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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:33 PM
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Why is Clinton hanging out with the BFEE?
He just said on CNN that he and Poppy were golfing on Thur.

WTF?
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:35 PM
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1. Tsunami relief work
Sometimes you have to do unsavory things for a bigger (and worthy) goal...
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:36 PM
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4. I think Clinton is hanging out in
the operating room and his doctors now.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:39 PM
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8. Plz read what I wrote.
His words not mine. Golfing? Tsunami relief is a little hard to take anyway but why all the buddy buddy bullshit. I certainly don't trust anyone who golfs with the BFEE.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:36 PM
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2. Just another symptom
Of the two party/same corporate master system of government we are now living under.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:36 PM
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3. His wife changed parties. Haven't you heard?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:45 PM
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14. Yeah -- and now that they're rich they like tax cuts!
Talk about forgetting your roots ...
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:37 PM
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5. For the same reason Jane Goodall hung out with apes for all those years
:D
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:37 PM
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6. Clinton whupped Poppy and went on to 2 terms.
So he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by being magnanimous and playing golf with the old fool.

It might be that Clinton is saying, "Look. You were a multi-miillionaire oil-empire CIA heavyweight & an incumbent president and you got your clueless fanny whupped by an up-from-poverty Arkansas governor."

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:40 PM
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10. nothing to lose and everything to gain
Like what? A chair on the Carlyle group?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:21 PM
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17. The Carlyle group would frown on Bill's application.
They're Bush-types. Richard Perle types. That bunch.

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:30 PM
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22. Really?
I would think Bill would frown upon the BFEE? So maybe you are right that they would not take. However it does seem he really wants to be a member.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:17 PM
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26. I wish he would lower his profile on the palsy-walsy thing --
-- with Poppy.

I voted for Jerry Brown in the primaries over Clinton and didn't really utter an affirming thing about him until Linda Tripp got on the phone with Ken Starr about that blue dress. And even then the support was more personal than political.

Politics aside, I thought Ken Starr's investigation was a disgraceful waste of tax dollars. Trans-marital blowjobs don't rank that high on my list of national emergencies.

I agree with you that it's disheartening to see a Democratic president schmoozing it up with someone like Bush Sr.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:38 PM
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7. He was replaced by a pod person during the tour?n/t
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:39 PM
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9. He likes attention

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:41 PM
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11. Dear Sweet William Jefferson Clinton!
Please do not hang out with the Bush's unless you have to. After all what they and their party did to you, I am shocked that you would want to go golfing with those people. Please stay away from them. Thanks.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:42 PM
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12. He hasn't met with BFEE Capo Nader yet, so we're fine. n/t
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:57 PM
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15. Sure
:eyes: that's it. Bush=OK Nader = bad. Some of the enlightened opinions here crack me up.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:42 PM
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13. Bill and George, happy at last
Something I posted to my blog a few weeks ago, here.

Bill and George, happy at last



It's funny how the sight of Bill Clinton standing shoulder to shoulder with a Bush can still raise the blood pressure of some Democrats. You'd almost think the left hand of Jackson Stephens doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

I'm always up for a good Bush-bash, but if we're serious about exposing unpleasant truths we shouldn't balk when our own pleasant assumptions are exposed as little more than comfortable lies. And it seems to me that quite a few who study the high crimes of state do so not for the sake of justice, but rather to score points against political adversaries, as though politics still mattered.

Invariably, the conclusions then drawn are shallow and incomplete, and the systemic, bipartisan corruption again fails to receive the radical critique it deserves. (I find this sometimes with the 9/11 short-hand "Bush Knew," which backward-masks the mere political over the parapolitical.)

For an illustration of what I mean, spend some time digging through the Clinton-era archives of a number of conservative websites. You'll recover lots of good material on BCCI, the Inslaw affair, Mena drug trafficking and more. But almost invariably, it's all dumped at the feet of the Clinton White House, rather than the true perp which has cast a shadow over every White House since Harry Truman's: the perpetual, criminalized and increasingly privatized National Security State.

