized image. On that you can read the above quote.

The data attached to this image in the database is:

Author
Wolf ZR2

Author's Website
N.A.

Date Added
01-05-2004

[Ferry Fey]

38. Skull and Bones

I wonder if anyone has done a list of college fraternities to which
US Presidents belonged?

What never really came out in the discussions of what was going on in Ohio that cost Kerry the presidency was that the governor of Ohio, Bob Taft, while not a Skull and Bonesman himself, not only had some 9 relatives who were Bonesmen but was descended from the founder of Skull and Bones.

[fooj]

41. "...it is through his forgiving God..." I missed that! Nice observation!

What is he forgiving God for? That's strange...
But then again- it's not strange at all if we are going down the right road with this...

[Project_Willow]

75. could it be...

One notorious programmer referred to himself as god.

[burn the bush]

84. I believe he is saying that his God is a forgiving God

[human survival]

86. through his "forgiving God"...

meaning, that the God of so-called Jeff Gannon is a forgiving God supposedly, my wondering is who exactly is that God and what does that God have to do with his job as a reporter in the white house...

so-called Gannon's callboy nickname "Bulldog" is interesting when looked at in a Marine perspective, the Bulldog being the mascot of the Marine Corps "Devil Dogs" order.

backwards that would be God Lived implying, in an occult sense, the death of God, Adonai, and victory of Lucifer the benevolent "God" of Masonic institutions such as TKE.

i just speculate to what God "Jeff Gannon" has given himself, considering his habitual lying, homosexual prostitution & support for this blood thirsty Administration/Regime.

i think it was put well today on the Rigorous Intuition blog:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/

"Is "Jeff Gannon" really Johnny Gosch? Could be. For what it's worth, and I'll leave it at that, Ted Gunderson is persuaded. But whomever "Gannon" is, and whatever the meaning of his presence in the press pool, "it's too weird" is not an argument.

If Americans are ever to dismantle the National Security State and have something like a country again, they need to take the Weird with the Wrong. This may mean entertaining, in the best possible sense, the consideration that its nightmare machinery is not just about black ops, but also black arts."

one
human?

::edit:: typos

[fob]

52. "Inevitable" looks to me like a stylized version of a ball of yarn coming

undone.

I searched the first 20 pages of images that came up but no match. That's about 400 of the almost sixteen thousand "hits"

[intheflow]

54. I also saw a ball of yarn.

Being pulled through a tear in some fabric.

[Project_Willow]

76. more speculation...

monarch = marionette programming, the strings attached, escaping the fabric (of the network?) still tied but floating up and away?

I do not recognize the image either, I'm just throwing out these thoughts.

[Name removed]

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[nonny]

25. Just waiting for Mordarlar to check in..............

[Catherine Vincent]

26. same here...

[Andy_Stephenson]

27. Me too

but I fear I will have to go to bed before then. I am wiped tonight. Feeling pretty shabby

[Catherine Vincent]

32. You should get some rest, Andy.

But maybe you can pull your bed to the computer (if you don't have a laptop) and check in periodically as you sleep?;-)

[fooj]

45. Greetings! Hey what is the time difference for Mordarlar and California?

Is it 2 or 3 hours? Thanks...hope you can help me out!

[intheflow]

50. 3 hours. n/t

[fooj]

55. Thanks...should be any time now!

:hi:

[intheflow]

34. Me three.

Sorry, I couldn't help the bad pun. But I'm with you on the waiting.

[fooj]

37. Should pm me within the next hour or so. Mordarlar pm'd me this a.m.

and gave me the timeframe so...I'm waiting anxiously, too. I'm hoping it was an eventful trip!!!:headbang: Until M. is back safe and sound posting away like a maniac- I'll be glued to this computer. We'll wait together, ok nonny? Peace.

[merh]

47. nonny, rense is using your images.

I don't know if you want to contact them about that or not. You can pmail Skinner and ask him about this, he may explain to you about rense responsiblities regarding the use of them.

You should be given credit for your work. You should be proud of your work.

[fooj]

49. I second that!!! Good call, merh!

[nonny]

90. Thanks for the heads up merh!

I took your advice and pm'd Skinner. Will see what he says.
Thanks
:pals:

[Catherine Vincent]

95. Did you read this thread, nonny?:-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3240091

[nonny]

122. Just did......

Lots of opinions out there. I particularly enjoyed "Eye exams for the lot of ya"

Yesterday, when I was trying to pause the video of Gannon on Anderson 360 I was stuck by 2 things that really affect someone's looks.

First is the lighting. This TV lighting gives such even all-over light that there are virtually no shadows on the face. It softens the angles and makes the face look more ---- generic. It is supposed to be the most flattering look for a portrait.
Ever hold a flashlight under your chin? Scary shadows right?
The photo on his website looks like he was standing directly under a light bulb. Casting shadows that define the eye shapes, cheek bones, chin mark. (I think this kind of photo is so much for interesting to look at) IMO

Second is the expression that is caught the moment the camera snaps or the button pauses the video. Eyebrows were constantly going up and down. Blinking eyes, mouth open and shut, with each pause, he had a completely different look.
In your post -- the many faces..... Jeff Gannon's Washington, it looks like his image was resized without maintaining the some proportion. It looks like it was stretched up (and not out) making his head too thin. Just a digital mistake. It will be great to have Mordarlar's new picture's to check out.

[EFerrari]

180. wow. Yes on the TV effect and yes on the website shot.

