Gannongate Wrinkles 13

[intheflow]

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Edited to fix link.

[imaginary girl]

1. This line keeps standing out to me ...

(posted this just before the new thread was started, so thought I'd repost here ...)


From G's "Fear and Loathing" column:

"I must be a plant, because there simply cannot be a conservative journalist walking on the hallowed domain of the Fourth Estate built over an old swimming pool."

I just can't shake the feeling there's something "buried" in this sentence. Here's what I dug up about that oddly inserted swimming pool:

When was the first swimming pool built in the White House?

The Answer:
The first swimming pool built at the White House was completed in 1933 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt, who suffered from polio, built the pool in the West Wing so he could use it to help strengthen his upper body.
The New York Daily News newspaper helped him raise money from American citizens to pay for construction of the pool.
In 1969, President Richard Nixon had the pool filled in to turn it into an area for the press to gather.

http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/8-9-00askeds.html

Kind of interesting to come back to Nixon again, isn't it? If I put my shiny hat on, I'd start to wonder if there was some other reason Nixon had the pool filled in ... but that takes a whole lot of foil. Just seems odd to fill in a pool when there are so many other grounds available. And why did G/G drag that into the reference?

[St. Benedict]

3. In response to Gannon's "Fear and Loathing" wink...

So far, (although I've not read all 12 wrinkle threads) I have not seen anyone mention the murder of Hunter S. Thompson and the other three deaths that appear to be related to the Gannon/Gosch scandal.

Here is an excerpt and link from the "Franklin Cover-Up" book in which Paul Bonacci says Hunter S. Thompson directed a snuff film at Bohemian Grove.

http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/FranklinBook...

Interesting that Hunter S. Thompson was "suicided" as this story was breaking about Gannon's real identity as Gosch.

[understandinglife]

5. Discussion on that hypothesis has occurred in several of the threads. (nt)

[intheflow]

14. This is why it's so important to read the threads.

Back on thread 4...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3196579#3200711

[understandinglife]

4. I don't think it was an accident that "he" cited that fact. I think it ...

....serves as a clear indication that he is prepared to blow the cover off of massive scandals. That would fit in so many elegant and ironic ways.

Pool was 'covered up.'

Nixon 'covered up' the pool.

Nixon was destroyed when the Watergate 'cover up' was revealed.

You betcha -- a crystal clear signal in that series of words.

Simply, "I'm Johnny Gosch and I'm ready to rip the cover off the biggest suite of scandals in American history -- just get me in front of a big enough audience to do it AND SURVIVE!!"

Get the guy on Oprah and have her ask the question -- "Are you Johnny Gosch."

The rest, as they say, will be history.

Peace.

[intheflow]

8. Hoffa?

I'm just kidding, of course.

It's interesting. I thought he just said it to show Mr. & Mrs. American that he, as Washingotn insider, knew some WH trivia. Though it sounds like something you'd hear on a WH tour, doesn't it? "One of the strange facts about the Press Room is..."

But the people in this Administration are Nixon's political children. So Gannon's statements take on an ominous note.

Still, Nixon could have had it filled in out of spite to the long-dead FDR's memory. Hard to know what to make of it, really.

[Catherine Vincent]

12. Is there evidence of some sort buried under the press

room where the pool used to be?

"I must be a plant, because there simply cannot be a conservative journalist walking on the hallowed domain of the Fourth Estate built over an old swimming pool."

[fob]

118. I just got that he was being a smartass about how "sacred" the thought

of a Fourth Estate is since it can't have a punk faux-"journalist" there that has a gay escort service when in reality the "hallowed domain of the WH press room" is really just a filled-in pool.

But I suppose that's just the surface meaning. The problem is gannon plagiaraized his 500 "articles" and he hasn't shown the ability to be that talented of a writer to weave in hidden meanings. Although I could be wrong.

[fooj]

29. Imaginarygirl- check this out

I posted this #149 on Thread 12:
**What really struck me as interesting was his early morning comment- "Gonzo gone, Rather going, Watergate still here." That bugs me. Call me crazy, but I think there is something in what he said. I just can't put my finger on it.**

Watergate? WTF? Can't help but feel that there is something there. Peace.

[imaginary girl]

72. The thing about that, fooj, is that it's the title of a column he's linked

to written by Frank Rich of the NYT. Granted he's using the title in his space, but he hasn't "written" it ...

[St. Benedict]

80. Frank Rich either doesn't know what is going on or...

he is being misleading on purpose in that article for the NY Times.
He says:

"Though a few remain on the case - Eric Boehlert of Salon, mediamatters.org, Joe Strupp of Editor and Publisher - the Gannon story is fast receding. In some major news venues, including ABC and CBS, it never surfaced at all."

Fast receding? The truth of this case and what it is really about is just beginning to surface!

Link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/06rich.html?pagewanted=2&8hpib

[imaginary girl]

102. Good point, St. B

maybe that is why it was singled out for special ire on his site. It seems like the whole blog exists as a clearinghouse for media info about the case ... and to try to keep it in the limelight.

[EFerrari]

50. Agree about the loaded subtext. That's why I asked you all

to read with me. I didn't want to just let my own projections run roughshod.

Still reading.

[elehhhhna]

66. FDR-secret medical problem. GWB- ?

[treading_water]

113. Really interesting discovery.

But I think that Occam's Razor applies here.

I bet it's common knowledge among the WH press gaggle that the area they gather used to be an old swimming pool.

[libertypirate]

161. Then why did Gannon go out of his way to repeat it more then...

once...

"Fear and Loathing in the Press Room" Last sentence third paragraph.

and

"White House Press Corps Adrift Following Election" Last sentence first paragraph

[understandinglife]

2. Consider the following: IF....

...he is Johnny Gosch, we know one thing for sure -- he's a survivor.

We would know, upon learning that he, Gannon/Guckert, is Johnny Gosch that, above all else, he is a person who wants to continue living.

In that context, it's not so easy as, "well Johnny just tell us what you know," is it?

For him to have survived and, achieved regular entry to the West Wing of the White House for 2+ years, are remarkable accomplishments.

To have done so means he has plenty of dirt on way more than Rove (i.e., it is just laughable all this 'Rove boyfriend' stuff I've seen).

To have done so also means that he has some understanding of the consequences of that dirt -- he would know it would sweep OBL, Iraq, Michael J, and all the other tv/print garbage off the streets for a very long time.

But, for all that dirt to be credible, he cannot be the one to 'break the story.' And, for him to survive he cannot be the one to 'break the story.' If you remember, he was willing to go on Randi Rhodes but she wouldn't have him without a 'bio,' i.e., he was willing to place himself in a situation where he knew the hard question(s) might be asked.

Someone, with a very big audience watching, needs to just ask him 'Are you Johnny Gosch?'

That is what must happen -- he needs to be in front of a very big audience and someone then needs to ask him the direct question -- are you Johnny Gosch.

I can imagine no other way for him to get the story out to the majority of Americans (and others) and survive.

If he is Gosch, it is such an extraordinary story that for him to survive telling it, he will need more minute to minute media coverage than OJ, Michael J, JFK, RFK, OBL, the past 20 super bowls and then some, combined, to do so.

And, for perspective, please realize that other than the few dozens of folk who read DU, dKos, Americablog, Cannonfire, ...., the vast majority of Americans don't even know who "Gannon" is!!

And, beyond that, an even larger number of our fellow citizens have never heard of Johnny Gosch.

The survivor knows those facts.

The very best thing that could happen is for Oprah to invite him on her show and ask him the question. I am being serious.

Peace.

(posted this a few moments before the new thread, #13, was started, so am re-posting here).

[merh]

7. Or maybe he is simply stating the obvious.

The press room is on what was once the swimming pool! Didn't they fill it in and then locate the press room on top of it?

Okay, time to say good night!

[imaginary girl]

10. But why state the obvious? I guess that's what bothers me here.

It doesn't seem to fit.

Thanks, UnderstandingLife. I think you have some good points!

[FreedomAngel82]

134. Something I wonder

is does your average American know that the press room used to be a pool room? Only reason I know that is because of my JFK history.

[libertypirate]

162. Why twice....

Did he mention the pool prior to leaving the white house?

Not that I can find...

[St. Benedict]

16. Gosch/Gannon's "accomplishments" are not at all remarkable...

IF you consider that he is an operative who is assigned a mission. He is being allowed to live to complete his task.

Four people are dead since Jan. 26th related to Gannongate:

Hunter S. Thompson, 2-20
R. Gregory Stevens, 2-26
Donna G. Humphrey, 2-28
Michael Lefkow, 2-28

Gannon´s "nickname" on his porn sites was "Bulldog."

The title of an article profiling prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the Sunday 2-27 edition of The Chicago Tribune Magazine: "Bulldog."

According to Sherman Skolnick, who appeared on tonight's episode of the Jeff Rense show, Patrick Fitzgerald will ultimately be seeking an indictment of President Bush.

Please read Skolnick's four part series (thus far) called the Gannon Cannon:

http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/media/S_284_S/INTERPOL/INTERPOL.htm

http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/media/S_284_S/INTERPOL/_GANNON%20part%202.htm

http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/media/S_284_S/INTERPOL/GANNON%20CANNON%20Part%203.htm

http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/media/S_284_S/INTERPOL/GANNON%20CANNON%20Part%204.htm

Also, Michael Corbin, host of "A Closer Look" is the only other person to host an on-air show detailing the extent of this scandal, which he did on March 3rd and 4th. Click here to listen:

http://www.libertythink.com/2005/03/noreen-gosch-still-mum-on-jeff-gannon_07.html

[understandinglife]

20. Familiar with everything you list. Thus, his accomplishments, including...

....still being alive, are remarkable.

Peace.

[yodermon]

94. how are these deaths related?

R. Gregory Stevens, 2-26
Donna G. Humphrey, 2-28
Michael Lefkow, 2-28

I know who they are, but how are they related to JG^3?
thanks

[St. Benedict]

100. The deaths are related because...

Judge Joan Lefkow (in Chicago) had some dirty business dealings courtesy of her husband, and she was apparently corrupt in trying to conceal some Chicago IRS thefts on her docket.

Her husband Michael, had a side job in knocking down priest homosexual abuse charges through an attorney referral service for victims that he was receiving kickbacks from. They were also closely tied to the owner of "The Chicago Reader" which makes its money from "sex ads." The publication ran /Gosch/Gannon's porn-escort service ads. The teenage sex slave/pedophilia ring is supposedly run from Nebraska to D.C. via Chicago.

Stevens was Bush's media adviser and Hollywood liasion and a homo, and died at only 42 under some VERY strange circumstances.

[CoffeeCat]

69. From a survivor perspective... (could be triggering)

"The very best thing that could happen is for Oprah to invite him on her show and ask him the question. I am being serious."

I certainly don't speak for all survivors, and Gannon/Gosch certainly may be feeling as you describe. However, my experience as a survivor has been quite the opposite.

The sexual abuse I endured was highly organized, carried out buy a group and they used extreme measures to silence me. However, what I endured is probably nothing compared to what Gosch has endured. In my case, just thinking about telling, was crippling at times.

I am still trying to muster the courage to "tell" even after a lot of progress made during three years of therapy with one of the nations' most well-known PTSD experts. Just writing out parts of my story on DU caused panic attacks for 72 hours (I'm fine now, though).

Sometimes, the thought of telling--is terrifying.

Gannon's public activities and access to the White House may just be part of his "role." He may not have intended for others to figure out who he was. Quite possibly, he may forget from time to time!

I was very high functioning--when I was in the deepest denial. I was extremely outgoing in high school--homecoming queen, cheerleader, etc. I was totally propped up by disassociation though. I was so fake--almost like a cardboard cutout. I'm surprised I could even make it across the street, I was so spacey. It was if my feet didn't touch the ground. At this point--there was no way anyone could have reached me. I was still heavily in denial, because my abusers were still in my life. I was still dependent on them.

