What's Up with Bush and Lieberman?

[louis c]

First, Lieberman supports Kerry with pro-Bush rhetoric in South Florida down the stretch.

Next, he's on fox apologizing for Dems that are tough on Bush.

During the State of the Union, Bush is hugging and kissing the Connecticut Senator in a manner that deserves an FCC fine of $500K.

Now, today, Bush goes out of his way to praise Lieberman during Bush's bullshit terrorism "update".

Lieberman has turned my stomach for the last year and half. I'm from Massachusetts, but I'd be willing to travel to work against that piece of shit in Connecticut in a Democratic Primary.

Do any Connecticut Duers have any idea if a real Democrat can defeat "Bush's favorite Democratic Senator" in the primary? It should be in '06, because I remember that Lieberman could run for VP and Senator at the same time in 2000.

[Celadon]

1. I tire of his pandering to the right, too.

He and Zell and all the Democrats in name only. But he's definitely one of the worst.

[newyawker99]

35. Hi Celadon!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[louis c]

38. Welcome to DU

[Kolesar]

2. go get him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1290346

[louis c]

7. Wow, I thought it was just me.

[LSparkle]

3. You just wrote the campaign slogan: "Bush's Favorite Senator"

Now we have to find the candidate to defeat that DINO.

[AndyTiedye]

9. How Did You Get a Boll Weevil Infestation in Connecticut of All Places?

[louis c]

11. By having

Lieberman apologists like "the Boss".

[louis c]

57. Joe Sucks

[Spinzonner]

4. Fundies of a Feather

[Javaman]

5. They're lovers.

[Rockholm]

58. Ick. Wonder who's the top?

Gee, lets ask Gannon/Guckert.

[louis c]

61. kick

[Stop_the_War]

6. Lieberman is one of the worst DINOs...

Democrats-in-name-only.

[theboss]

8. Except when it comes to civil rights or pretty much any other issue

It's amazing the beating he takes here. Simply amazing.

[louis c]

10. Including Civil Rights

Show me how he's better than a NE Repug, like Chaffee of RI.

Chaffee said he couldn't vote for Bush.

With friends like Lieberman, we don't need enemies.

By the way, I guess Bush's and Joe the Asshole's kiss at the SOTU must be acceptable to you, after all it wasn't a French Kiss.

F**K Joe Lieberman.

[theboss]

12. Because Chafee gets an "F" from the NAACP

Whereas Lieberman typically scores 100 percent on their ratings.

It's amazing how people can speak with such ignorance about Lieberman. Someone votes against civil rights every single time is considered just the same as someone who marched in the 60s. It's really shameful.

http://www.naacp.org/inc/pdf/108th_congress_report_card.pdf

[arcos]

16. Chafee is probably more liberal than his voting record...

Jeffords had a moderate voting record while he was a Republican... after bolting the party, he moved to the left. I guess the same is true for Chafee, you just can't vote against the party line that often or you'll become a Zell Miller.

[theboss]

18. An F....the man got an F

You can make that argument if it was a gentleman's C.

But it's a freaking F. 70 percent of the time, he voted the wrong way. That's nice if you are comparing him to Rick Santorum. But it's nothing to be proud of.

And basically, you are saying that Chafee does not vote his conscience.

How is this an endorsement?

[arcos]

21. I could bet most don't vote their conscience 100% of the time...

After all, they are politicians that belong to a party that pressures them to vote their way, and sometimes punish them if they don't.

Before switching parties, Jeffords was just slightly better than Chafee in NAACP ratings, and then started to get better:

2001 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Chafee voted their preferred position 50 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Jeffords voted their preferred position 55 percent of the time.


2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Chafee voted their preferred position 48 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Jeffords voted their preferred position 67 percent of the time.


http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BRI43231
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0901103

[theboss]

25. So, Lieberman is still 40 to 50 points better

Yep, they are exactly the same.

[arcos]

27. ok, where did I say they were exactly the same?

I never ever mentioned Lieberman, I was talking especifically about Chafee's record, which I think does not reflect his ideology or his positions.

[louis c]

22. Maybe you can explain to me

how helping Bush get elected is good for African-Americans.

Then, maybe you can explain to me how you can support a man who is widely praised by not only George bush, but Sean Hannity?