The head looks elongated and narrower.

They're using frontpage. :shrug:

[merh]

125. Good, I want you to take care of your work.

Let me know what Skinner has to say!

[Catherine Vincent]

35. Did you know that Gannon has trademarked his "divorced from reality" bit?

"Divorced From Reality™"

I still feel bad for him but if anything, Gannon is definitely good for laughs. Hahaha!

[Hissyspit]

36. Americablog Poster: Rense.com post of transition photos

Posted on Americablog. Just passing on the message.

"I'm personally not a member of Democratic Underground but for those who are let the people of the "Gannon Wrinkle" threads know that Rense.com has used the "transition" photos of Johnny Gosch to Gannon/Guckert without giving them credit.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone mailed them to Rense without the details of the origin but credit should be given where it's deserved."

http://www.rense.com/general63/gtg.htm
Republicans are Fascists | Email | Homepage | 03.08.05 - 9:04 pm | #

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Hissyspit]

42. Critique of Rense.com link

Apologies if this has been posted already:

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20050308112338554

[Catherine Vincent]

43. I agree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3240091

[Ferry Fey]

44. Rense is not a trustworthy source

Most of what Rense runs are copyrighted articles from other sources, along with the rants from anti-Semites and paranoids. While there is occasionally information of value on his website, don't go there without a well-calibrated BS meter.

[fooj]

48. HamdenRice has got something posted at GREATEST re: Gannongate!

Go to GREATEST and check it out. What do you think about his theory?

[intheflow]

53. Not only posted, it's the most popular thread by far.

Very interesting read!

[fooj]

56. Yes. Wish everyone could get a look at it here!

Wonder why HamdenRice went solo? There have been many ideas thrown out on these threads...

[hootinholler]

57. Because it made sense?

These threads seem to have settled in on the Gannon/Gosch angle. I've tried to introduce other tacks to be looked at without success.

I'm not saying that this is right or wrong. I'm just saying that it makes sense to thread the segments of investigation.

-Hoot

[Catherine Vincent]

63. Are you implying that this thread doesn't make sense?

[EFerrari]

176. Hey, we haven't made sense at every point, we've done better

than that. We made progress! :toast:

[Catherine Vincent]

62. I have been reading thru those posts too.

It is very interesting.

[Donailin]

69. because he''s only dealing with facts that have been verified

or documented.

[EFerrari]

109. Not last time I read : )

But that's fine. The more the merrier.

I sure do understand that impulse.

[burn the bush]

245. Not sure but I think he may have been "invited" to start his own thread

since he wanted to pursue gannon but was not down with the Gosch connection. I think he may have been told that this particular series of threads were Gannon.Guckert/Gosch only.

[EFerrari]

58. Okay, so where is mordarlar? That building has to be closed by now. nt

[fooj]

64. Mordarlar said to expect a pm or post by 10:30...so the 3 hours diff

would put us at 10:55. Yes? What do you think sfex2000?

[intheflow]

66. 10:30 in what time zone?

It's already past that where she is, EST. :shrug:

[fooj]

72. Said 10:30 her time-i live in California so I have her late as of 7:31pst

:wtf: Where is our little TruthWarrior?

[Catherine Vincent]

59. The many faces of Jeff Gannon/James Guckert....

And don't forget the one in my sig line. Is it just me or does Gannon/Guckert looks like a different person on everyone of those pics?:crazy:

[Andy_Stephenson]

70. Is there two of them?

that is what I have been thinking for 2 days now.

[Catherine Vincent]

71. I have thought that for sometime now but didn't want to say anything.

I feared repercussions. In fact, I think I may be on ignore by a few posters already!

[fooj]

79. Speak your mind, girl_25! That's why we are here! Info pit...

Everyones perspective matters. Period.

:toast: Cheers to those who wish us well
the rest, my friend, can go to hell!


It's all about finding the right blend...


BTW- I'm thinking double trouble myself. Peace.

[EFerrari]

89. They've started to understand this on HamdenRice's thread.

JDG as Tribble.

lol

[understandinglife]

118. It is plausible. IF the photos mordarlar has look anything like ...

...current day "Gannon," we may well have a 'team' of quite similar looking dudes.

If that's the case, then my "IF....." post in the previous thread gets amplified, and now its just a matter of when do they bring down Bu$hco -- family and administration (hopefully, not the Nation, as well).

Peace.

[EFerrari]

164. I must sound loony but feel sort of peaceful today

for the first time since 11/2 11:30 pm.

I think you're right. Traps have been laid.

[understandinglife]

185. Then "loony" must be contagious, because I've been feeling that...

....way since I first saw nonny's comps and began thinking about the implications of your analysis.

Thus, the reason why I posted the "IF...." comment yesterday evening.

I think a few folk are enjoying watching the rats scramble and they'll drop the hammer when they're ready.

Peace.

[mordarlar]

65. I'm home!

It's him,IMO. I have to set up my scanner. Copies were the best i could do. Both Greco and Guckert were busy boys in high school. Interesting thing,i could find no reference to Guckert in the 73 year book although Greco was in it. The other years they list near each other. Give me a little bit to get kids in bed and scanner up and going.

[intheflow]

67. Yea!!!! Mordarlar's home!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Catherine Vincent]

68. So it is him?

Can't wait to see the pic! Thanks for doing that mordarlar!

[fooj]

73. Yippee...Now I can stop holding my breath! Glad you're safe and sound!

Peace!