However, if someone physically gets away--they can start to shed the denial. Maybe that's the stage in which Gannon finds himself. When I was in these initial stages of facing what happened--I violently vacillated between wanting to scream and tell everyone--and wanting to hide from the world. I suppose if Gannon was feeling similarly---we'd see periods of him throwing off clues, marked by disappearances or silence.

<could be triggering>
Despite three years of therapy--I wouldn't go on Oprah. I'm still too terrified. I keep remembering everything they said to me---you'll never be believed, we'll kill you, etc. During the past year, I tried to reach out to law enforcement, I had an amazing conversation with an officer who picked my brain for over an hour. He said that he absolutely believed me and that my story was consistent with child sex/pornography ring stories that he deals with. He urged me to name names. I was considering it, when I began to feel like I was choking. I couldn't breath and I had to end the conversation. I could barely walk. I got to the bathroom, looked in the mirror and saw that I had a bloody nose. Blood was everywhere and I was choking so much I could barely catch my breath. I didn't go to therapy or speak of my abuse for a long time after that. I just couldn't. So...that's what this stuff does to a person.
<end of triggers>

And like I said--what I endured was probably a fraction of what Gannon/Gosch endured--if Gannon is indeed Gosch.

Again--just my thoughts, as I was reading through the thread.

[imaginary girl]

74. Wow, Sparkles, really sorry to hear about

your past experiences. Nobody should have to go through that. Thanks for contributing it to the conversation, though. It's hard to know the true costs of what we discuss, but good for us to keep in mind.

[understandinglife]

76. I can't begin to respond except to express my deepest regrets. (nt)

[CoffeeCat]

93. Thanks understandinglife and Imaginary girl...

...for your nice thoughts.

I'm doing very well and moving forward with a great therapist.

I consider myself very lucky--to have the rich life that I have. My perpetrators only made me stronger.

I've come to the conclusion that suffering is universal. It's just a part of life and it's there to teach us if we are willing to learn. I still have a great deal to learn, that's for sure.

We all experience pain, disappointment and loss. I consider my experiences no different (or no better/worse) than someone who loses a child, experiences heartbreak or hurts because they didn't get into the college of their choice. The process of healing from all hurt is the same...anger, sadness, acceptance and healing.

We're all connected to each other by our humanity--in particular, the ways in which we experience life's joy and pain. I consider the process of life--and how we deal with it--more important than the actual events that happen to us. What happened to me isn't as important as how I deal with it and how it can help me contribute to the world.

I hope that made sense. :)

[Desertrose]

104. It more than made sense....you are one amazing human being

and with such a wise perspective on life.

many many :hug: and best wishes in your continued healing! You are very special. :)

DR

[merh]

79. Thank you for your posts, the perspective helps us and I

do appreciate that it is not easy for you. :hug:

Bulldog's motivation if he is the victim, is revenge. Revenge is an emotion that has made many survive horrible events. I would think that the emotions for men in situations such as this are some what different than women's. It is possible that his desire for revenge is what made him a survivor and got him this far. :shrug:

Again, thank you for sharing - I hope the threads don't cause you too much pain and help you work with your demons. If you need us, we are here. :grouphug:

[CoffeeCat]

86. Revenge makes sense...

I imagine that he may be positioning himself in the limelight--as a way to protect himself. Then again, doing this could make him very vulnerable--to those who feel at risk of being exposed.

I do understand feeling "revenge." I think you are spot on. I have an incredibly strong need for justice, in my situation. I guess some could call that "revenge." I think it's a crime that these thugs have not been held accountable. I also worry about other victims that they may be creating.

I agree with you, that revenge (or fantasizing about revenge) helps people to survive horrible events.

If he visited his mother several years ago--this demonstrates that he is fully aware of his past and what has happened to him. He may have been plotting since that visit--figuring out how he can come forward AND get justice. He may have worked through a great deal of fear and healed as well.

What you said makes sense.

If it's true--I fear for him greatly.

[merh]

95. I would venture to guess he is taking a lot of precautions and has

let them know he has made all sorts of arrangements to get the info out should he be in an accident and/or suicided!

I don't take him for being stupid. I think he is cunning and calculating, he has to be to have survived and allowed into the WH.

[Catherine Vincent]

98. TwoSparkles, you are going to live a long time.

I was going to ask about you in this thread today because I haven't seen you posting here in a while. Now I don't have too.:-)

I hope everything is going well on your end.

[FreedomAngel82]

138. One thing I wonder about this

is why did he go on all these various talk shows and make himself out to be the victim of going into his "private" life? Remember how he was on Anderson Cooper's show? I didn't watch it but I read about it on here.
I think if the right person comes along he'll talk. Why else did he continue to go on these talk shows when he said he wasn't going to? Why did he bring up his website again?

[merh]

163. Well, I suppose it depends

If bulldog is in fact the JD Guckert that has been a republican since his days in high school and as a TKE in 1980, he did the interviews to keep himself in the limelight, to keep his 15 minutes of fame going as long as possible!

If he is Gosch or some other victim of the crazy creeps, then he did the interviews and has remained public to stay alive.

[fooj]

90. You are quite courageous. Thanks for giving us your personal

insight into the matter. You've taken a positive step...you should be proud! Take care. Peace.

[Andy_Stephenson]

91. I adore TwoSparkles courage...and determination.

she is truly a survivor and a credit to us all.

:thumbsup:

Andy

[fob]

143. I just realized from a Gannon #12 post that, like you say, IF gannon IS

Gosch then his "IN" at the White House is GHWB! Now that doesn't mean he necessarily knows ghwb, but if he were part of the Spence/King ring of the raygoon/bush years, then I bet he knows a couple of key words or phrases that he could pretend to have learned from others (to cover that HE is Gosch) that if he were to whisper to the right persons would get him access to whatever he wanted. Further what if his end game is to bring this whole spence/king/bush porn ring down through destruction of gwb* the lesser's admin. Perhaps he is like a real rambo/bond type that not only survived the porn ring, the brainwashing etc, but developed a plan to get IN the WH and take these fuckers down. He'd be like McGyver, maybe he's McGuckert!

Oh man, do I need to take a break from this for a while, truth really could be stranger than fiction!

[understandinglife]

190. Yes, and as Andy notes in # 57....

....I, also, don't think anyone (other than himself) is 'controlling' "Gannon/Guckert/?Gosch."

Peace.

[burn the bush]

6. Was there a church involved in the Franklin coverup? n/t

[manna]

13. this link links to many many links

It has kept me up for awhile


http://www.the7thfire.com/child_sexual_abuse/child_sexual_abuse_and_freemasonry_satanism_illuminati.htm

[Liberal In Texas]

164. Yes, Boy's Town Neb. Big time. Therefore the Roman Catholic Church. n/t

[flyarm]

9. please...

please don't ask mods to lock the previous thread...if you want to move on do so please..many people ask questions or others are researching and when you arbitrarily lock without knowing what others are working on to reply to others..those answers get lost ..and people who have answered others do not get a reply when the locking is done by those who simply want to move on..let it get locked in due time..when people finish with their answers..some answers need research and it doesn't get done on others whims..please lets all be respectful of others work on this.

thank you

[intheflow]

19. We don't ask them to lock it.

When they see a new thread start, they automatically lock the old one. I know it interrupts the flow, but please be sympathetic to those of us who have to rely on dial-up. Imagine how frustrated we get navigating those monster threads.

:hug:

[iconoclastNYC]

73. suggestion: turn off load graphics on your browser

That should improve your page loads.

[theearthisround]

11. EXTREMELY REVEALING ANALYSIS OF GANNON'S INTERVIEW ON WOLF BLITZER

EXTREMELY REVEALING ANALYSIS OF GANNON'S INTERVIEW ON WOLF BLITZER

My friends, in order to understand how revealing what I've written is, it's important you understand whats called "Eye accessing cues". Here's an excerpt from the book "Introducing NLP" which explains them very clearly.
"Its is easy to know if a person is thinking in pictures, sounds or feelings. There are visible changes in our bodies when we think in different ways. The way we think affects our bodies, and how we use our bodies affects the way we think.
What is the first thing you see as you walk through the front door of your home?
To answer that question you probably looked up and to your left. Looking up and left is how much right-handed people remember images.
Now, really get in touch with how it would feel to have velvet next to your skin.
Here you probably looked down and to your right, which is the way the majority of people get in tough with their feelings.
We move our eyes in different directions in a systematic way depending on how we are thinking. Neurological studies have shown that eye movement both laterally and vertically seems to be associated with activating different parts of the brain. These movements are called lateral eye movements (LEM) in neurological literature. In NLP they are called eye accessing cues because they are the visual cues that let us know how people are accessing information.
There is some innate neurological connection between eye movements and representational systems, for the same patters occur worldwide (with the exception of the Basque region in Spain).
When we visualize something from our past experience our eyes tend to move up and to our left. When constructing a picture from words or trying to 'imagine' something we have never seen, our eyes more up and to our right. The eyes move across and to our left for remembered sounds and across and to our right for constructed sounds. When accessing feelings, the eyes will typically go down to our right. When talking to ourselves, the eyes will usually go down left. Defocussing the eyes and staring straight ahead, 'looking into the distance', also shows visualization."
"Eye accessing cues are consistent for a person, even if they contradict this model"

Jeff Gannon fits the model exactly.

JUST TO RECAP:
Looking straight forward = Visualization
Looking up right = visual constructed images
looking up left = visual remembered images
looking right = constructed sounds
looking left = remembered sounds
looking down right = Kinesthetic (Feelings and bodily sensations)
looking down left = Auditory Digital (Internal Dialogue)

Now, here is my analysis of Gannon/Guckert's interview with Wolf Blitzer, Keep in mind when he -looks right- that means he is CONSTRUCTING, CREATING, FORMING. Lies are often constructions, creations and formations, though obviously not all constructions are lies. Exercise your own judgment.

--All -looks X- are for Jeff Gannon ONLY--

BLITZER: And Jeff Gannon is joining us now for an exclusive television interview, his first TV interview -looks down right-(feelings and bodily sensations) since leaving his job. -looks down right-

Jeff,-smirks- thanks very much for joining us.

Should I call you Jeff or James?

GANNON: -still smirking- Please call me Jeff Gannon.

BLITZER: So what -- explain the discrepancy. Your real name is James D. Guckert.

GANNON: -still smirking- Yes its, Well, it's pronounced Guckert.

BLITZER: Guckert.

GANNON: uh, -shakes his head left to right as if hes unconfident with what hes saying- its a professional name.-gives off a facade of confidence, hes proud of what hes just said-
I used it because Jeff Gannon is easier to pronounce and easier to remember.(he worked out this response in advance, indicated by the heightening in voice tone, the way he accentuates "Jeff Gannon is easier to pronounce and easier to remember", the way he nods his head up and down indicates confidence(though its a facade, indicated by the nervous quiver in his lower lip after he says it)) -it appears he feels people wont believe what hes just said-

BLITZER: But you haven't legally changed it?

GANNON: No. -real confidence, hes relieved-

BLITZER: So your driver's license still has Guckert? -smirks-

GANNON: Absolutely. -his confidence appears to be a facade, in combination with the smirk and the head motion, it indicates his response was well thought out in advance of the interview-

BLITZER: So, when you went into as if the White House and you showed your driver's license, it was under the name Guckert.

GANNON: Absolutely. -some confidence, though it appears to be a facade-

BLITZER: And so you just did this because it was easier to pronounce, presumably.

If you didn't do anything wrong, why did you resign?

GANNON: -looks right-(Constructing, Creating, Forming) Well, since I asked my question, -looks right- people that disagree with me have harassed and threatened not only myself, but my family. And I believe that uh -looks right- leaving my post would bring that to an end.

BLITZER: When you say they harassed your family, -looks right- what was going on? -looks left-

GANNON: Uh -looks right- well, the uh -looks down right- on -looks right- I've been receiving threats. People have been stalking me in my neighborhood, have -looks right, smirks- try followed me to church, followed me down the street. -looks right- And then there are phone calls -looks right- and hate mail that I've gotten over the Internet.-looks right-

And it's been -looks right- its been very troubling. And when it -looks right- went uh toward my family, then I said that I needed to put an end to it.

