Do you think the pukes are hurting themselves

[n2mark]

by supporting the new Bunkruptcy bill and giving themselves raises, supporting shrub's budget, not supporting the min. wage, supporting all of shrub's appointees, supporting the war, lack of support for our troops, the increase of gas which will result in increases on travelling, electricity increases, and thier lack of respect to all Americans. Oh, forgot their lack of respect to seniors. I'm sure I've missed other topics. Forgot another, their lack of communicating with the American people.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. Indeed they are

They are so confident that because they control the media they feel they can do anything. Well, the kind of damage they are doing and the sort of messes that will be created just can't be spun, not even by the MSM whores. They better get ready for the coming backlash-which IMHO has started already.

[n2mark]

3. There has to be a backlash

I just don't understand where middle and (gosh I hate to say this), lower America will accept their rhetoric or actions.

The tougher I was on my kids, the more they rebelled. I think this will happen in the US.

[ktowntennesseedem]

2. I hope they are.

I would say they are killing themselves, but I've discovered that so many Americans are stupid enough to believe whatever their leadership tells them, they probably aren't doing that much self-inflicted damage.

Still, I hope that they take their big "mandate" and go out and hang themselves with it. Hasn't come close to happening yet, but maybe this is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[n2mark]

11. I'm not too sure if the American people are stupid

I think they are caught in the middle. They want to be "patriotic", If they oppose the shrub, they are being unpatriotic. I think most Americans want to be in that patriotic group. The shrub has really pushed patriotism.

You either support the shrub, be a patriot, or oppose and you are not a patriot. You don't care about democracy if you oppose the shrub. And...... there is the brainwashing from the WH.

[ktowntennesseedem]

17. Hit the nail on the head with that one!

A lot of people I know ARE that stupid, but you right that many are simply caught in the middle. Support-the-president = support-the-troops = love-America. It's so much simpler to explain and remember than the hoops we have to jump through. I show more love for my country by opposing the bad decisions and policies of it leaders than those who blindly approve of and accept them. I show far more support for the troops by calling for an end to an unjust war and praying for their swift and safe return than those cheer them on as if watching their favorite team play for the championship.

The stupid are hopeless, but those truly caught in the middle need to hear us better articulate the reasons for our opposition, and understand that they don't sacrifice their patriotism by disagreeing with the president; in fact that's the only genuine form of patriotism.

[Hamlette]

4. No. I can't even imagine what they would have to do

I was certain we would win in 2004 what with the GOP overreaching and lying.

If Bush was found in bed with a naked dead 8 year old boy and announced abortion really IS a good thing, they sheep would follow.

I thought we were smarter than that. Clinton had a 70% approval rating at the height of the impeachment. Why did 70% get it then and only 50% get it now?

(another interesting factoid: Polls on the question: Is the country headed in the right direction? are always low. The highest they have been in the last 15 years, at about 63%, was right after Clinton admitted to having an affair with Lewinsky. What was THAT about?)

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Yep

Even when Clinton left office he had a 60% rating after all the Monica stuff. Which I think is pretty good considering all that happened with that and Whitewater. :eyes: I was watching on MSNBC the special Brovak had before he left of all he's seen in his reporting and he was interviewing Bush in 2000 after he "won" and told him Clinton's approval rating and what he thought about it and Bush said: "too bad. I'm president now." He really did say that. So I don't think anybody in the administration cares anything about polls. As long as they have the power.

[mmonk]

5. They can't hurt themselves until

the American people grow a brain.

[n2mark]

14. They have a brain,

they don't use it. They live on fear.

[BigBearJohn]

6. Once the poor repugs feel the pinch, THEN we will see something happen

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Even if

that happens other people won't believe it's because of the government. They always say it's because people are lazy and sit on their butts and are waiting for a government handout. Some repuke told me that earlier today on another board. :eyes:

[atreides1]

7. It seems nothing they do hurts them

They control the media, they walk hand in hand with corporations, and they even have some democrats joining them for their votes.

They communicate with those that they deem worthy of communicating with, as for the sheep and dirt farmers that support them, that's why they have people like Falwell, Robertson and Graham.

The repukes just keep reminding their followers that moral values, and the fight against gay marriage is more important then food for the poor, prescription drugs for the elderly, and affordable health care for all Americans.

As long as they can be convinced that they are the true "Christians", and those of us who do care for the plight of others are followers of Satan, the repukes will remain in power.

Just watch and see what happens in 2006, the repukes will get sent
right back to D.C.

[Booster]

8. Nope. Because I think to the average Republican it is more

important to win elections than it is to keep their rights, their soc. sec., their pensions - I could go on and on. It's like a football game to them, that they have to win whatever the cost. Sad.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. Of course

Most definietly. It may not happen right away but eventually.

[leftofthedial]

13. eveything the repukes does hurts them

they are, after all, hellbent on Armageddon and destruction of the planet.

[n2mark]

15. Okay

I am a believer in Karma, what goes around comes around. the pukes are going to pay the price, just don't know when. But, everything they are doing will bite them in the butt eventually.

[Kolesar]

16. Bush creates his own reality

People obviously don't look deeply into the issues and believe this implausible shit that the media feeds them.

[tinonedown]

18. The things you mention do add up.

But we need election reform, hate to sound like a broken record. If all votes do not count, the peoples voice isn't heard.

[sendero]

19. One of two things...

... will change the landscape.

A draft, and/or an economic disaster. One could place bets on which will happen first, but both are going to happen within a few years.

Folks who get sent to war or don't have any money start looking around and asking "how did I get here"?

[Squeech]

20. We're looking for a few good frames

We're always playing catch-up; they're always ahead of us on PR.

We need to NAIL THEIR ASSES on the bankruptcy bill. If they can get a bunch of veterans to bloviate about how John Kerry didn't really deserve his Purple Hearts, we need to get a bunch of veterans to go talk to their congressmen, and the cameras, about how they went to war, and came back wounded, and lost their homes, and now can't even afford the $230 user fee for the medical treatment they need, and this new bankruptcy bill will keep them mired in debt until they die.

Why is this so hard?

[megatherium]

21. the level of suffering isn't high enough yet for the public

to turn on the corporations. In the 1930s, a pro-corporate government was turned out by a public that was suffering 25% unemployment. Progressive government lasted through the second world war and into the 1970s. Even Nixon signed progressive legislation.

The present administration is laying the seeds of its own destruction, however. Between job offshoring, the trade and budget deficits, the refusal to do anything meaningful about our growing dependence on foreign oil, and the war, they're getting into deep trouble.