[mordarlar]

78. Thanks fooj. Sorry it is taking so long. Have to load scanner software

[fooj]

80. No worries. Do what you have to do. Just glad it went well...

[merh]

91. Thank you for making the trip and getting the copies for us!

:yourock:

So glad you are home!

[Gelliebeans]

77. wooo hoooo

thanks modarlar :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Auntie Bush]

81. While were waiting...What kind of dog is that? A Jack Russell?

[Gelliebeans]

85. no he is a baby yellow lab

that was taken about a month ago
we just love "Vinny The Brick" :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
even though he is going through his puppy stage

[Ferry Fey]

88. Gannon as porn webmaster

New Kos diary delving deeper into Gannon's work as a porn webmaster.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/8/123054/5928#118

[fooj]

182. Thanks for the link! OMG-is there some crap going on there!

If anyone else has a minute-check out the KO link Ferry Fey supplied for us. Information Bonanza!! Geez....

Thanks again for bringing this to the table! Peace.

[EFerrari]

203. "Male treasures" ? Omg.

The diarist sure is cool headed about it all. A really amazing read my parish priest would not approve of. Maybe.

[intheflow]

117. Seriously cute dog!

Just keep anything valuable that smells like you away from him when he starts teething and you should be able to survive the puppy stage.

My dog is with his boy (my son) half way accross the continent. I've been going through dog withdrawal ever since I moved out here to go to grad school 4 years ago. I envy you your pup!

My Petey-Poo

[Gelliebeans]

248. our beloved dog died last

year and we waited and planned Vinny's arrival.
He has been so good but you are right about the teething.
I keep a chewy toy in my pocket so wherever I roam around the house he has something to chew on that is his.
Sorry about you missing your pup :(

[mordarlar]

93. ARHGHGHRHRHGHHG!

The scanner is recognized. Software is downloaded. But it is saying it is unavailable. The comp says the scanner is working properly. Any advice. Oh my camera did not work either tonight. Fun stuff.

[burn the bush]

94. have you tried a restart?

[Gelliebeans]

98. isn't that always the way

when you are trying to get something important to work everything goes kerplunk

we are just glad to see you home and safe

[fooj]

102. Take a breath...you've had a long day!

:pals: I am very proud of you. IMO what you did tonight took great courage! Thank you doesn't seem sufficient- you're an inspiration! Peace!

[intheflow]

106. Breeeeeathe deep!

You've done well today, Grasshopper. We're mostly glad the MKUltra didn't get you! So I agree, restart the darn computer and relax. We're not going anywhere--even if you have to bring the prints to Kinkos and have them scanned onto a disk tomorrow. :hi:

[EFerrari]

108. What software & scanner are you using?

Sometimes with my old system, I had to reboot and go straight to the scanner for it to work.

Now, instead of scanning, I just photograph everything with my digital camera, aka Mommy's Little Helper.

It's all RIGHT! Glad you're home.

[St. Benedict]

87. Gosch/Gannon's father

Does anyone have a picture of Noreen Gosch's husband? I know this has been discussed, but if so, could you please post the picture again?

Thanks.

Also, does anyone know who the parents of James Guckert are? Photos?

[intheflow]

97. Gosch Sr. picture in the wrinkles Demopedia page.

Click the link in post #2 and scroll to the bottom of the page.

[St. Benedict]

101. no link available..

in post #2 of demopedia page.

???

Can you repost the link?

Thanks.

[St. Benedict]

104. sorry - got it now..

not much of a resemblance there at all!

[intheflow]

105. self-delete

Because you found it! :)

[understandinglife]

103. Thread #10; comment #194:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3230132

Peace.

[St. Benedict]

92. Hunter S. Thompson murder...

...and a crazy theory...

Just mulling some thoughts and impressions here..bear with me...

Does anyone else here notice the physical resemblance between Gannon/Gosch and Hunter S. Thompson? Hunter would have been old enough to be his father.

Considering the 'generational' aspect of mind-control/abuse victims, what if Noreen herself was a victim, and that is why Gosch/Gannon was "sold" into it, as it were? And what if Hunter S. Thompson - in his gadabout days of the '60's - fathered a son by Noreen, i.e. Johnny Gosch, now our Jeff Gannon?

Hmmm....

Off to don my flame-retardant suit! :nuke:

[Catherine Vincent]

96. Now that scenario I wasn't prepared for.

[AuntPatsy]

99. With so much inside information concering his homelife

unavailable or so it seems, I for one would not discount such being a possibility though I am sure your kidding...

These days, anything is possible and everything the exact opposite or so the msm would have us believe..

But it was good for a smile...

[St. Benedict]

111. no, I was definitely not kidding..

...but expecting to get flamed for the suggestion...

[EFerrari]

113. Boo! lol. No flames on these threads. n/t

[merh]

115. We try to keep the flaming to a minimum on these threads . . .

we try not to discontent ideas, though that one is one I would never have considered.

[intheflow]

100. Donailin posted a link to

the investigating officer and coroner's report on HST in this thread. It's interesting reading, but supports the suicide ruling. Here's the link again FYI: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0307051thompson2.html

[Gelliebeans]

107. It took me about 4 days

to read through all of these threads. I know it is quite a bit of information to digest but I think the demopedia page is a great synopsis of everything compiled thus far.