BLITZER: And when you say your -lip quivers- family, could you be a little bit more...

GANNON: Well, -looks right- I mean -- I mean my -- when my mother and my brother and his wife received telephone calls uh -looks right- that -looks right- -- you know, that contained threats and all kinds -looks right- of terrible things being said about me, it's very disturbing. And that's way over the line. And I needed to put that to an end.

BLITZER: Because one of the things, as you know, that were said is that you had some sexually explicit Web sites that you were working on. I don't understand what that is, but maybe you could explain that.

GANNON: Well, -looks right- uh, -looks right, looks up right- several years ago, -looks right- before I -looks right- came to Washington, -looks right- I had -looks right- registered various domain names for a private client. I was doing Web site development. -looks right- Uh, those sites were never hosted. -appears to looks right(eyes are closed)- There's -- nothing ever went up on them.-looks left, looks right- And the client went on to do something else. -looks right-

There's been so much about me on the Internet -looks right- that people have, you know, made assumptions about. -looks right- And I just can't -- I don't even know them all and I can't address them all here.

BLITZER: I was going to say, were you there in the White House briefing room on a daily basis to try to change the subject, if you will, -looks right- send -looks right- softball questions -looks right- to Scott McClellan,-looks left- the press secretary? Or were you there as a real journalist trying to get the story?

GANNON: Well, Talon News is a legitimate conservative online news service. -looks right- And my questions -looks right- are things that my readers, 700,000 daily subscribed readers, want the answer to. And those are my questions.

I created the questions. Nobody fed questions to me. Scott McClellan certainly never knew what was coming. He knows -- he certainly knows... (unfortunately they put graphics up on the screen so I couldn't see his eyes, but its EXTREMELY revealing how he responded to questions which were not even asked. Reread the question and answer, Blitzer did not ask him "Did you create the questions? Did anyone feed you questions? Did Scott McClellan know what was coming?)

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: Because you wore your politics on your sleeve. Everyone knew you were very conservative.

GANNON: Absolutely.

BLITZER: Why did you not get credentials, -looks right- real credentials, from Capitol Hill from the U.S. Congress?

GANNON: -looks right- Well, I, I, made uh an attempt to do that uh originally -looks right, prolonged- when I was uh going to be covering -looks right- Washington for Talon News. -looks right- Our business -- Talon News' business model didn't fit the criteria of the Senate Press Gallery. -looks right- And while we've been trying to -looks right- to comply, I couldn't stop doing the news. So I -looks right- went on the basis of a daily pass. And that's, -looks down right- you know, it's all under the procedures that the White House has established for that.

BLITZER: What's the connection between GOPUSA, the political Web site, -looks right- and the Talon News Service? It's owned by the same wealthy Texas Republican.

GANNON: Uh, -looks right- I wouldn't say wealthy. I don't know that to be true or not. But...

BLITZER: Bobby Eberle.

GANNON: Bobby Eberle. -looks down right-

But uh -looks right- it's common ownership. That's all. Talon News is a separate, independent news division. I work for Talon News. I write articles for Talon News. And that's it.

BLITZER: So what are you going to do now?

GANNON: -looks down right, looks right- Well, -looks left, looks right- there's -looks left- uh -- you know, God closes doors and opens windows. And I believe this is going to be a good opportunity for me, even though it's been painful. -looks right- And uh I'm going -looks down right- -- I believe that there's a silver lining out there.

BLITZER: Do you have something already in the works?

GANNON: -looks right- I've had -looks right- some people call and make inquiries to see if I had any interest in certain positions.

BLITZER: Jeff Gannon, thanks very much.

GANNON: Thank you, Wolf.


Needless to say, Jeff Gannon was constructing, creating and forming practically everything in the entire interview. The implications are huge.
As to who this character is, I personally believe the most likely scenario is Jeff is an "Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave". Far fetched? I'm afraid not. I suggest reading Fritz Springmeier's definitive works on mind control "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler" http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for.html and "Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler" http://www.whale.to/b/sp/deep.html

My friends, we're not in Kansas anymore!

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Can you analyze Gannon's appearance on Anderson Cooper?

He did a lot of blinking on that one. I think he was nervous.

[elehhhhna]

67. Blinking = lying, right?

[libertypirate]

149. No, eye movement and direction.

But even this can be faked...

Ever notice Cheney doesn't look square at who he is addressing...

[manna]

17. Bob Eberle

GANNON: Bobby Eberle. -looks down right..

--

Is there any more info on Eberle? I find it really hard to believe this guy was an eye witness to the 9/11 Pentagon Strike, who juat happened to be driving down the freeway in a convertable at the time, happens to be Gannons boss

"Discovering and correcting the intelligence failures that led to the attacks of September 11, 2001 is something that is vitally important to me and all Americans. As someone who saw al Qaeda's work first hand when Flight 77 exploded in front of my eyes into the Pentagon,..."

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/bobby/2004/bobby_0412.shtml

[St. Benedict]

21. excellent that you brought up NLP...

I have "Bloodlines Of The Illuminati" by Fritz Springmeyer.

What was your source for this analysis of his appearance on Blitzer?

[understandinglife]

32. St Benedict:

"Perhaps the most striking characteristics in St. Benedict are his deep and wide human feeling and his moderation.

The former reveals itself in the many anecdotes recorded by St. Gregory.

We see it in his sympathy and care for the simplest of his monks; his hastening to the help of the poor Goth who had lot his bill-hook; spending the hours of the night in prayer on the mountain to save his monks the labour of carrying water, and to remove from their lives a "just cause of grumbling"; staying three days in a monastery to help to induce one of the monks to "remain quietly at his prayers as the other monks did", instead of going forth from the chapel and wandering about "busying himself worldly and transitory things".

He lets the crow from the neighboring woods come daily when all are at dinner to be fed by himself.

His mind is always with those who are absent; sitting in his cell he knows that Placid is fallen into the lake; he foresees the accident to the builders and sends a warning to them; in spirit and some kind of real presence he is with the monks "eating and refreshing themselves" on their journey, with his friend Valentinian on his way to the monastery, with the monk taking a present from the nuns, with the new community in Terracina.

Throughout St. Gregory's narrative he is always the same quiet, gentle, dignified, strong, peace-loving man who by the subtle power of sympathy becomes the centre of the lives and interests of all about him."

(more at the link):

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02467b.htm

Welcome to DU, "St Benedict" Please tell us more about those who are absent.

Peace.

[St. Benedict]

37. Those who are absent...

Well, it is quite curious that Stevens died at Carrie Fisher's house on Sat. night (2-26) but it was not reported in the Washington papers or AP until 3-4 and 3-5. And why is this not reported on "Entertainment Tonight?" Isn't it news enough in Hollywood when someone turns up dead at Princess Leia's house? The entertainment media has been curiously silent.

[elehhhhna]

68. If the death at Leia's doesn't show up in the Star or Enquirer,

we'll know it's too hot to handle. They both backed off the government stuff when they got the Anthrax.

[understandinglife]

77. "...entertainment media has been curiously silent." Yes, in_deed. (nt)

[flyarm]

42. thx st...here's more on illuminati!

The Secret Order of The Illuminati
A Brief History of the "Moriah" and the Shadow Government

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/illuminati/secret_order_of_the_illuminati.htm





http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/illuminaticode.html
BUSH ILLUMINATI CODE?
By David Icke


http://100777.com/node/1012

The Illuminati-Staged US Presidential Election





Bloodlines of the Illuminati

Who really controls world events from behind-the-scene? Years of extensive research and investigation have gone into this massively documented work. In this 624 page, large format book, Fritz Springmeier discloses mind-boggling facts and never before revealed truths about the top Illuminati dynasties. Discover the amazing role these bloodlines have played—and are now wielding—in human history, with family names such as Astor, DuPont, Kennedy, Onassis, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russell, Van Duyn, and Krupp. You’ll also learn of the secretive, Chinese Li family, which operates with impunity in the U.S.A. and around the world. Along the way you’ll find out why President John F. Kennedy and actress Grace Kelly were killed; who created the United Nations; who controls the two major U.S. political parties; how the Rothschilds invented and control modern-day Israel; who secretly founded false religions such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses; and much, much more. A literal encyclopedia of rare, unbelievable information!

This is the third and latest edition of this book. The author has added over forty pages of information to his previous work.

By Fritz Springmeier 624 Pages Long

[Name removed]

84. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[kk897]

96. I should also mention that the link I posted above is specifically

dealing with paranormal events, but the logic is applicable to any claim that the psuedo-skeptics say is outrageous (i.e., that there exists a huge, organized pedophile abuse ring involving government officials, that mind control is an ongoing intelligence op, that SRA does happen, that DID happens, etc.).

I myself have never, thankfully, experienced any horrible abuse (that I remember...). But I completely respect the stories of those who have. While it is hard to fathom that there could be such activities as those I describe above, I cannot deny that there is a lot of evidence to support it. I'm not willing to close my mind to possibilities.

My heart goes out to survivors like Sparkles and others who have posted here... I wish we lived in a world where your stories would not be dismissed. I wish we lived in a world where evil didn't exist.

[Project_Willow]

125. excellent rant! Some proof here...

And thanks and good wishes to Two Sparkles for sharing as well.
I am new here, and came on because, well, you're discussing issues that are part of my experience. I am glad to see it.
It is so frustrating to try to come out with legitimate experiences when the truth sounds incredible. It will probably take generations for all of this to be accepted.
There are too many of us used in the programs however, for it to remain a secret in perpetuity.
Here is the most well researched and documented CIA mind control survivor story available (in my opinion):

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/
"A Nation Betrayed"
by Carol Rutz
She has found documents mentioning induced dissociative states and children among the MK docs released in the '70's


BTW, D.I.D. has been proven to exist through FMRI studies of the brain.

[kk897]

137. Hi Willow--

I'm so sorry that you and the other survivors here have experienced the unthinkable, but thank you for coming forward. You guys are courageous, to be sure.

And if it annoys me that people who have already undergone such horrible circumstances are subjected to the pseudo-skeptics' BS, I can only imagine in the tiniest way how it must affect you.

Really, that article that I posted the link to is terrific in terms of how to deal with their arguments. It's lengthy; it doesn't just deal with the extraordinary claims/evidence fallacy, but many other logical fallacies, such as applying what people think is Occam's Razor as if it's a universal rule, rejecting anecdotal evidence out of hand, etc.

Again, it's addressing questions about the paranormal specifically, but could be used for arguments about any unusual events or claims.

[Frederik]

158. Amen

Truer words were seldom spoken. Regarding Icke, though, I believe extreme caution is in order, and then some. His "sources", or so I understand, is usually that he has "channelled" some esoteric knowledge. I agree that he doesn't seem anti-semittic, just, well, way out there...

[kk897]

166. well, Icke did claim to be God at one point, I think...

He was a BBC sports reporter, I think, and one day just lost it on air and started saying he was God. At least, I think that's his story--someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep, he sure seems "out there" all right!

Esoterica... that's a whole 'nother kettle o' fish, though, isn't it. That's where belief, pure and simple, comes in, I suppose. I don't think most channellers (and I do have some experience with them) go about trying to prove themselves or their channelled entity's information to anyone. They just impart it. With other secret society stuff, "higher" knowlege, mystics, magick... I don't think adherents care whether there's any evidence to support their assertions, by and large. I'm sure there are exceptions, of course, but they don't seem to be interested in disseminating information so much as protecting it or hiding it from the uninitiated. That is where it enters the realm of religion, to me, even if it is a sort of spooky, paranormal type of religion. At that point, "evidence" just seems irrelevant, almost.

Welcome to DU, Frederik and Willow and all of the recently-joined! :hi:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

191. Icke was claiming that we are all God. All part of the Creator, Universe

etc.

Icke has been right on with many things. Some people do not agree with his spirituality, but he does know his "stuff".