It was no surprise that, when Bush was selected President, most Republicans lost interest in the material, which again became the domain of "wild-eyed conspiracy theorists."

Likewise for Democrats. A number have no trouble entertaining the notion that 9/11 was an inside job, but they have persuaded themselves that Mena drug-trafficking was a right-wing lie (even though it was a Bush Iran/Contra operation for which Clinton provided cover, earning for Arkansas a tithe of laundered money), and that there was nothing suspicious about Vincent Foster's death (even though it stinks of PROMIS and BCCI).

I mentioned Jackson Stephens. Let's take a quick look.



The Arkansas billionaire was the principal domestic bagman for both George HW Bush and Bill Clinton.

The Kerry Committee identified Stephens as "possibly BCCI's principal US broker," having facilitated its first American acquisitions, the National Bank of Georgia and its former parent, Financial General Bankshares. Stephens in fact introduced the bank's Pakistani financier, Agha Hasan Abedi, to Bert Lance way back in 1975. And Stephens, along with Salem bin Laden via James Bath, became the financial saviours of George W Bush's troubled Harken Energy.

Stephens' name is linked to everything from BCCI to Mena to PROMIS to 9/11 (Daniel Hopsicker has found Stephens "active" in Venice Florida, where the 9/11 pilots trained and were sheltered.) Enough spirals to make even the late Mark Lombardi dizzy.

So, is Stephens a Republican or Democrat? What a silly question. His first allegiance is to the National Security Agency:

The chief government effort to spy on U.S. domestic banking transactions was directed by the electronic spy agency, the National Security Agency (NSA), working in connection with the Little Rock software firm Systematics. Systematics, half-owned by billionaire Jackson Stephens (of Stephens Inc. fame), has been a major supplier of software for back office clearing and wire transfers. It was Stephens' attempt to get Systematics the job of handling the data processing for the Washington-D.C. bank First American that led to the BCCI takeover of that institution. Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster represented Systematics in that endeavor, and later Foster became an overseer of the NSA project with respect to Systematics.

Working together, the NSA and Jackson Stephens' Systematics developed security holes in much of the banking software Systematics sold. Now we face a crisis in banking and financial institution security, according to John Deutch, Director of the CIA. "One obstacle is that banks and other private institutions have been reluctant to divulge any evidence of computer intrusions for fear that it will leak and erode the confidence of their customers. Deutch said 'the situation is improving' but that more cooperation was needed from major corporations, and said the CIA remains willing to share information with such firms about the risks they might face."

What Deutch failed to mention was that this "banking crisis" in large part was itself created by one of the U.S. intelligence agencies--the NSA in cahoots with Stephens' software firm Systematics.


And what about Mena? If the drug trafficking really happened on Clinton's watch as Governor, some Democrats argue, then why didn't Kenneth Starr go after it?

It may have something to do with what Starr was doing in 1982: aiding Attorney General William French Smith excise drug trafficking from a long list of crimes the CIA was legally bound to report if Agency operatives were found to be perpetrating them. This laid a premeditated cover for Iran/Contra's guns for drugs, of which Mena was a critical hub.

As Hopsicker wrote:

This explains the dichotomy between Starr's handling of the Foster murder and the Arkansas Horrors versus his handling of the Monica Lewinsky/ perjury issue. Starr isn't protecting Bill Clinton per se, he is protecting the CIA.... Starr is not afraid to press on the Monica Lewinsky issue because that scandal does not risk exposure of the CIA's Iran-Contra smuggling. Starr...is connected to the CIA drug cartel. He helped write their "license to smuggle". This is why Starr covered up Foster's murder, to protect that operation. This is not a Republican scandal. This is not a Democratic scandal. This is a CIA drug scandal. And both parties are dirty as hell.

So enough of gaming left or right "conspiracy theories." They're either right or wrong. Enough, even, of politics. The truth isn't out there, it's down there: below the surface of things. And as usual, that's where things get really stinky.