Maybe he was well intentioned in 1960, but he is a piece of shit today.

Quisling was a hero in Norway until he betrayed his country.

So was Patin in France, until he did the same.

To side with Bush, knowing all we know, on Social Security, and his Middle East policies makes a Democrat no better than a traitor to his party.

Certainly there must be a Democrat in Connecticut that is acceptable to the NAACP that won't also feel compelled to perform Felicio on a Republican President in public.

Again, I say, F**ck Joe Lieberman.

[theboss]

24. How did he help Bush?

First of all, the man fucking ran against Bush. So that first statement is asinine. Unless you think he was trying to lose. And he tried his best to save Kerry's ass in Florida last year.

I will explain to you how I can support a man who is praised by Bush when you can explain to me how a former KKK member is considered a folk hero on an allegedly progressive site.

And finally show me where Lieberman differs from 90 percent of the Dems in the Senate on Israel and we can have a talk. The problem with Lieberman and Israel is that he is Jewish which makes all his votes on Israel suspect in some folks' eyes. John Kerry votes the same way and no one bats an eye.

[louis c]

26. Sean Hannity Praises Lieberman

How can you support anyone Sean Hannity praises.

Senator Byrd has apologized, in public, for his positions in the 1940's.

When will Asshole Joe apologize for siding with and kissing the worst President this country has ever had?

[Lone Pawn]

30. Sure--Byrd has repeatedly apologized for his KKK activity

and has had an excellent record since. Back then, in West Virginny, if you wanted to climb the social ladder, the KKK was unfortunately the best choice. He's since admitted it and repented over and over again. Lieberman is unapologetically pro-Bush. And, for God's sakes, put the race card back in your pocket.

[louis c]

53. There He is, Joe the Asshole

First, there he is, Joe the Asshole, on C-Span praising Condi Rice as a "Superb Choice" for Secretary of State. (Puke).

Then Senator LIEberman is standing, cheering all of President Moron's applause lines at the SOTU, alone, in a sea of sitting, politely defiant, loyal Democratic Senators.

Finally, he actually F**King kisses Bush on national TV.

That's just this year, and it's only March.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. It's amazing to me how some people seize on a single topic and....

...claim that Lieberman is "okay" because he supports it.

IMHO, Lieberman's basically a stealth GOPer, and is just as rightwing as the Busch Junta on a wide range of topics to include our military actions in Iraq, and our continued support of everything that Israel wants.

[theboss]

19. Nearly every Dem in the Senate supports "everything that Israel" wants

Lieberman gets hammered for it.

It's almost suspicious.

[louis c]

28. Don't Pull Your Race Card Here

Duers constantly praise with adoration Senators Schumer, Feingold, Feinsein, Levin and especially Barbara Boxer.

They earn their praise by recognizing the true evil that is George W. Bush.

Unlike your asshole Senator LIEberman (D-Fox News) who literally kisses Bush's Ass.

[arcos]

31. and Wellstone, he was Jewish too...

The difference is that those Senators do not wear their religion on their sleeves, like Lieberman does.

[wakauf]

33. Excuse me

but why is your flag upside down? I find that offensive as I
spent time in the service as did my brother who was wounded in
'Nam.
I would and have defended your right to do so but I am
curious?

[louis c]

37. An Upside Down Flag

Denotes that there is distress.

It should not be offensive.

It is not my moniker, but I understand it to mean no offense or to be unpatriotic.

I would agree, we are in distress.

[wakauf]

40. I don't beleive

we are in distress. If you feel so, I am sorry for you but I
do find it offensive. Anything can hopefully be fixed by frank
and honest discussion but rhetoric(like upside down
flags)tends to drive people to opposite corners. The far left
would do well to remember who has all the guns. Whipping
yourselves up into a frenzy and frothing at the mouth about
distress might make people laugh but no one will take you
seriously. Show your strenght and fly that flag the right way.
Fight your battle with truth and a sense of commitment. Stand
tall and win your battle.

[louis c]

42. 44 Million Americans without Health Care

Continuing losses in overall wages.

Soaring personal and public debt.

A useless, mindless war in Iraq.

Loss of Prestige around the world.

Fuel prices at staggering levels.

A falling dollar.

That spells distress to me.