[Project_Willow]

172. hi, thanks

for saying that, I really appreciate it.
Your link was helpful. My reaction to skeptics (beyond the emotional) is usually to heap facts and resources on them. I am often stunned when they're ignored, so it was nice to see that phenomenon acknowledged.
I think I could help that writer with his section on memory at least. There is so much research about the brain and human behavior that has not been disseminated to civil academia or the lay public.
I am still getting used to navigating these huge threads.
If anyone has questions about trauma-based mc, please feel free to ask.
Now I have to get back to work.

[mordarlar]

24. Wow, welcome to DU. Very interesting.

[fooj]

38. I've come to believe that the mind-control issue is a frightening, yet

plausible possibility. :scared: Damn. I was afraid of this.


On a lighter note...Welcome to DU theearthisround! Indeed it is! Peace.

[flyarm]

43. fooj..read this book...its the real deal x files!!

this is the true story of and the basis for the tv show the xfiles....remote viewing..our government was very heavy into this in the 70"s and was used when our people were captive in iran ..and when the new embassy was being built in the ussr...this book it spellbounding ...


here's where you can get the book..thereis another book of the same name thats a novel...but this is the real deal...a must read about mind control by our government!!
its out of publication for some time..but you can get it at the link i have supplied!!

a must read..you wont put it down!! fly


Psychic Warrior (Psychic Warrior)
by David Morehouse "I spent my childhood in the army; I was a young nomad, traveling from post to post with my family..." (more)



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312964137/104-0357916-7423947

[fooj]

92. Thanks for the info...

I'll look into getting it. Peace!

[EFerrari]

51. Very interesting. I'll have to watch the Cooper interview again.

This is the sticking point though: It looked to me as if JDG was working from a script in the interview you describe. From practiced answers, talking points.

So, it's hard to reconcile canned answers with this analysis unless he is a method actor trying to "be in the moment" -- which he may be?

[St. Benedict]

114. On Bobby and PAUL Eberle....

What is the connection between the two Eberles? And why are they both "journalists?"



From rigorous intuition:

Sunday Feb 20 -

Anonymous said...

"Paul and Shirley Eberle: A Strange Pair of Experts

by Maria Laurina

Paul and Shirley Eberle wrote The Politics of Child Abuse, a book that accuses mothers, mental health professionals, and prosecutors of feeding children stories about sexual abuse. Since the book was published by Lyle Stuart in l986, the Eberles have been cited as experts in sexual abuse trials. They were featured speakers at a conference of the Victims of Child Abuse Laws, a group formed to protect accused parents.

What is startling about the Eberles' reputation as ground-breaking experts in the field is that their dubious credentials have not been widely challenged. Paul and Shirley Eberle edit a soft-core magazine in California called the L.A. Star that contains a mixture of nude photos, celebrity gossip, telephone sex ads, and promos for The Politics of Child Abuse.

http://tinyurl.com/67c46


"In the 1980s, Paul , with his wife Shirley, wrote "The Politics of Child Abuse," an examination of the industry that evolved around the court-lawyer-children's services agencies and other participants that led to a massive increase in unfair charges of sexual abuse and the conversion of our traditional principle of innocent until proven guilty to one in which merely being charged with abuse is assumed to be a conviction."

"Then the McMartin Preschool case happened. Eight years were spent harassing the owners of the McMartin Preschool in southern California, with false and trumped-up charges, each one more outrageous than the last. The final end of the case was a dropping of most charges against all participants, then a hung jury on the few remaining. Lives were ruined and millions wasted on court and lawyer fees. Paul and Shirley chronicled this mess in "The Abuse of Innocence" (Prometheus Books, ISBN 0-87975-809-0), still in print and highly recommended. Publisher's Weekly says, "Trial testimony, juicy courthouse asides, and the authors' keen descriptive powers make the proceedings come alive."

"If you have any interest in witch hunts, abuse of power by governments, child abuse or related topics, you really want to read this book.

http://www.moonmac.com/About_Paul.html

"What is startling about the Eberles' reputation as ground-breaking experts in the field is that their dubious credentials have not been widely challenged. Paul and Shirley Eberle edit a soft-core magazine in California called the L.A. Star that contains a mixture of nude photos, celebrity gossip, telephone sex ads, and promos for The Politics of Child Abuse.

"In the 1970's, however, the Eberles were also publishing hard-core pornography. Their publication, Finger, depicted scenes of bondage, S & M, and sexual activities involving urination and defecation. A young girl portrayed with a wide smile on her face sits on top of a man whose penis is inside of her; a woman has oral sex with a young boy in a drawing entitled "Memories of My Boyhood."

"The Eberles were featured nude on one cover holding two life-size blow up dolls names "Love Girl" and "Play Guy." No dates appear on the issues and the Eberles rarely attach their names, referring to themselves as "The L.A. Star Family."

http://tinyurl.com/67c46

Paul Eberle is a published author. At the time Thralawattle was created, Paul, his wife Shirley, and I were working for the Los Angeles Free Press during those interesting years 1966-1970. Paul has written a children's book called "Mr. and Mrs. Pussycat," "The World's Worst Poems," and others. He also released an expanded version of the Thraladiddle. The Holy Words themselves manifested upon the walls of the original Grotto: the john at the Free Press office on Fairfax. Many people contributed to the thralology. One day it became necessary to repaint the walls so Paul and I took copious notes and then typed the thing up on a Freiden Justowriter, a paper-tape mechanical typesetter, and printed up a thousand or so of the pamphlets on double-sided legal size paper.
The Freep, and other undergrounds, existed through the new-generation typesetting and offset printing, which had gotten comparatively cheaper and easier to use, much as the early Macs made personal typesetting possible. Gary Taylor, the paper's regular typesetter, was able to type 160 words per minute on the Freiden; he was able to run the tape out of the puncher on one machine, across the floor and into the 2nd machine, which itself typed at 160 words per minute.

Paul left the Free Press along with many other staffers amid much acrimony toward the management of the paper; mostly Art Kunkin. He started an early T&A newspaper, the L.A. Star, which he ran for almost fifteen years. Between the pix, mostly sent in by readers, he wrote many rants against the political establishment of the time: Police Chiefs Parker and Davis, Mayor Yorty and Bradley and others.

In the 1980s, Paul, with his wife Shirley, wrote "The Politics of Child Abuse," an examination of the industry that evolved around the court-lawyer-children's services agencies and other participants that led to a massive increase in unfair charges of sexual abuse and the conversion of our traditional principle of innocent until proven guilty to one in which merely being charged with abuse is assumed to be a conviction.

Then the McMartin Preschool case happened. Eight years were spent harassing the owners of the McMartin Preschool in southern California, with false and trumped-up charges, each one more outrageous than the last. The final end of the case was a dropping of most charges against all participants, then a hung jury on the few remaining. Lives were ruined and millions wasted on court and lawyer fees. Paul and Shirley chronicled this mess in "The Abuse of Innocence" (Prometheus Books, ISBN 0-87975-809-0), still in print and highly recommended. Publisher's Weekly says, "Trial testimony, juicy courthouse asides, and the authors' keen descriptive powers make the proceedings come alive." There is also a 1995 HBO TV-movie about the subject (not based on the book).

If you have any interest in witch hunts, abuse of power by governments, child abuse or related topics, you really want to read this book. Most bookstores no longer stock it and the publicity machine was underutilized in promoting it because of the extremely politically incorrect information it contains. It is in print, however, and any bookstore can order it using the ISBN number, so please do.

Paul is now online and can be mailed at paulebrpa at aol.com. The eight years spent researching and writing the book cost them more than it made, and they are pushing the edge, financially. To me, they are just two more victims of McMartin, but the world has an important historical document out of it. Besides, (imo) it is a great read.

Mail can be sent to Paul and Shirley at PO Box 85233, Los Angeles, CA 90072.

[FreedomAngel82]

140. The thing about the threats

is nobody knows his families name's right? He was a hard person to track down so I imagine it would be hard to track down them as well.

[human survival]

18. Drink the Koolaid!!!

in Post #149 of Gannon Wrinkles 12, fooj writes:

Another question- why would he refer to "drinking Koolaid"...Just wierd.


while reading through all the various info regarding the Gannon/Guckert/Gosch
situation that has come to light, i stumbled across a mention of Gary Webb, in
Dave McGowan's "The Pedophocracy, Part III: Uncle Sam Wants Your Children"

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Pedophocracy/child_sexual_abuse_at_Presidio_and_West_Point.htm

in Dave McGowan's article, he points out:

"Aquino and some of his defenders have consistently claimed that no one was
ever prosecuted in the case due to a lack of evidence. This is cited as proof
that the entire affair was no more than a Ôwitch hunt.Õ Of course, the failure
to prosecute the federal charges could have been due to the fact that, at the
time, the U.S. Attorney in San Francisco handling the case was Joseph
Russoniello. Russoniello would later be identified by reporter Gary Webb (of
the San Jose Mercury News) as a player in the Contra cocaine smuggling
operation led by Lt. Col. Oliver North and company, just as witnesses would
later identify Lt. Col. Michael Aquino as an operative in the very same sordid
affair."

so when i read this, i started looking into this Joseph Russoniello character.

here is a link to his bio from his law office:
http://www.cooley.com/attorneys/bio.aspx?ID=33144003

which states:
" He personally prosecuted Larry Layton of the Peoples Temple for his part in
the murder of Congressman Leo Ryan in Jonestown, Guyana and tried several
other high profile criminal and civil cases."

and also:
"Following graduation from NYU he was appointed a special agent with the
Federal Bureau of Investigation, and later served as an assistant district
attorney for the City and County of San Francisco before joining Cooley
Godward in 1975."

The Peoples Temple is of course where we get the koolaid.

Gary Webb exposed Russoniello in connection with the "Frogmen" CIA cocaine
operation, summarized briefly in a PDF found here:

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/masters_of_persuasion.pdf

"In addition to his involvement with the PeopleÕs Temple prosecution,
Russoniello has been involved in many of the more high-profile law cases of
recent years. Respected journalists like Robert Parry - who specialises in
intelligence and political corruption stories - have written scathing
articles about RussonielloÕs handling of the now infamous ÒFrogman Case.Ó
This case was at the heart of a series of stories published by, Gary Webb,
a staff writer for the San Jose Mercury News, called The Dark Alliance, which
implicated the CIA in the narcotics traffic. The charge that the CIA and
other members of the US intelligence community are deeply involved in the
global drugs business is nothing new. Respected academics like Professor
Peter Dale Scott and Professor Alfred McCoy are amongst many others who have
provided compelling evidence that the CIA are the de facto guardians of dope.
In fact, McCoyÕs groundbreaking book ÒThe Politics of HeroinÓ is subtitled
ÒCIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade.Ó During a radio interview in 1991,
McCoy stated, Ò...drug lords, connected to the CIA and protected by the CIA,
were able to release periodic heroin surges and periodic
cocaine surges.Ó He then added ÒYou can trace very precisely during the 40
years of the cold war, the upsurge in narcotics supply in the United States
with covert operations.Ó Likewise, Berkeley Professor, Peter Dale Scott,
author of ÒCocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America,Ó
exhaustively details CIA knowledge of and complicity in protecting Latin
American drug lords. Gary WebbÕs Dark Alliance series rocked the nation
with its charge that the CIA had knowingly supported Contra operatives who
were responsible for the crack cocaine epidemic that hit the country in the
early 1980Õs. Such was the righteous outrage of the CIA at these charges
that Webb was in effect sacked from his job as his editor and other senior
staff ducked responsibility. A report later published by the CIA proved that
Webb was right all along. This CIA report also deals with another Contra
connected drugs trafficking case where the CIA had ÒdiscouragedÓ
investigation. This was the socalled ÒFrogman Case,Ó where swimmers wearing
wet suits were apprehended with 430 pounds of cocaine they were bringing
ashore near San Francisco. In all, almost fifty individuals, including
numerous Nicaraguans, were arrested and the drugs and some cash was seized
and impounded. Complications arose for the CIA when Francisco Aviles Saenz,
a Contra political operative living in Costa Rica, wrote to the federal court
in San Francisco stating that $36,800 seized in the case belonged to the
Contras and he wanted it back. Incredibly, the money was ÒreturnedÓ to the
Nicaraguan cocaine dealer arrested by the FBI. Congressional records show
that Senate investigators later tried to establish why US Attorney, Joseph
Russoniello, had authorised the return of the money. But the Congressional
investigators ran into a roadblock of official secrecy, according to Jack
Blum, former chief counsel to the Senate subcommittee that investigated the
many allegations of Contra cocaine trafficking. ÒThe Justice Department
flipped out to prevent us from getting access to people, records Ð finding
anything out about it,Ó Blum told Webb."

and here is where this leads.

from
http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/new/incathcircles/iccbottompg2.htm

"In Catholic Circles
An International News Roundup
Spring 2005....