Thanks again to all of the people
(intheflow, Andy, Fooj, sfexpat2000, mordarlar, merh, nonny, troubleinwinter, understandinglife, Faye, suziedemocrat, flyarm, cat_girl25)

for taking their time and sorting through all the material. It saved me alot of time going off in a direction that others already had searched through :hi:

[fooj]

126. Thanks...just trying to do the right thing here.

It's the American way! LOL!!!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[burn the bush]

225. Ya gotta pic? I

[Ronbrynaert]

112. Plagiarize Jeff Gannon

http://plagiarizejeffgannon.blogspot.com

I plagiarize Jeff Gannon so that liberal bloggers can read Jeff Gannon without giving him any hits, and since no one seems to care about Jeff's plagiarism, and since the only justice i can provide is in the form of poetic

[EFerrari]

114. Omg! This is just too good.

Hey, what about we register JeffGannonTM?

If UPS can register the color brown, we should be able to register a name.

[understandinglife]

120. Do it, quickly!!! (nt)

[EFerrari]

124. Okay, I emailed it to my self. That should count. lol

[understandinglife]

129. LOL!!! (nt)

[merh]

119. That is wonderful, I have bookmarked it!

I prefer your site to his, LOL!

thank you and a belated welcome to DU! :hi:

[EFerrari]

127. So do I, merh. Genius. n/t

[dooner]

189. smart idea

I hated to think JG's site ratings were going up because so many of us DUers were checking out his lame act. Thanks.

[EFerrari]

123. I saw on the Greatest pg that Nightline will do a segment on bloggers

tonight.

One thing I'm curous about just now is references to JDG in any media. So, no big fan here, but I'll be watching.

[intheflow]

139. Watching Nightline now.

Very short fly-by mention of our boy, though they did show a censored version of his spread porn pic.

[Catherine Vincent]

151. Nightline talking about bloggers?

Damn I missed it.

[mordarlar]

130. High school pic!

Don't ask. LOL

&action=view>

[intheflow]

131. Yikes!

Is that the only picture you got? Who could tell if that's him under all that hair and behind those glasses? What was it that you saw that makes you think it's our Guckert?

And you know, this isn't meant to be a derrogatory post. I'm very grateful you took the time to do this!

[EFerrari]

132. What a trooper you are.

Hey, I can't tell with these eyes. What did you think about eyes, nose, chin?

[libertypirate]

133. Awsome work!

What year is that for those of use just outside the play by play...

[EFerrari]

135. My next question! You beat me. Because remember the

late high school years are the years most boys get Aliced into something like their final form.

[Gelliebeans]

134. my eyes are getting bad

but how did the picture look up close modarlar? LOL love the porkchop btw

[EFerrari]

138. God, everyone I knew looked like that. Bad hair and big collars : )

[mordarlar]

136. Another. Sorry so small. will have better shortly.

Hmm not so small after all. : )

[EFerrari]

141. Tilt of the head and set of the shoulders?

My first reaction to the first picture was, this is the doubt. Now, I don't know.

[mordarlar]

142. Lets see if this is bigger

[Gelliebeans]

143. much better now n/t

[Gelliebeans]

145. does the nose and chin look different

or is it my eyes :shrug: ??

[EFerrari]

149. The chin is still flattened out by light but the mouth is familiar.

Also notice, we haven't really seen the adult face from this angle, from this slightly turned to the right angle.

[merh]

152. Isn't this guys chin missing what bulldog has?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

158. It's the light, merh. Look, the whole chin is whited out by light. nt

[merh]

165. I see that now, thank's for clearing that up for me.

I don't know, I can't tell.

[understandinglife]

160. Disagree. Photos of "Gannon/Guckert" since the "marine T-shirt" ...

...photo, through the various recent pics of him show a distinguishably different chin, jaw structure. For instance, just check comment #194 in thread 10 because it also contains a comparison with Gosch Sr.:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3230132

Will be interesting, in any case, to see the type of comparisons nonny has done.

In any event, Mordarlar I want to add my expression of gratitude for all your efforts. Thank you very much.

Peace.

[Catherine Vincent]

146. Thanks so much.

What we've been waiting for. It's kind of hard to tell if it's him. Your second pic looks like him though, you can definitely see the gap. And that chin is the Guckert chin. My conclusion....you're right. It's him.

[zann725]

268. The way he's got his arms crossed, sitting down...isn't that similar

to the way he holds his arms in a more recent photo of him? I think so.

[intheflow]

148. An out gay Republican was class president in 1974 or '75?

In a conservative, rural, Republican area of Pennsylvania? That sounds really weird to me.

That being said, it looks like the same shape head, and the mouth and chin looks like Gannon as I seen him in short clips on broadcast news.

[EFerrari]

153. Sorry, was he out? I missed that? n/t

[intheflow]

159. According to the post by self-proclaimed Guckert classmate Ralph Greco,

where ever that was, on whichever thread. mordarlar said Greco was a real student at the school.

[EFerrari]

191. But "out"? I haven't seen anything to that effect

Nor have I read a statement by JDG to that effect.

There was something akin to code talking on the radio interview he did on Sunday.

I was just trying to think about what you said, an "out" Republican class president. Thinking back to 1972 when I was about 15, I don't think "out" was "out" yet!

lol

[fooj]

207. I graduated HS in 1979. "Out" was not in at that time. You're right.

Something about this stinks to high heaven, girlfriend! You mean to tell me this guy was Junior Class President and nobody has stepped up to claim that they know him? What's wrong with this picture? Mr. Popularity has NO friends? No HS pals? WTF?