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:00 PM
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16. Great article, I will have to visit your blog more often!!!
Nice job.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:24 PM
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20. Thanks for posting.


Doesn't surprise me that Clinton would have a few skeletons in the closet that his fans would rather not know about.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:34 PM
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18. it in't about which man
it's about THE man
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:40 PM
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19. They are both members of the
"ex-president's club".
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:28 PM
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21. and?
go on.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 07:28 PM
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24. I have no other information.
I can make things up all day long about what they might be doing. But other than the obvious, I've got nothin'.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:55 PM
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23. I think Clinton has made a deal with the devils to ALLOW Hillary to get
the ok to run, maybe to win.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 07:33 PM
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25. According to Twitty Matthews, it's to improve Hillary's moderate appeal
But Twitty is just a twit and a POS.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:15 PM
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27. Remember INSLAW
Obstruction of Justice: The INSLAW Scandal

EXCERPT...

On July 23, 1993, Washington attorney Paul Wilcher was found dead in his apartment under mysterious conditions. Seeking to expose the connection between the October Surprise, Iran-Contra, BCCI and the Inslaw scandals, at the time of his death he was investigating gun-running out of Mena, Arkansas. Shortly before his death he wrote Attorney General Janet Reno a 105 page letter describing evidence that he had concerning the various scandals. The first page of the letter stated in part, "The lives of key participants, other witnesses and even myself, are now in grave danger as a result of my passing this information on to you. If you let this information fall into the hands of the wrong persons...some or all of those who know the truth...could well be silenced in the very near future." Ward.

Vali Delahanty disappeared on August 18, 1992. At the time of her disappearance, she had been trying to warn Michael Riconosciuto that the DEA and Justice Department officials were about to frame him on drug charges. On April 13, 1994, the skeletal remains of her body were discovered at Lake Bay, Washington.

Following the issuance of the Bua report, attorneys for Inslaw issued a rebuttal and later an addendum. In the Addendum to Inslaw's Analysis and Rebuttal of the bua Report, issued February 14, 1994, it states, "According to current and former Justice Department employees, the Justice Department has its own covert intelligence agency that operates out of the Criminal Division's Office of Special Investigations (OSI); its intelligence agents have virtually nothing to do with OSI's publicly declared mission of locating and deporting Nazi war criminals. OSI in turn, has its own proprietary company that allegedly employs scores of agents of diverse nationalities, as well as individuals who appear to be holding other jobs in U.S. Government departments and agencies, and in the U.S. armed forces, has allegedly participated in the illegal trafficking in Promise software and in the murder of the investigative journalist Danny Casolaro."

In December 1993, Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, then the third ranking official at the Justice Department, reopened the investigation into Casolaro's death. One month later, however, Hubbell was forced to resign his position at Justice. The Rose Law Firm declared that Hubbell had failed to provide documentation for expenses charged to the firm and POM had lost $1 million in litigation fees. This was done when Hubbell pursued a patent infringement case which he took on a contingency basis for his brother-in-law Skeeter Ward.

POM's admitted jobs for the Pentagon and questionable finances at the ADFA remained obscure as Hubbell's representation of POM became the official reason for his resignation. Critics have charged that then Governor Bill Clinton passively resisted investigating POM and the Mena operation, but the real reason for his passivity may have been the obvious tie-in with the related scandals of Casolaro's Octopus.

CONTINUED...

http://www.american-buddha.com/exposing.inslaw.htm

Great thread, Sterling. After seeing Clinton let the BFEE get away with murder in BCCI and INSLAW and whatever else, I'm not all that much surprised to see him now play golf with Poppy -- the Dorian Gray head of the VRWC that did all they could to kill Bill's character, reputation and leadership in public, blue dress and cigar and all. Still, it stinks.

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skywalker_5 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:18 PM
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28. Malloy says Clinton is a Repug
I agree
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