The Sexual Abuse Crisis

News Roundup......

The president of the USCCB appointed a new chairman and five new members to
the National Review Board, the USCCB-sponsored group of laypeople charged with
monitoring the hierarchyÕs response to the sexual abuse crisis. Nicholas P.
Cafardi, dean of Duquesne University Law School, Pittsburgh, and serving board
member, was named chairman until the conclusion of his term in June, 2005.

The new members, appointed for three-year terms ending October 2007, are: Dr.
Patricia OÕDonnell Ewers, educational consultant and president emeritus of
Pace University, New York; Dr. Angelo P. Giardino, vice president for clinical
affairs of St. ChristopherÕs Hospital for Children, Philadelphia; Mr. Ralph I.
Lancaster, Esq. of Pierce Atwood, Portland, Maine; Judge Michael R. Merz,
United States Magistrate Judge; Mr. Joseph Russoniello, Esq. , senior counsel
and resident in the San Francisco office of Cooley Godward, LLP. One member,
New York attorney Pamela Hayes, resigned her position early after conservative
Catholic groups alleged that she made contributions to prochoice organizations."

so, after all of that, basically what im pointing out is that a longtime CIA/FBI asset in the legal profession, Russoniello, who prosecuted (coveredup) the Peoples Temple/ Jim Jones situation, who was implicated in the CIA Contra Cocaine scandle, who failed to prosecute Satanist Michael Aquino for his role in child abuse in California (which ties in directly to Offit Air Base/Franklin Coverup/Gosch case), is now responsible for looking into pedophilia in the Catholic Church.

And Gary Webb shot himself twice in the head.

Drink the koolaid.

one
human?

::edit:: typos

[understandinglife]

22. That is a fine piece of research. Thank you (nt)

[manna]

23. Speaking of Dave McGowan

Get a copy of "Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder"

I've posted it a few times now, but has anyone else read the book yet? the book ties together alot of threads that the 'gannon wrinkles' thread has just barely skimmed.

here's a link


http://books.iuniverse.com/viewgiftoc.asp?isbn=0595326404&page=1

and

http://books.iuniverse.com/viewgiftoc.asp?isbn=0595326404&page=1

[human survival]

26. the exterior of a disinformed america.

it was while reading that book this morning i saw "San Jose Mercury News" & something clicked.

Dave Mcgowan writes good articles:
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

one
human?

[manna]

27. Found this chunk of Trance Formation of America

a chunk of Trance Formation of America

Confessions of a WHITE HOUSE SEX SLAVE, '81-'88

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml

[mordarlar]

31. I JUST WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO ALL THE NEW DUers : 7

[St. Benedict]

28. Gary Webb...

was "suicided" in December 2004. How can a person "shoot themself" TWICE IN THE HEAD?? And as I recall he was working on The Presidio/Col. Aquino daycare pedophilia scandal.

Here's a link of interest:

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/Gunderson.html

[merh]

78. It is possible to shoot oneself in the head twice when committing suicide

that is not the question to ask about the incident. The question is what type of gun was used, a revolver or an automatic. I believe with an automatic, when the individual pulls the trigger and the bullet hits the head, it can cause the body to jerk again or by reflex, pull the trigger a second time. This can happen, it is rare, but it has been known to happen.

I worked with crime lab people and know of one case in particular where this occurred.

Now, if the weapon he used is a revolver, unless it has a hair trigger, the odds of a suicide with 2 gun shot wounds would be very slim.

Just wanted you to know that when investigating things like this, don't think there are certainties that prove your point without first determining if they are certainties. Like a suicide note, most people assume that they are the norm and not finding one is curious. Not so, suicide notes are not the norm - I think it's like a 50/50 rate.

[Kansas Wyatt]

192. Don't you understand that proves suicide?

The poor soul was just so distraught, that the individual made sure that they would kill themselves by two head shots. Yep, intent multiplied by 2, well that's so sad.

Move along, nothing to see here. Next victim, uh... I mean "suicider."

[merh]

198. WTF are you talking about?

I explained that it is possible to commit suicide and have 2 gun shot wounds - what is your problem?

Do you just step in to discussions to be annoying?

[EFerrari]

52. Thanks, HS. This is the pattern. Enlist the fox to watch the henhouse.

I think this is what the Bu$h legacy will be: making the works transparent. They don't even try. Welcome to DU.

[St. Benedict]

105. Mr Joseph Russoniello....

Human Survival wrote:

"...so, after all of that, basically what im pointing out is that a longtime CIA/FBI asset in the legal profession, Russoniello, who prosecuted (coveredup) the Peoples Temple/ Jim Jones situation, who was implicated in the CIA Contra Cocaine scandle, who failed to prosecute Satanist Michael Aquino for his role in child abuse in California (which ties in directly to Offit Air Base/Franklin Coverup/Gosch case), is now responsible for looking into pedophilia in the Catholic Church.

And Gary Webb shot himself twice in the head.

Drink the koolaid."

Excellent work!

Russoniello has his work cut out for him...

This is why this scandal not only has the potential to topple our government and even start a civil war, but it will also finish off the last of the Novus Ordo, (Church of the New Order) formerly known as the Catholic Church.

Please see the book, "Clerical Error" by Robert Blair Kaiser

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826413846/qid=1110303578/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8125808-1380829

And also "Lucifers Lodge" by William H. Kennedy

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0900588063/qid%3D1110303683/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-8125808-1380829

[burn the bush]

25. Jimmy Jeff looks like he would be balding if he wasn't shaved

Do we have any info on Gosch's mothers side of the family? Like could we find out if baldness runs in her side of the family. The father has hair right?

[St. Benedict]

30. Did anyone listen to...

Sherman Skolnick on Rense tonight or to Michael Corbin on "A Closer Look" about this?

[human survival]

33. refeed

skolnick rense refeed on right now...

[manna]

34. some inspiration

History, although sometimes made up of the few acts of the great, is more often shaped by the many acts of the small.
--Mark Twain

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog.
--Mark Twain

[fooj]

39. Some comic relief-

Cheers to those who wish us well. The rest, my friends, can go to hell!

:toast: :kick:

[libertypirate]

35. Is the Gannon Blog the real story and Moscow publishing just a diversion?

When I was reading the posts at jeffgannon.com I started to rewrite the sentences in my head which helped me highlighted something.

He might be telling the story in the blog.

The stories and information he has been pointing to have been more accurate fair then to his biased fair.

He also has been making nice with people like Helen Thomas.

It at first didn't make much sense until I started really tearing down what he was wording. It's all propaganda style comunication you read it the way he put it doesn't sound as bad.

Then the Biden comment. Why make such a pointed out of the blue comment?

He attacks the Old Media has focused the story on it being about a gay issue.

He might be using the blog to tell everything.

I also read them in the order he posted.

[manna]

36. Noreen Gosch still mum on 'Jeff Gannon'

Noreen Gosch still mum on 'Jeff Gannon'

http://www.libertythink.com/2005/03/noreen-gosch-still-mum-on-jeff-gannon_07.html

On the thursday, March 3 edition of "A Closer Look" radio program, host Michael Corbin and former NYPD detective Jim Rothstein, who have known Noreen Gosch for several years, confirmed that as late as that morning she had refused to confirm or deny her belief that the man known as "Jeff Gannon" is indeed her son, Johnny Gosch. Gosch was kidnapped an espionage/sex-slavery ring at age 12 in 1982 and briefly made visited his mother in 1997.

LISTEN.
http://www.4acloserlook.com/realaudio/030305a-rothstein.ram

[burn the bush]

40. Holy SHIT I didn't know that Paul Bishop had shown back up!

I gotta go see exactly which one Bishop is but he is involved in the Franklin coverup and he disapeared. He was arrested in Florida with child porn according th this radio show! I gotta go find out what I can but he was either one of the kids or one of the investigators who gave Mrs Gosch info, then disapeared. I think his being back is recent. I'm gonna go see what I can find out.
Click on the listen link to the poster that I am replying to.

[intheflow]

41. Hi, BtheB

I know Paul Bishop has been discussed here already. Since you are a contributing member, maybe you could use the search tool to see what's already been posted about him in these Wrinkles threads? Seems like we're getting a lot of duplicate info from people just joining us. We happy to have you with us, but the threads run the risk of becoming repetitive.

Thanks. :hi:

[burn the bush]

44. I'm sorry that I haven't followed your rules

However the threads are now very numerous. Which I have read them all but my brain may have missed some things. I have noticed that some of you complain if someone asks or says something that you feel irrelevant, already discussed, or sending the discussion off in the wrong direction. We then get the standard reply as I have.

However if you look at all 13 threads of info....only about 1 thread worth actually contains info. The rest is comprised of all the hellos and you are so wonderfuls. So I am sorry if you don't like my post, but I myself would like to see the chit chat taken out or quit making comment when someone repeats something that you feel has been thourougly discussed.

Sorry to rant but I have noticed that some people have had to delete their post so that they don't feel like an idiot for "posting the wrong thing" That's not right. There are over 6500 members posting. Nobody is wrong to add their comment.

Having said that I am sorry that I have posted incorrectly in the Gannon wrinkles thread. I am now afraid to post here. So I won't.

[intheflow]

46. I wasn't criticizing you.

If I had been criticizing, I would have given you the :grr: not the :hi:.

I was honestly trying to give you a helpful suggestion. Lighten up.

[burn the bush]

59. I'm sorry, I don't want to fight. I've just seen you give several people

the same "friendly" suggestion and at timees complaining about the posters making you all so mad coz they repeat stuff or are taking the investigation into the wrong direction. That takes a little of the freindly feel out of it. Also have seen people post "whats that got to do with anything?" Just in a shitty way and clearly in a superior tone. And clearly intimidating the poster.
I was actually going to say something about it before it even happened to me, but decided to let it go. I don't know if you are the person or one of the persons that I have seen posting it or not. After 13 threads you see it occur repeatedly but I didn't pay much attention to if it was the same people over and over or not. I just wanted to remind everyone not to spend 90 percent of the posts on bullshit then bitch about someone else wasting space on the thread because a group of five or six feel they have completed that part of the discussion. Perhaps a board that is not open would be better?

I've noticed a lot of psst psst private messaging going on which in effect is like you have a private board anyway. I've never participated in one, by I was under the assumption that boards did not have to be open to all. I am not sure about that. You might want to check into that if you need to have such tight control on your discussion.

[Andy_Stephenson]

61. We are all a little on the edge over this topic.

I for one am glad you posted. The threads covering this topic are huge and at times hard to follow. But again we need all the people we can get researching it. Several heads are always better than 1.

Andy

[St. Benedict]

64. We need all the help...

we can get, so nobody should mind a little repetitive info.

This is a complex case, and not very many people are EVEN AWARE OF IT YET. So, it behooves us to post the links to educate those who are just coming to this story.

[seemslikeadream]

70. Some information is being banned from this discussion

I have asked for an explanation but am still waiting for a response.

Three links that have been posted at DU for years are now deleted for the first time when posted in these threads.

[Andy_Stephenson]

88. which ones?

please pm them to me.