By the way, why did you say "your battle"? Isn't my battle your battle, as a DUer, or does your freeper font and 6 posts give you away?

[bigtree]

43. a lot of us here displayed the upside down flag as our avatar

right after the stolen election as a protest. To me that flag represents our right to free expression along with all of the other freedoms that we defend and hold dear. Your criticism is well taken but you should recognize that in order to respect your opinion one has to believe that their own right to free expression is also respected. BTW, that flag has been through a lot. It has flown every which way but loose. The important thing is that folks still feel a desire to fly it at all.

"What is Americanism? Every one has a different answer. Some people say it is never to submit to the dictation of a King. Others say Americanism is the pride of liberty and the defence of an insult to the flag with their gore. When some half-developed person tramples on that flag, we should be ready to pour out the blood of the nation, they say. But do we not sit in silence when that flag waves over living conditions which should be an insult to all patriotism?
-Anna Howard Shaw (1847–1919), U.S. minister, suffragist

[louis c]

62. kick

[OrlandoGator]

56. Upside down is a perfectly acceptable way to fly the U.S. flag

Dust off the old Boy Scout Handbook sometime, dude.

[leesa]

29. Why would it amaze you? He's a full-time Bush supporter

I would guess he would do anything for Israel and screw the US, eh?

[arcos]

13. they're actually planning to get married...

in Taxachussets, of course. ;)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. Lieberman sickened me during Gore's run for the presidency....

...he strikes me as someone that could ghost-write articles for the PNACers.

[shadowknows69]

15. Can't we kick obvious traitors out of the party???

[UTUSN]

20. What's Up Between Them? Joementum Tasted Good

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[Lone Pawn]

32. That isn't quite the neocon agenda

The RR has quite a few Zionists, but neocons only support Israel because it's a potential power base for the democratization/capitalization of the mideast. Their central goal isn't Zionism, it's remaking the world in America's image.

[wakauf]

41. Joe

a neocon?
i don't think so.

[louis c]

50. He Just Kisses

Bush.

Someone must have told Joe the Asshole what a pleasure it is to lick Bush.

The dope misunderstood, and licked down on the Scumbag President during the SOTU.

[adigal]

34. Now that Gannon is gone, Bush needs a new

Man-Date!!! Hence, he and Joe are kissing cousins.

[mmonk]

36. Anyone remember him criticizing Clark

in the primary as not having been a real democrat long enough? The man is scum in my opinion and sorry if I've offended anyone (not).

[louis c]

60. You're Correct

about both the flag, and Joe the Asshole

[bigtree]

39. Bush and Mr. Joe

they got a thing goin' on . . .

they both know that it's wrong

but it's much too strong

to let it go now

[applegrove]

44. I am so tired of the "hate Libermann crowd". What are we freepers?

Or are we worse? Are we the patsies of freepers and just going at each other and making enemies in our own party and under our own 'big tent'?I mean I did look into my christal ball and see that on some issues a hawk on Israel will have different relationships than I would like or perhaps you would?

And I am so tired of being told that to like the market is not to be a Liberal. Liberalism is tied to open markets and internationalism like nothing else. That is why Liberals are open. The only thing that creates a middle class is the work marketplace.

If you lump anyone who likes any corporations (how about Microsoft) as enemies that you live in Utopia. Yes corporations need regulations. Yes markets are not the way to deliver all services. Yes we have to read up on what is going on around the world and pressure our corporations to make ethical decisions. There is even a movement within corporations themselves to find a way to 'get back the balance' that has been missing these last few decades from corporate citizens. And yes many people will be working for themselves and not dependent on absolutely loving them is understandable. And yes - MBA schools have not been teaching everything they should. They have shown their ugly heads and will pay for that. Through legislations and transparency laws and re regulating the industries (like pharma) who consistently demonstrate that they are incapable of meeting the needs of humans using only market forces.

And we have to jump on their tails and ride any propaganda the corporations put out. We have to make sure the changes are good and deep when they say they have changed.

But I really dislike it that Democrats all over a sudden are not allowed to have fiscal conservatives & civil liberals under their tent because you say so. Perhaps the heady times in Israel have made Lieberman look especially annoying given how America has been and is being gutted by this White House. But you have no idea what Lieberman is after or how it feels to be Jewish and on this planet and this point in time.