[burn the bush]

252. I knew gay guys back then. I didn't know their political beliefs

most of the people I hung around with were not into politics. It is plausible that his friends "knew" he was gay. Wasn't Ralph in the same pic as Guckert? If they were into the student council, they were definately more right wing than the average student.

[intheflow]

215. mehr, do you remember the Ralph Greco post?

Didn't he write he knew Jim Guckert and he was out in high school?

(sf, I'm appealing to mehr b/c mehr remembered to ask mordarlar to look for Greco in the yearbook as well, so s/he must remember the post I'm talking about.)

[mordarlar]

240. Yeah he did....

Comment from: ralph greco
I went to high school with a James D. Gucket from 1972-1975 at Conneaut Lake, PA. I am 47,(the same as he says he is)and some of the photos I've seen of Gannon/Guckert look remarkably like him, (except he no longer wears glasses, has long hair, and may have gotten the huge gap between his two upper front teeth repaired). And he was openly gay and a self-identified republican then as well. Is this the same person who then was known as James,Jim, James Dale, and J.D.Guckert?
Permalink Sunday, February 27, 2005 @ 14:46

http://secureliberty.org/index.php/2005/02/11/who_is_je...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3225014#3226764

[merh]

242. Yes, greco said he was gay and a republican, which seemed

very odd to me when I read it, that is very odd for someone in 1974. I will try to find the link in the morning, it was in thread 6, 7, or 8?

[fooj]

199. The SOB was President of his Junior Class and NOBODY has stepped up

and said they knew this guy? Oh man-this is bizarre. There is no way in hell this guy is Pres. of Junior Class and WE CAN"T FIND ANY INFO ON HIM? WTF?

[understandinglife]

232. Precisely. (nt)

[EFerrari]

239. Your question has been right all along. Am going to register

JeffGannonWTF

[mordarlar]

150. Student council officer...J Guckert President

[Catherine Vincent]

154. Oh, that's a good one. I am convinced. That is Guckert!

:thumbsup: to you mordalar!

I am disappointed though, was hoping Guckert was Gosch.:-(

[St. Benedict]

171. You all are being silly now!

Guckert resembling Gannon in those high school photos could prove Gannon's claim that he used the alias of Guckert.

But, Gannon being Guckert does not preclude him from being Gosch!

Gosch was kidnapped at age 12, in 1982.

Guckert in this year book is what, 16, 17 or so? So, until you find some childhood photos of Guckert from elementary school or junior high, proving that he was living there in Pennsylvania in 1982 at the time of Gosch's kidnapping, you CANNOT conclusively state that Guckert/Gannon is NOT Gosch.

But thank you for the efforts - awesome work!

[Catherine Vincent]

183. I am not being silly.

Those pics in that yearbook look like our guy Gannon, imo.

[intheflow]

184. These photos are from the mid-seventies.

That makes Guckert pictured here in the 15-18 range then. OTOH, Gosch was kidnapped at age 12 in 1982. In the mid-'70's Gosch would would have been 5. James Guckert is not and cannot be Johnny Gosch, imo. I'm convinced these photos are of Guckert.

[Gelliebeans]

202. make it a trio

I agree from that Guckert is Gannon. <IMO>

[burn the bush]

195. what am I missing?

If Guckert was 17 in 76, Gosch would have been only 6 yrs old. This picture does look to be Gannon to me.

[human survival]

212. JDG17

take Gosch out of the equation, and the circumstances change little.

same players. whitehouse callboy scandle.

the franklin coverup may really be just that. (especially the Gosch case....)

coverup.

black ops, false flags.

all kinds of dirty tricks.... gotta keep digging.

one
human?

[burn the bush]

262. nothing would please me more than to break open the Franklin coverup

and expose our wicked govt at the same time. Talk about BINGO

[intheflow]

155. Now that's a cute picture.

Almost makes me sad he's gay. Maybe I could change his political views, but probably not his sexuality. :P

[EFerrari]

156. This one is a BINGO!

Mordarlar, thank you so much for going to all this trouble!

[Gelliebeans]

157. great work

I personally can't thank you enough for all your time and effort to go and search for these pictures

this one looks much more like him.

[merh]

162. Thanks mordarlar,

Sorry you had to deal with all the frustrations today and so grateful you did this for us.

This could be bulldog, this chin looks like his. You wonder why he shaved his head, it's apparent he once had a healthy head of hair! LOL.
Damn, I forgot those hairstyles.

Actually I am not sure if this is our boy or not :shrug:

His eyes in this one don't look they turn down as much as bulldog's. Damn, I am so confused.

[EFerrari]

168. If you consider the multiple bodied indentity model, could it

be one of them? In your opinion?

[merh]

178. I am going to have to look at all of them together.

There are some photos of gannon that appear to be different. But I don't think tonight is a good time to review these, my eyes are tired and I have had a sinus headache. Maybe if I wait until the morning.

[EFerrari]

186. Gotcha. Good advice, too. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

190. ooh, I get those sometimes. Hope you get to feeling better by morning.

Let us know what you think about the pics then.

[merh]

198. Thank you, time for sinus medicine and to call it a night.

I just can't tell - some photos the lips are too full (especially the top lip) and others the eyes don't turn down enough.

Tomorrow is another day, rested eyes may give me a better perspective.