[merh]

85. Hey burn the bush - don't worry about the small stuff!

Thank you for your posts. :hug:

I appreciate your posts and hope you continue to give us your imput. No comment is too silly, no question too small, no repost too redundant for me. There have been so many threads, it's hard to keep up with it all and I find myself asking questions I know were asked in other threads. I rather liked the investigative skills of Columbo over Sherlock, he seemed wrinkled, disorganized and asked silly questions, but he was very keen and clever. I would rather our threads be like that than staunch and factual and disciplined.

The chit chat has been our way to relieve the anxieties that have come with this topic and our queries. Sleep has not been my best friend lately and I believe many hear have that same problem.

Again, please continue to add your perspective! :hug:

[truth2power]

123. Hey, merh! Thanks for that.

Not to get OT here, but it needs to be said. I have been following these "wrinkle" threads closely but I seldom go back to previous threads because of being on dial-up.

Not to make that the excuse for everything, but could everyone please understand, that if one is going back to look for something, it takes forever for a 200+ post thread to load and then to search for some bit of information. Sometimes, when I click back and forth too many times my computer locks up. I'm working on budgeting for parts to build an upgrade (with a friend's help).

Not to whine....accessing information is difficult when you have to wait.....and wait.... So, dropping in a link when someone has missed something is greatly appreciated. thanks. :-)

[merh]

133. Let me know if I can help you in any way. I have that same problem

at home, dial up! It is nerve racking as hell to try to pop from thread to thread so I know what you mean.

Like I said, just let me know if I can help! :hug:

[flyarm]

45. he was arrested in jan in virginia

this was posted either in thread 1 or 2 i believe...

noreen confirmed it was him to andy!



http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab5.cfm?newsid=1387...


Police arrest two on child porn charges:

A complaint about excessive comings and goings of teenage boys at a Chantilly house led, this week, to the arrest of two Fairfax County men for child pornography offenses.

Richard Evans, of Annandale, and George Bishop, of Chantilly, who co-manage a literary Web site, were both arrested by Fairfax County Police on Friday, Jan. 28.

Police started investigating Bishop, 46, after they received a complaint that he was allegedly inviting teenage boys to come to his house, to drink alcohol and to take illegal narcotics.

On Jan. 7, Detective Peter Charles, of the Fairfax County Police Department, served Bishop with a search warrant at his home at 4156 Pleasant Meadow Court in Chantilly.

http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab5.cfm?newsid=1387...


When no statutory definition for a term exists, the first fallback in all courts is to consult


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0105/204043.html

Two Charged With Making Teen Porn Video
Tuesday February 01, 2005 10:02am




Fairfax, Va. (AP) - Two men were charged with making child pornography Monday after police found an explicit video in one man's home.

George Bishop, 46, of Chantilly, and Richard Evans, 66, of Annandale, videotaped at least one victim, a 16-year-old boy, Fairfax County (website - news) police said.

Detectives searched Bishop's home and found the tape after receiving a complaint that he was allowing teenage boys to drink and use drugs.

Bishop and Evans were both being held at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.


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Check this GEORGE PAUL BISHOP bit


From Mrs. Gosch's article:

April 1983, six months after the kidnapping of my son, a young man identifying himself as George Paul Bishop contacted me by phone.
......
Shortly after that visit, Paul Bishop or Robert LaVeck vanished without a trace. What happened to Paul Bishop, we have never been able to discover. Paul used to call me “Mom.” He was a young person in his twenties and I sometimes wonder, had he been used in some manner by the very element that took my son? Was he sent here to share with me the threads of truth, which would unfold later? It was years before the CIA was revealed as a part of this problem of missing children in our country and the world.

From the recent child pornography arrests:

Richard Evans, of Annandale, and George Bishop, of Chantilly, who co-manage a literary Web site, were both arrested by Fairfax County Police on Friday, Jan. 28.

Police started investigating Bishop, 46, after they received a complaint that he was allegedly inviting teenage boys to come to his house, to drink alcohol and to take illegal narcotics.

[Donailin]

56. He was arrested in Virginia in January

Not Florida. He and another guy were arrested for allowing teens to party at his house, some child porn was found including pictures of kids dressed in leather and such. Noreen Gosch has already confirmed it's the same George paul Bishop.

Quite a coincidence.

[St. Benedict]

65. Links to George Paul Bishop arrests in Virginia in February 2005

with photos included here:

http://www.total411.info/2005/02/franklin-cover-up-figure-arrested-on.html

http://www.timescommunity.com/site/tab5.cfm?newsid=13877045&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=506096&rfi=6

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. Thank you for posting. :) Here's a re-airing of an interview with Noreen

Gosch that is now on archive at Mysteries Of The Mind. It was originally aired on June 17, 2004. According to Alex, the host of the show, he will be re-airing shortly another interview he had with her on June 22, 2004.

http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2005/archives200503.htm

Windows Media Player:
http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/ca25win25003/archives_2004/MOM20050303.wma/play.asx

MP3 Stream
http://www.freedomandtrust.com/mp3_metafiles/march_05/mar_03_05.m3u

MP3 Download
http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/ca25web26000/archives_2005/MOM20050303.mp3/play

[EFerrari]

53. Bingo.

Did you notice, "my good friend, David Corn". This is not just an ideopath ranting, imo.

[Andy_Stephenson]

54. David Corn is a liberal...

no?

[Donailin]

58. He's the editor of the Nation

he frequently appears on the Dian Reem show on NPR on Fridays, he represents the liberal voice.

[bin.dare]

97. Corn has long been believed to be a CIA asset ...

... on social issues he is liberal but he has a history of pulling his punches on "national security" issues.

[Frederik]

153. Wasn't it Corn

who wrote regarding 9/11 "conspiracy theories" that "our intelligence services aren't competent enough to pull off something like that"? Thereby dismissing that possibility once and for all, and making it sound like the national security state consists only of bureaucratic pencil-pushers.

[EFerrari]

194. Ditto on stolen election; ditto on Gannongate.

But my point was, it's a strange name for him to claim as a friend in his conservative blog.

[libertypirate]

159. I did..

His tone always turned me off. I see now why

[Borgnine]

47. Oh my God.

I just discovered this whole new angle to the Gannon saga tonight, and I've read through all 13 pages, been to the Johnny Gosch site and read the mother's account, done some Google searches on the subject manner.

I feel very, very frightened. This is mind-boggling stuff.

[theearthisround]

48. Revealing Analysis of Gannon's Anderson Cooper Interview

My friends, in order to understand how revealing what I've written is, it's important you understand whats called "Eye accessing cues". Here's an excerpt from the book "Introducing NLP" which explains them very clearly.
"Its is easy to know if a person is thinking in pictures, sounds or feelings. There are visible changes in our bodies when we think in different ways. The way we think affects our bodies, and how we use our bodies affects the way we think.
What is the first thing you see as you walk through the front door of your home?
To answer that question you probably looked up and to your left. Looking up and left is how much right-handed people remember images.
Now, really get in touch with how it would feel to have velvet next to your skin.
Here you probably looked down and to your right, which is the way the majority of people get in tough with their feelings.
We move our eyes in different directions in a systematic way depending on how we are thinking. Neurological studies have shown that eye movement both laterally and vertically seems to be associated with activating different parts of the brain. These movements are called lateral eye movements (LEM) in neurological literature. In NLP they are called eye accessing cues because they are the visual cues that let us know how people are accessing information.
There is some innate neurological connection between eye movements and representational systems, for the same patters occur worldwide (with the exception of the Basque region in Spain).
When we visualize something from our past experience our eyes tend to move up and to our left. When constructing a picture from words or trying to 'imagine' something we have never seen, our eyes more up and to our right. The eyes move across and to our left for remembered sounds and across and to our right for constructed sounds. When accessing feelings, the eyes will typically go down to our right. When talking to ourselves, the eyes will usually go down left. Defocussing the eyes and staring straight ahead, 'looking into the distance', also shows visualization."
"Eye accessing cues are consistent for a person, even if they contradict this model"

Jeff Gannon fits the model exactly.

JUST TO RECAP:
Looking straight forward = Visualization
Looking up right = visual constructed images
looking up left = visual remembered images
looking right = constructed sounds
looking left = remembered sounds
looking down right = Kinesthetic (Feelings and bodily sensations)
looking down left = Auditory Digital (Internal Dialogue)

Now, here is my analysis of Gannon/Guckert's interview with Anderson Cooper, Keep in mind when he -looks right- that means he is CONSTRUCTING, CREATING, FORMING. Lies and fabrications are often constructions, creations and formations, though obviously not all constructions are lies and fabrications. Exercise your own judgment.

--All -looks X- are for Jeff Gannon ONLY--


COOPER: I spoke with Jeff Gannon earlier this evening. I started by asking him why he doesn't use his real name?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GANNON: -looks right- I use a pseudonym, because uh -looks right- my real name is very difficult to pronounce, to remember and to spell. And uh -looks right- many people who have been talking about me on television have yet to pronounce it correctly.

COOPER: But I mean, your real name is James and you used the pseudonym Jeff.

GANNON: Yes.

COOPER: How is James so much harder than Jeff?

GANNON: -looks left- No, no, I meant -looks right- my last name.

COOPER: Well, your real last name is Guckert, and (odd lower lip reaction, sort of a smirk, perhaps its not his real last name... ) the pseudonym you used is Gannon.

GANNON: Yes. -looks down right, looks right- It's easier to pronounce, to remember and to spell.

COOPER: But when you would go into the White House to get a pass for a briefing, -looks left- you would use the name James Guckert.

GANNON: -looks right- Yes, because that's uh -looks right- the name on my driver's license. (His eye cues indicate he constructed this answer, it's interesting he chose not to say it was his real name instead its just "the name on my driver's license")

COOPER: And then -- but then you would switch to Jeff Gannon to ask questions?

GANNON: -looks right- Because that is -looks right- that is the name that I do my reporting under. It's not uncommon for journalists, authors, actors, to have pseudonyms.

COOPER: There are those who have said that the reason perhaps you are using a different name is that there is stuff from your past -looks left- that you did not want people to know about or find out about.

GANNON: How I'll address that is that -looks right- uh -- I have made mistakes in my past -looks left-. And uh -looks left- these are all -looks right- of a very personal -looks right- and private nature that -looks right- have been uh -- uh -looks up left- that have been -looks right- all -looks right prolonged- brought to the surface by people who disagreed -looks right- with the question I asked at the presidential press conference several weeks ago. And -looks right- is -- the effect of this has been -looks left- that we seem -looks left- to have established a new standard for journalists in this country, where -looks right- if someone disagrees with you, -looks left- then uh -looks left- your personal life, your private life, and anything you have ever done in the past -looks left- is going to be -looks right- brought up for public inspection.

COOPER: What your critics say, though, is that while a lot of this may be politically motivated, that liberal bloggers who didn't -looks left- like the question you ask or don't like you in general -looks right- are targeting you and revealing things about your personal life, that there are legitimate questions to ask. And in fact, they say that things in your personal life in fact just point to, A, -looks up left- a certain level of hypocrisy on your own part, -looks up left- but also serious questions about the White House vetting process.

GANNON: -looks right- Well, uh, I can't speak to the White House vetting process. All I can say is that they received all of the information that was asked for, that they ask every journalist for who applies for a daily pass into the White House. -looks right- Uh, I suppose that they don't -- they aren't interested in reporters' sexual history either.

COOPER: Let me give you a chance just to respond -looks up left- to what you want to respond to. -looks down right- You had previously stated that -looks right- you had registered a number of pornographic Web sites for a private client. That's what you had said publicly. You said the sites were never activated.-looks left- A man now has -looks right- talked to "The Washington Post," who said that -looks left- you had essentially paid him -looks up left- to create some Web sites for an escort service, and you are yourself offering yourself as an escort.

GANNON: Well, -looks right- like I said, there's a lot of things being said -looks left- about me out -looks right- there. -looks right- A lot of things that uh -looks right- have -looks right- nothing to do with the reporting I have done for the last two years.