Getting us liberals going after each other is just another tool that the gop/rovbots use to try and increase their supporters. You do not know. Karl may have plans to move into New York and get control of it next. Lieberman may be blowing smoke up their asses. Please try and not be so hard on your liberal/democratic/progressive friends who may adore and admire Lieberman.

Big tent doesn't mean people don't get to vote their hearts. It means they usually believe in Democratic ideals but we accept that we do not get everything exactly just so from our party or our leaders.

[bigtree]

45. Joe

"just another tool that the gop/rovbots use to try and increase their supporters"

[louis c]

49. Democrats for Bush

I am against anyone who allows Bush to use him to advance his agenda on SS and his ME policy.

Lieberman is not praised by Sean Hannity for nothing!

Wake up. I said I want to support someone to defeat Senator Lieberman (D-Fox News) in the Democratic Primary.

Again, F**K Joe Lieberman.

[FlemingsGhost]

46. Do any of you "Fuck Lieberman " folks know about CT industries?

First, there is General Dynamics, Electric Boat and Sikorsky Aircrafts. All very big, very powerful defense contractors. Hint, hint.

How about we move onto the pencil pushers, shall we ...

Hartford, CT used to be known as the "insurance capitol of the world." All the big ones are (at least, were) there: The Travelers, Aetna, and of course, The Hartford ... duh. The insurance industry loves what Bush has done with the place. Hey, You know where quite of few of those Wall Street pros live? That's right ... Connecticut. You know these folks, they are making a killing with Bush in office.

Are you starting to see the picture here?

It's called representing one's constituents, or they'll throw your sorry ass out, and find someone else to do their bidding. Like it or not, that's politics. Lieberman is solidly moderate. Look at his voting record ....

Or continue making fools of yourselves. Your choice.

[bigtree]

47. So we should excuse Joe because he does the bidding of defense contractors

in his state? And we should also excuse Joe for doing the bidding of the insurance executives who you so lovingly call constituents?

Foolish me :eyes:


Lieberman has also regularly voted for legislation to limit damages that can be assessed in civil lawsuits. Many of Lieberman’s friends said he had no alternative but to take this position because it was the one favored by the insurance industry. The industry is important to Connecticut’s economy and has generously donated to Lieberman’s campaigns.
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Joseph_Lieberman_Health_Care.htm#2

On national security issues, Lieberman has regularly voted against efforts to reduce the military budget and has supported submarines and aircraft built at least in part by the many military contractors in Connecticut. Until the Clinton administration took office, Lieberman favored cutting funds for the Star Wars missile defense system, but recently he was one of the first Democrats to endorse deployment of such a system as soon as it was technologically realistic.
Source: David E. Rosenbaum, NY Times, p. A19 Aug 8, 2000
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Joseph_Lieberman_Homeland_Security.htm#5

[louis c]

54. The Trains Run on Time, Too

We expect more than a moderate from a solidly Blue State.

Ask yourself this question, "What would it take for you to kiss George W. Bush in public?"

That's worse than a moderate, that's an asshole.

[against all enemies]

55. And Hartford and Bridgeport and thousands of poor living in these cities.

Dodd represents the same state and he isn't a whore for Bush and Israel. There are other Connecticut politicians that would be better for Connecticut than Joementum. He could be beat in a primary, but then Joe "I'm in it for myself first" would run as an independent, splitting the Democrat vote and allowing a Republican to win. The only thing you can count on Joe to do is take care of his own self interests.

[louis c]

64. by the way

FUCK Lieberman.


Just what we need, a Bush Kiss ass from a blue state.

[Skidmore]

48. I don't know what's going in but I don't trust anyone that cozies up to

that viper.

[BamaBecky]

51. Yep, retirement is in order..........n/t

[louis c]

52. You Know

Some Democratic Senators have to move to the middle to survive in a Red State.

Maybe they stay away from Gay Marriage issues in Ohio, or Gun control in W. Virginia.

Even so, they don't act like Joe the Asshole.

Here we have a Senator from the safest of the safe Blue states, and he acts like a Democratic Senator from Georgia.

[BamaBecky]

59. RIGHT! They can do better.........n/t

[Cleita]

63. Mebbe the GAO needs to investigate how much Joe is getting

to lather Georgie up?

[louis c]

65. kick