[imaginary girl]

170. I'm with you Merh.

I see similarities, but I'm not convinced yet. The chin looks bigger in the yearbook pics, the eyes seem different, and the cheekbones seem to have a different shape. But I'm not great with faces ...

[understandinglife]

173. Continue to disagree. For comparison go to thread 10, comment #194...

....bring that image side by side with this image. Eyes, chin, mouth are different, imho.

I assure you I am quite open to be proven incorrect, but, if anything I am now more convinced that those who chose "Guckert" as an identity did so with some skill. And, as noted above, if we've got a 'team' of somewhat similar appearing dudes operating, then this Jim Guckert might fit. But, I don't think he is the person in the picture in comment #194 of thread #10.

Peace.

[merh]

187. I just don't know.

[merh]

194. Lips look too full in this one?

Okay, I just can't say for sure one way or the other.

[fooj]

213. Before I read your post, merh, I was about to post the same.

Look at the fullness in the lips...not sure if the nose looks quite right, either. Maybe I need to get some z's, as well.

[Must_B_Free]

229. GanGuk Fade - Could this be him???

[merh]

249. Still it is the lips and the eyes that don't seem to match.

but it is late and I would be telling a fib if I said anything with any certainty tonight.

I love that montage! That will help me in the morning. Thank you.

[Must_B_Free]

260. The faces are at two slightly different angles

as nose shows...

The chin and eye width are still dead on, though.

He also appears uncharastically squinty in the CNN screen grab.

[burn the bush]

264. can u do a fade of two people that we know are not the same and see how

they blend?

[nonny]

192. Mordarlar --- EXCELLENT WORK!

You have given us a new start with this verified information.
I am so glad you are home safe.

:yourock:

[intheflow]

166. *** Three Cheers to mordarlar!! ***

Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!
Hip, hip, hurrah!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

The consensus seems to be it's him. I admit I'm relieved, it was such a creepy thought, thinking he was Johnny Gosch. Though I feel badly for Noreen Gosch if she got her hopes up.

[understandinglife]

174. I'll add at least another three cheers, for the effort!!!

And here they are :toast::toast::toast:

But, as noted elsewhere, I disagree that Jim Guckert is current day Gannon.

Peace.

[Gelliebeans]

175. I am a bit disappointed also

but I am glad we can put some of this to rest. Guckert still isn't off the hook, as fooj said in the past threads, where has this guy been for all these years?
Why was he allowed in the WH with a daily pass?

[mordarlar]

169. Senior photo. Not great. I had to use my daughters camera to take photos

of the copies. VERY LONG story. Hopefully will get scanner working later and have better.

[mordarlar]

181. Guckert? and Greco Model UN

[mordarlar]

200. Yearbook staff (chin shot) and Tennis club.

[merh]

211. Lips?

He has a full top one and the bottom one is too full, even with this smug expression.

[libertypirate]

255. mordarlar question please

Did you happen to notice which wrist this Guckert wore his watch on?

[mordarlar]

258. There is only one photo that looks as if he MAY have a watch on.

Just the tiniest bit peeks out of the sleeve. His right hand, if that is in fact a watch.

[libertypirate]

263. Well if that is true...

You might have the evidence that proves.
JD Guckert is not JD Guckert

If you look at this image.



A watch is worn habitually.

It is a behavior that we adjust to, those behaviors are the ones that are hard to break.

[mordarlar]

266. I looked again at the pic. There is writing in the corner....

it looks as if it was written ON the photo. But it proves the yearbook printer did not "flop" the photo. Once the battery charges i will try to photograph it. It barely peeks out so it may not show up. Definitely his right hand tho.

[zann725]

267. That's why he blinked so much during Anderson/CNN interview...

...he wears contact lenses?

[St. Benedict]

140. Frank Rich NY Times article

Isn't it funny what he says here?

"Given an all-Republican government, the only investigation possible will have to come from the press. Which takes us back to 1972, the year of Thompson's fear and loathing on the campaign trail. That was no golden age for news either. As Thompson's Rolling Stone colleague, Timothy Crouse, wrote in his own chronicle of that year, "The Boys on the Bus," months of stories by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein failed to "sink in" and only 48 percent of those polled by Gallup had heard of Watergate by Election Day.

Some news organizations had simply ignored The Post's scoops "out of petty rivalry," wrote Mr. Crouse. Others did so because they "feared the administration or favored Nixon in the presidential race." Others didn't initially recognize the story's importance. (The New York Times played the Watergate break-in on page 30.) The White House's pathological secrecy and penchant for threatening to use the Federal Communications Commission as a battering ram on its broadcast critics took care of the rest. According to a superb new history of the Washington press corps, "Reporting from Washington," by Donald A. Ritchie, even Mr. Rather, then CBS's combative man in the Nixon White House, "left the Watergate story alone at first, sure that it would fade like 'a puff of talcum powder.' "

At this point, far less than 48% of people in this country have any idea of Gannongate, or what its real depth and scope are and its implications. And those who do know, think it will - poof! - disappear. But it is left to folks like us and Skolnick to do the investigation and get it heard first through the voices of Rense, Jones, Corbin. It will eventually be heard in the MSM.

[EFerrari]

147. 1972 Redux? Was that just before disco?

:silly:

I was only about 15 and remember the country being polarizing but nothing like it is today. And Bu$h makes Nixon look like Shirley Temple.

[Oilwellian]

161. Hi everyone...I have a question

I've been a silent fan of the Wrinkle threads since their beginning and find they've illicited almost every emotion that's humanely possible. Being a mother, I can't begin to describe the despair I feel for the children who've been victimized by this most evil, despicable side of humankind.