COOPER: Your critics bring up your past, that whether or not you did work as an escort -looks left- as going to your credibility, that -looks up left- you know, should somebody who perhaps -looks right- was working as an escort was getting access to the White House and being passed along through the Secret Service. Was your employer -looks left- aware of your past activities?

GANNON: Uh, -closes eyes for 1-2 seconds, looks down right?)- My employer -looks right, small smirk, lower lip quivers slightly- was never at any time -looks right- aware of anything in my past beyond -looks left- the writings I did, because, frankly, it isn't relevant to the job I was uh -looks right, closes eyes- asked to do, which was to be a reporter. (he seemed honest when he said he was "asked to do" his job, the question though is by who?)
COOPER: Was anyone at the White House aware -looks right- of your private activities?

GANNON: I would say that uh -looks left- -- I would say no, absolutely, categorically no.

COOPER: There are many questions that have been raised about whether or not -- people raising the specter that you are somehow a White House plant. Are you a White House plant? Were you asked to be there?

GANNON: Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, -looks right- how I came to be at the White House is I asked to attend a briefing. I asked the White House press office. They gave me a daily pass to get in.

COOPER: When was that?

GANNON: -looks left- I don't recall, but it was -- I think somewhere in the neighborhood of two years ago. -looks left-

COOPER: Because in -- was that for Talon News?

GANNON: At the time, it was called something else, but it -- the name was changed to Talon News shortly thereafter.

COOPER: What was it called at the time?

GANNON: It was called GOPUSA.

COOPER: So -- and that's owned by a Republican activist, Bobby Eberle?

GANNON: It's owned by Bobby Eberle.

COOPER: The first record we have now of you actually being at a White House press briefing was on February 28th, 2003, as you said, before Talon News even existed. So why were you given a White House pass?

GANNON: -looks left- I was given a White House -looks right- -- well, you will have to ask the White House that. -looks right- But -looks right- I asked to attend -looks right- the White House briefing because I was uh -looks left- -- you know, because I wanted to report on the activities there.

COOPER: But GOPUSA is not a news organization.

GANNON: Well, we were -- we were -- we had established a news division, and it was later renamed Talon News.

COOPER: Because this is news to just about everybody. You know, Talon News wasn't registered I think until, well, March 29th of 2003. I think the first articles didn't appear until April 1st. So I guess the questions that are being raised why were you at a -looks up left- -- allowed to go to a White House briefing -looks up left- if you are working -looks up left- for GOPUSA, -looks up left- which is a clearly partisan organization?

GANNON: -looks right- There are many, -looks right- many organizations, -looks right- many people that are allowed -looks right- to attend the White House briefings. I don't know the -looks left- criteria they use.

COOPER: But you weren't even publishing anything. You weren't reporting anything.

GANNON: Well, actually, I was at the time.

COOPER: When was the first article -looks down right- you ever published?

GANNON: -looks right- Well, you're uh -looks right- -- I don't know that, because I'm here in your studio here. And I don't know the answer to specific dates. All I can tell you -looks right- is that -- and frankly, all these questions about Talon News and GOPUSA, you need to ask them about that, because I don't represent them any longer.

COOPER: Yeah, we've asked them. They refuse to talk about it.

GANNON: -looks down right, looks right- Well, I mean, -looks right- they would be the ultimate authority on that.

COOPER: This liberal group, Media Matters, which I'm sure you know well about. They have been very critical about you, really looked into this probably closer than just about anybody. They say that essentially, you are not a real reporter. -looks left prolonged- And it's not even a question of being an advocate, that you have -looks left- directly lifted large segments of your reports directly from White House press releases.

GANNON: -looks right- All my stories were -looks right- usually titled -looks left- uh "White House -looks right- Says, uh -looks right- " "President Bush Wants," -looks right- and I relied on transcripts from the briefings, I relied on press releases -looks left- that were sent to the press for the purpose -looks left- of accurately portraying what the White House believed or wanted.

COOPER: But using the term "reporting" implies some sort of vetting, some sort of research, some sort of -- I mean, that's called faxing or Xeroxing, if you are just lifting transcripts and putting them into an article.

GANNON: If I am communicating to my readers exactly what the White House believes on any certain issue, that's reporting to them an unvarnished, unfiltered version of what they believe.

COOPER: Did you receive information from the White House that others didn't get?

GANNON: -looks left- Absolutely not.

COOPER: So there was an article in which you interviewed Ambassador Joe Wilson, and you implied that you had seen a CIA classified document in which Valerie Plame...

GANNON: I didn't do that at all. -looks right- I didn't do that at all. If you read the question, and I provided uh -- my article was actually a transcript of my conversation with Ambassador Wilson -- I made reference to a memo. And this...

COOPER: How did you know about that memo?

GANNON: Well, this memo was referred to in a "Wall Street Journal" article a week earlier.

COOPER: So that wasn't based on any information that you had been given by the White House?

GANNON: I was given no special information by the White House or by anybody else, for that matter.

COOPER: You have been very clear that you believe this is politically motivated. And I think just about everyone probably agrees with that, that you asked that question, it was a softball, and liberal bloggers went after you to find out what they could in the public domain about you. But isn't that -- and you say that's unfair. Isn't that -- aren't those the same techniques that you yourself used as a reporter that sort of -- to publish innuendo, to publish advocacy-driven, politically motivated reports?

GANNON: Well, I don't see it that way. But what was -- what's been done to me is far in excess of what has ever been done to any other journalist that I could remember. My life has been turned inside out and upside down. And, again, it makes us all wonder that if someone disagrees with you, that is now your personal life fair game? And I'm hoping that fair-minded people will stand up and say that what's been done to me is wrong, and that -- that people's personal lives have no impact on their ability to be a journalist, you know.-looks right- Why should my past prevent me from having a future?

COOPER: Appreciate you being with us. Jeff Gannon, thanks very much.

GANNON: Thanks so much.

[Catherine Vincent]

83. I appreciate your analysis on the Cooper/Gannon interview!

But you didn't mention the constant blinking. Anything on that? Or do you think it was the lighting in the stuido? When I have time, I will go back and look at it because during the interview there was one scene that he saw someone in that studio that he had to do a triple take. At least that's what it looked like to me. I'll get back to you and let you know exactly where I saw this.

[theearthisround]

106. Thanks for your kind words, About the constant blinking...

Unlike eye accessing cues, blinking doesn't tell you much about how the person is thinking (visually, auditory, kinesthetically). Blinking more reflects someones emotional state, lots of rapid blinking would indicate nervousness/hyperness/shock etc.

[Catherine Vincent]

111. Okay, I just watched the Cooper/Gannon video (yet again :-))

From your post....>>COOPER: This liberal group, Media Matters, which I'm sure you know well about. They have been very critical about you, really looked into this probably closer than just about anybody. They say that essentially, you are not a real reporter. -looks left prolonged- And it's not even a question of being an advocate, that you have -looks left- directly lifted large segments of your reports directly from White House press releases.<<

It was when Anderson Cooper was speaking and you see the split screen of Gannon. It was right after Cooper was saying that you're not a real journalist (fast forward to the 8:45 mark. He looks to his left and then looks again, the third time he looks and frowns. Do you think there was someone there to intimidate him or was he looking at some woman that looked attractive to him or something?

Btw, the videos from mediamatters on quicktime were much clearer than windows media player.

[theearthisround]

151. Thoughts

I just watched the part you were talking about. I noticed a sort of frown, he seemed frustrated. He furrowed his brow on the third look left as if looking at something and saying "whats that". I don't think it was someone intimidating him, he seemed to just be curious.

[Catherine Vincent]

187. Okay. I just wanted to get a few opinions on what they read into it.

Thanks.

[Andy_Stephenson]

49. I think it is time to ask Mr Biden a few

questions in regards to the wrinkles. Anyone want to write them up? I'll call him and ask the questions.

I wonder where he met JDG? What were the circumstances?

Jesus effing christ...why am I so drawn to this mess? There is so much more than meets the eye I know...but so much less as well.

I woke up from a bad dream about this, this morning...What are we missing?

I would love for Mr. Guckert to address us on his blog. I know he is reading us. Why doesn't he say something?

I should really stop drinking coffee this early in the AM>

[EFerrari]

55. Pass the pot over here.

Seven cats say I shouldn't be awake -- or maybe they just want to be fed :)

Okay, still trying to digest the blog. And on my way to read the NA article on JDG and Biden.

I think one of the reasons JDG is compelling is he seems to be not under the complete control of the Cabal.

[Andy_Stephenson]

57. You know what is scary...

you're right. Not only that...I don't think he can be controled by anyone.


:donut:

[Ferry Fey]

60. Background on phrases

Yes, the "drink the koolaid" refers to the Jonestown People's Temple. But it's recently become a popular phrase, as a search at Google Groups sorted by date will show. I guess in this case we probably want to avoid a similar phrase, "fall on his sword." ;)

Graff, the blogger who just got the White House pass, just referred to the room being built over the swimming pool in his blog on the event, so that's what the reference was. No reason to think it is something deeper.

St. Benedict, very sharp eye for the date lag in the Greg Stevens reporting.

In a comment attached to the Americablog March 7 "Good Night Ken" item, poster "sleuthfoot" remarks that R. Gregory Stevens had worked at one point for Roger Stone's firm, Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.
Sleuthfoot says, "With an associate like Roger Stone, Stevens likely knew a lot of the dirty tricks deployed in smear campaigns worldwide.

Several at dKos have said that Roger & Lydia Stone are likely suspects for the CBS Fake Doc Debacle ("The Unknown Man" and "Lucy Ramirez").

It's safe to assume that the recently departed R. Gregory Stevens knew about ratfucking worldwide, and details of the actions of Stone and Rove.

(Be careful not to confuse RGS with GOP consultant Greg Stevens, who produced the Willie Horton ad)

So there are two Greg Stevens in Washington politics? Or, I guess, one still?

[understandinglife]

75. Yes. That's what I was thinking before posting #2. (nt)

[St. Benedict]

99. Not under control of the Cabal?

Funny - I have the exact opposite impression. To me he seems to be under COMPLETE control of the Cabal and is dutifully filling his assigned mission.

I would venture a guess that Noreen has known exactly where her son is for quite some time now, and perhaps even funnels him $$$ from her site.

[EFerrari]

197. Interesting.

I thought so, too at first. But given all the different players in this saga, I don't any more. If two different camps thought they owned him for example, that gives him wiggle room. And that's just spec on my part.

[elehhhhna]

71. Please, I mean no offense, but

my gaydar starts pinging on Biden. Always has. Not making a value judgement--but bear in mind these bigshots have wives & children and stand to lose everything--particuliarly if the NeoFundies find out.

[Andy_Stephenson]

89. Well

I totally undestand that statement. No flames from me fer sure.

[libertypirate]

115. Can you provide a gaydar list?

Anyone else ping your gaydar?

[Catherine Vincent]

82. Andy,

For some odd reason, I don't think there is anything there in regards to the comment JDG made about Biden. I think he probably was introduced to him once at some press meeting or something and JDG expected Biden to remember that they met. I don't know. Remember he called David Corn a good friend and Corn reported in his blog that they are not.

I would love for JDG to address us on his blog too. I did send him an email when he first got it going and I mentioned that I am a DUer. He talks about everything else on his blog, why can't he mention the wrinkle threads and be done with it? But knowing him, he probably likes us talking about him.

[gardenista]

87. I really think the Biden thing is a diversion.

It means that there's something big he's holding on a Republican in high office. It's a signal to the Repubs that he's still playing on their team, but he's not afraid to name names and bring down somebody big. However, he's hoping that it'll light a fire under somebody, and perhaps get them to pay up so that he can get outta dodge before this all blows up in his face.

For whatever reason, Biden was a convenient, easy target for Gannon, whether or not it's true.

I know your intentions are good, but my advice is not to do Matt Drudge's work for him.

[libertypirate]

119. Then don't do his work for him....

I find some of these posts quite odd...

Read the content not the spin and it becomes pretty clear what Gannon's intentions are...