Whether or not it's proven that Gannon is actually Gosch, I can't help but feel sad for this man because SOMETHING lead him to prostitution. If indeed he's Gosch, then of course my sorrow will only deepen.

With that being said, I'm hoping one of you can give a short recap of Mordalar's visit to a library. I'm trying to remember if she's looking up a high school or college pic. What are the implications by Mordalar saying she thinks it's Gannon?

Thanks to anyone who can help and keep up the good work everyone.

On Edit: Wow, the thread's moving so fast, I didn't realize it was posted that it's his high school pic. Thanks for being so brave Mordalar.

[Catherine Vincent]

163. Those are high school pics from 1972...I think.

Gosch was kidnapped in 1982...he was 12.

[EFerrari]

172. Okay, so what does this evidence mean to you all? n/t

[understandinglife]

179. See #160 and #173. Close but no cigar, and I think that is evidence...

....that the choice of "Jim Guckert" was not accidental. I also think it likely that Johnny Gosch is still alive and blogging.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

Hope you're right.

Doesn't that just beat all?

Here I am rooting for a rightwing operative who today slammed Teresa Heinz.

Got to get a anoter hat -- Bullwinkle.

[Andy_Stephenson]

205. I agree.

The Picture of the blogger is not the same person in the yearbook.

Additionally, Gosch Sr. is far to similar to the blogger. I am now more convinced than ever that there are two and possibly 3 characters in this scheme.

[understandinglife]

216. Have you pm'd/emailed nonny to ask her to do a comp? (nt)

[Catherine Vincent]

235. Now that is a very good possibility!

[merh]

206. I'm with you - this is not the same guy.

The lips in that one photo are too full. But, I am going to analyze them all again the morning.

[understandinglife]

222. Please do and let us know the outcome. Thank you (nt)

[libertypirate]

233. Do you think...

they choose someone who didn't smile when having their picture taken? The reason I think people are natually drawn to look at the smiling faces on the page and ignore the others. I was even doing it in one of the pictures I was looking at.

lp

[fooj]

238. I agree with you. I'd put $ on it.

[burn the bush]

221. I think it means that Gannon is not Gosch. It was a terrific mystery.

I think this takes us back to how and why Gannon was in the WH. I think it was a job he would have done for free. Even in these photos you can see that he is politically involved and apparently outspoken. To have been a white house press reporter is a bit of a celeb status.

It may well be that that is all there is to his story. He was a plant, and nothing more. It could also mean that he is having affairs with people in the WH. Normally, I wouldn't care who he was screwing in the white house any more than I cared about Clinton and Monica. I was just glad the President of the United States was getting some from somewhere. (keeps ya calm and level headed) Obviously shrub is either not getting any or is only getting sex that is "shameful" to him. Therefore it is not making him calm and level headed.

However since shrub is destroying America and indeed the world...if who is getting screwed by the gay reporter is all we got to help bring him down, then I'll take it.

Then again, unless something more breaks that adds to this story, I'm afraid the WH will just ignore it away into the cornfield too. Here's hoping Gannon will dish the dirt to remain a "somebody" I think he might do it. He has been thrown to the wolves by his friends and colleagues. He is no longer a WH reporter. He's like poison right now. I think he will be forced to tell something to get back his fame.

[understandinglife]

243. Disagree. These pictures may well strengthen the Gosch-Gannon link (nt)

[human survival]

247. JDG17

take Gosch out of the equation, and the circumstances change little.

same players. whitehouse callboy scandle.

the franklin coverup may really be just that. (especially the Gosch case....)

coverup.

black ops, false flags.

all kinds of dirty tricks.... gotta keep digging.

one
human?

[loritooker]

177. Mordarlar, what year (s) are those photos from? Thank you very much!

[mordarlar]

188. Both 74 and 75. I wrote down what was what. I will post all and notes in

a sec. Just wanted to get them up. I am SO sorry for the chaos.

[Catherine Vincent]

193. No chaos. You did good.

And you should pat yourself on the back for doing this for us. And you know that bloggers will swipe your pics to post on their blogs and probably won't give you the credit for driving over and copying them. Like that Rense guy did with nonny's pics.

[EFerrari]

197. Oh please! You're just wonderful! Take your time and know

we really appreciate this.

The lack of history has been so frustrating. You're directly addressing that.

[merh]

209. Please do not apologize and take your time. You have done

a tremendous job for us and you should pat yourself on the back for your courage and your efforts! :hug:

You are the best :grouphug: :yourock:

[Borgnine]

218. Man, thanks.

I've been reading all of this since last night. I couldn't sleep last night, because I kept having nightmares of Gannon being Gosch and everything that implied. It was very, very unsettling.

I think this Guckert you've shown us could be Gannon. The nose is long and slender, and he's got the same sized head. The chin and eyes do look differently though, but I think it would be beneficial if somebody could Photoshop the images to remove all the hair.

[Ferry Fey]

196. His classmates

I'd say it would still be useful for someone who has is a paid member of classmates.com to post a query on the school's message board, asking his classmates if the Jim Guckert they've seen mentioned in the media seems to fit the Jim Guckert they knew.

[EFerrari]

201. I'll bite (don't know anything about that site)

What might you hope to get from that query?

[Gelliebeans]

214. I'm just trying to get this straight

You think that Greco got paid by someone posting a message on Classmates to find someone in their yearbook in a town in PA in the 70's who looks like Gannon and shares the name James Guckert?

[fooj]

219. That's an excellent idea. OK- who is a paid member of classmates.com?

Any takers?

[EFerrari]

224. Oh, geeze. What's the fee? I could always set up

the Nickel Street Protection Agency.

lol

[imaginary girl]

204. quick compare

I had to see them side by side. Just a quick and sloppy pairing, but thought I'd post it for now.



Thanks Mordarlar!

[EFerrari]

208. Thanks. That's what I was thinking as well. n/t

[fooj]

227. Hey laady...I've got a link FOR YOU!!! Read post #88 by FFey

There is some real dynamite in that thread...trust me.

[Gelliebeans]

265. when I read your post

I had to laugh but now that Jerry Lewis' voice will haunt me for next hour it is NOT funny !!!!!!thanks fooj :hi:

[fooj]

269. Used to scream it out my apartment window (8 stories) when I'd see

my best friend drive up...it's a standing joke to this day!
Started the "Jerry whine" in college. Been with me ever since. Glad I could supply you with a giggle.

[understandinglife]

210. Thank you. This is what I've been doing in separate frames and I ...

...hope it is clear why I do not think these are the same persons.

When the 12 y/o photo of Johnny Gosch first appeared, it took one glance for me to see the remarkable similarity, later confirmed by nonny's work.

Close, but no cigar. Close enough that those who may be involved in the backgrounder made a reasonable choice.

Agree that contacting classmates by posting to that site is worthwhile.

But, it would be non-productive for folk to start posting that this "Jim Guckert" is "Jeff Gannon" until way more evidence is available (same holds for Johnny Gosch as Jeff Gannon, as well).

Peace.

[EFerrari]

217. Agree. This is great work AND we need to hang onto our

pillar of salt.

[Gelliebeans]

223. thanks imaginary girl n/t

[merh]

237. Lips and eyes don't seem to compare, wish I had one of those

pens they used to use on the tv when showing football plays.
bulldogs eyes begin at the bottom and curve around then curve down - guckert's begin more in the middle and do not have the same down turn, does that make sense?

[understandinglife]

241. Yes (nt)

[Catherine Vincent]

220. Look at this pic and the one in my sig line. I can't deny it.

[Borgnine]

228. We need to remove the hair.

If any Photoshop wizards can give this young Guckert kid a bald head like modern-day Gannon, I think it would help to a greater visual extent.

[EFerrari]

226. I think we should start a new thread, darn it.

Hate to, because of all the graphics here. If I do, what link do I put in the Op?

[understandinglife]

230. It might be wise to allow this particular thread to go to 300-350 ....

....comments to avoid fragmenting at the early stage of comparing various images to those that mordarlar has posted.

Just a suggestion.

[EFerrari]

234. I'm going to note the post numbers of her posts in case we get shut down.

[mordarlar]

231. My quick opinion...

The pictures show someone who looks A LOT like Gannon. BUT there are some features that do seem different. The lip is a slightly different shape. The eyes seem a slightly different shape as well.

I was thinking about it tonight. Nonny used a pic of Gannon that has always looked a bit different than the blogger Gannon's photos. It was THIS photo which matched the Gosch one so accurately.

The problem with this is that the photo nonny used shows a distinct gap in the front teeth. This high school Guckert DEFIANTLY has a pronounced gap in his teeth.

I really have formed no concrete opinions from this yet. I have not had time to really think on it. But i will say from tonights photos that it is a strong possibility that this is "A" Guckert. I just am not yet certain that it is THE ONLY Guckert.

Mind you, i was the one pressing the TWO OSWALDS. Oswalds photos were VERY similar and yet VERY different. I just don't know. UGH!

I wanted to add that Guckert DID NOT appear as far as i could tellin the 73 yearbook. I have NO IDEA if he even attended that year.

[EFerrari]

253. I wanted to tell you, the clarity I feel about this whole thing

is *because* you brought up what they did to LHO. Thank you!

And, ditto. Need to just study some here, too.

[mordarlar]

261. I mentioned it in the previous thread to clarify that i may be looking

for this to be the case. I do not know if this is wise or not. : /

I BELIEVE Oswald was more than one boy. I am NOT sure about this man, but i know it has been done by the same group who have had dealings with "Gannon".

In Guckerts case, there are WAY to many suspicious things. Such as the parallel Guckert that showed up in West Chester. To my mind it is NOT too far fetched to believe this may be similar to Oswald's case.

One thing tho. Since i began to look into Oswald i had a sneaking suspicion that there may have been twins involved. In this situation that would not be the case.

[Moderator]

236. Are You Ladies And Gentlemen Ready For The New Thread?

Perhaps it could commence with the fruits of Ms. Morledar's labors?

[EFerrari]

251. Thank you! I've noted the post numbers and can do the links. n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

244. Where's Faye?

I'd like to get her take on these pics. (she's probably sleeping....so should I.):-)

[fooj]

259. She's been feeling lousy lately. Hopefully she's getting some rest.

Maybe pm her so she can get back to us asap?

[EFerrari]

254. New thread here: links in progress. n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=104

[Must_B_Free]

256. Was Gannon a stooge all along?

2nd from the left in both photos...

[EFerrari]

257. Moderator, I've started the new thread. You can lock this one.

Thank you.

[Moderator]

270. Locking

New thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3243335