Don't make assumptions:

"It's a signal to the Repubs that he's still playing on their team"

"get them to pay up so"
This is an out of left field remark. Does he at all seem materialistic?

Don't change the subject:
"I know your intentions are good, but my advice is not to do Matt Drudge's work for him."

[Domitan]

62. Albert Pike: how relevant is his legacy or legend?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike

Historical Facts:
a) Confederacy General: "Pike was commissioned as a brigadier general on November 22, 1861, and given a command in the Indian Territory. With Gen. Ben McCullough, Pike trained three Confederate regiments, comprised mainly of Native American troops of the "civilized tribes," whose loyalty to the Confederacy was variable. Although victorious at the Battle of Pea Ridge (Elkhorn Tavern) in March, Pike's unit was defeated later in a counterattack, after falling into disarray. Also, as in the previous war, Pike came into conflict with his superior officers, at one point drafting a letter to Jefferson Davis complaining about his direct superior.

After Pea Ridge, Pike was faced with charges that his troops had scalped soldiers in the field. Maj. Gen. Thomas C. Hindman also charged Pike with mishandling of money and materiel, ordering his arrest. Both these charges were later found to be considerably lacking in evidence; nevertheless Pike, facing arrest, escaped into the hills of Arkansas, sending his resignation from the Confederate Army on July 12. He was at length arrested on November 3 under charges of insubordination and treason, and held briefly in Warren, Texas, but his resignation was accepted on November 11 and he was allowed to return to Arkansas."
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b) Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite Freemasons:
"He had in the interim joined a Masonic lodge and become extremely active in the affairs of the organization, being elected Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite's Southern Jurisdiction in 1859, also that year having received an honorary Ph.D. from Harvard. He remained Sovereign Grand Commander for the remainder of his life (a total of 32 years), devoting a large amount of his time to perfection of the rituals of the order. Notably, he published a book called Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in 1872, of which there were several subsequent editions."
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c) Burial in Washington D.C.: "Pike died in Washington, D.C. and was buried at Oak Hill Cemetery (against his wishes—he had left instructions his body be cremated). In 1944 his remains were moved to the House of the Temple, headquarters of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite." How did a "treasonous" Confederate get the honours to be buried in the USA Capitol's sacred grounds?

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Conspiracy Theory Speculation
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm

Speculation about Albert Pike's role as harbinger and manipulator of the Illuminati/secret society's takeover to bring about the New World Order stemmed correspondence with Giuseppe Mazzini on August 15, 1871 (which has yet to be proven to exist)
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

"Letter's First World War":
"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"Letter's Second World War":
"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"Letter's Third World War":
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."


Now can the DU researchers here verify how far back these alleged letters were discovered? Or are they to be deemed ignoble forgeries?

[humanriteswritlarge]

81. I still have my doubts

I confess that I am new to DU, but St. Benedict's postings were so full of conspiracy stuff, I wonder why he didn't connect SpongeBob to something.

I am very interested in the Gannon/Guckert posts and have followed them closely, so I am not as skeptical about a connection to the WH there. But this is a helluva lot to digest.

[imaginary girl]

101. Welcome to DU humanrwl!

I think we all make peace with our varying levels of acceptance in our own ways. I prefer to think of info as a puzzle piece -- if I don't know where it belongs -- or if it belongs -- I set it aside to see if it will become relevant later. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't (or hasn't yet). Personally I think the varying levels of scepticism/acceptance are one of DU's strong points ...

[St. Benedict]

107. Ah.. that was so funny...

....I forgot to laugh..

Sponge Bob, indeed!

I wouldn't exactly call Skolnick "conspiracy stuff." He's been around for almost 50 years and his info comes from court records.

And the Franklin cover up/homo/sex slave trade ring is also well documented in the court record.

[Moosepoop]

103. Another J/G identity?

This has been bothering me for awhile now, so I'm just going to throw this out there -- I think there's a chance that another pseudonym/identity that may have been used by Jeff Gannon is "Gabe Caggiano".
I've been researching Gabe Caggiano ever since he wrote the article "Gannon Becomes Grist for the Media Mill" in the Montgomery County Sentinel.
I think they may be the same person, although this pseudonym does not share the same J/G initials as the others.
There are numerous "little things" that make me think this, but what got my attention in the first place was the pictures of Gabe that accompanied a 1997 article about him in the Austin Chronicle.
The article was titled "TV Terrorist" and detailed Gabe's then-recent firing from a Texas news station, as well as his flamboyant and controversial reputation. There are pictures of his being grabbed by the Secret Service during a pushy attempt to question Hillary Clinton, who was First Lady at the time (1996). This was his second brush with the Secret Service, the first being at an airstrip trying to interview Colin Powell. That time he was removed from the tarmac by the SS agents.
There are 3 face shots of him in the 1996 scuffle with SS agents. I've saved the images along with some widely known pics of J/G, and they look like the same guy to me, just with hair at the time. Could someone please instruct me on how to post images from the "My Pictures" folder in my Windows XP program to this forum??? I've got them saved as JPEG images. I'd really like to post the Gabe/Jeff photos side by side in order for others to see what I see, and tell me if I'm crazy.
If they turn out to be worth pursuing, I'll post the rest of the stuff that I've gathered on Caggiano to see how it fits with other scenarios being discussed here.
One thing that caught my eye was Fooj's posts about the young J/G probably having a cocky, abrasive persona, a need for the spotlight and a general "jackass" personality... the "TV Terrorist" article and a lot of Gabe's posts on various forums give exactly that impression. Also, Gabe's age would be 47 right now, which matches up with one of the J/G identities.
I've posted this theory in a couple of other places, but it never went anywhere. Some of the problems I've had with my own theory are more explainable now with the things being posited on these Wrinkle threads. Don't know if I'm just imagining things... but I don't think so. Again, could someone instruct me on how to post these pictures? I'm very new here.

[Catherine Vincent]

108. Didn't someone say that he lived in Texas at one point in time?

When you are in my pictures, if you look to your left you will see where it says "publish this file on the web". Click on that and it will bring up the internet wizard. Follow the steps. If you are logged into one of your free email accounts in yahoo, it will put it in a briefcase. Once you get the id in the briefcase, you can convert it in photobucket.com.

I probably didn't explain it correctly. Can someone help him out? I'd like to see those pics!

[shadowlight]

109. You have to post them

on the web and then provide a path to the pics in your post.
eg: http: // www. democraticunderground. com/ gabecaggiano1.jpg
edited so my example path shows as text not link

[in_cog_ni_to]

116. and to provide a path, right click on pic and copy/paste the url that

you will find under "properties."

You will have to find a place to host your pics online.

[libertypirate]

120. If you can't get it done email them to me....

and I will put them up...


[e-mail]

[St. Benedict]

122. Another identity and Gosch/Gannon's hair...

Gannon/Gosch is shaving his head, not naturally bald.

Love to see the picture of this Gabe fellow with hair.

Gotta love this one. That's Gannon/Gosch in the fourth photo down with Bush rubbing his head.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/smoking-scalp.html

[shadowlight]

126. I think it was discovered

that that is someone else. Not Gannon.

[troubleinwinter]

146. I don't believe that is 'Gannon'. It's an unknown person.

Have any backup that it is 'Gannon'?

[St. Benedict]

185. Bush rubbing Gannon's head

Yes, it is certainly Gosch/Gannon, and has been identified as such on other websites.

Gosch/Gannon had been in the White House Press Room for two years, and this photo appears in blogs back in May 2004.

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_juliusblog_archive.html#108300556134138351

It would not be at all unusual for Bush to know him and shake his hand, having seen him for two years in the Press Room. (Perhaps you can email Jeff Wells and ask him what the date and occasion of that photo op were.)

All you have to do is use your own eyes in this case. Note the height (shorter than Bush) JG is 5'9" acording to his porn profile, note the full lower lip, the shaved head, the cleft chin, the pointed ears.

Here's more confirmation:
"A confidential source of Ted's has - in a conversation with Ted yesterday afternoon - given a 100% confirmation that Jeff Gannon/Jim Guckert is very definitely Johnny Gosch."

http://www.rense.com/general63/100.htm

[Catherine Vincent]

199. No. I don't think that is him. Someone saying it on their blog isn't proof

The freepers would have posted that pic (of bushie touching his head) all over their website if that was him. Just my opinion.

[earth mom]

135. Wow, this is interesting....

First things first: Welcome to DU! :hi:

Now...Two comments on your post:

1. Does anyone know Noreen Gosch maiden name? Could it be Caggiano?

2. To upload your pictures go to photobucket.com for a free account and then post the link to your photos here as soon as you can!

[Catherine Vincent]

142. Is this it?

http://weeklywire.com/ww/08-11-97/austin_pols_feature2.html

[kk897]

160. Wow, I was looking into this myself about a week ago or so.

I think there's some mention of it a few wrinkles back...

[s-cubed]

110. A suggestion and a question:

Suggestion: for whomever starts a new thread, please add that there are synopses of the earlier threads at the demopedia link. Perhaps this will encourage people to read those, and be able to join a little more informed. I do like the free form nature of this discussion. It allows for connections to be made that might otherwise be missed, but it does make the threads very long and hard to follow.

Question: We think that gannon had a "friend" in the wh, who arranged for his special treatment. How likely is it that his services whould be simultaneously available to more than one person in the wh? Wouldn't jealosy enter here? I can see how gannon could have hooked up with many others in DC at various times, but I wonder about exclusivity. Also, there was the report of "entertaining" Blair, which was soon after he started in the wh. Would he be "offered" to Blair as a courtesy, which could lead to blackmail? Or am I reading too much into "entertaining"?

A BIG HUG TO ANDY! FROM HARVEY AND DUNKIRK TOO! :grouphug:

[St. Benedict]

117. Jealousy..?

Presidential models are passed around by definition.

Jealousy would not factor into the equation.

[bin.dare]

112. GJ Working Hypothesis without the sex, porn, pedophilia, etc

... this is the short version, i will flesh it out if anyone shows interest.

Lets hypothesize that:

--- in late 1970's an elite training school for kids was initiated by CIA
--- this covert program is primarily supported by the pentagon
--- "graduated" recruits infiltrate organizations, groups, companies, ...
--- recruits direct and lead organizations and not just passively report
--- depending on their natural inclinations, recruits could be honeypots, assasins, campaign managers, etc

--- recruits built up the RW militias in the 1980's and 90's
--- recruits were involved in the OKC bombing
--- recruits assasinated Les Aspin

--- johnny gosch was recruited (with consent of father) into this school
--- he graduated in 1997 and visited his mother to re-assure her
--- there are two separate idividuals (both recruits) fronting as JG/...
--- johnny gosch is the younger of the two JG/...

--- (there is more but doesn't this sound familiear ??)

[s-cubed]

121. The J Guckerts don't have to be recruited. Their existence

is enough to confuse things.

By the way, did Mordalar go to the library yesterday? Anyone heard from her since?

[Catherine Vincent]

124. I think she was heading over to the library sometime today.

Maybe we'll get a report tonite.

[fromBrooklyn]

127. Indeed, I'm goin' nuts waiting for the word.

[jeanarrett]

128. Someone mentioned in the thread yesterday (11 or 12?)

that they had heard "somewhere" about him being a guy named "Gabriel." Can't remember who it was but was in yesterday's wrinkle.

[Catherine Vincent]

131. Did you read post #103?

Can't wait for him to post the pics!

[merh]

141. You are right, the name Gabriel was mentioned as one of his

possible aliases.

[earth mom]

129. After reading some of the Illuminati info...

I am really getting scared and worried! :scared: Looks like we can't trust anybody-and I mean anybody-anymore. What a rude and frightening awakening! I was really rooting for Kerry in 08... Now I don't know what to think or believe in...

So....after reading and thinking, thinking, thinking about all the Gannon/Guckert/Gosch info...I keep coming back to the heart of the matter. Is it all true? Is Jeff Johnny? I am SO close to believing it to be true! Which leads me to ask...if it is so...what are Gannon/Goschs motives now? He is playing it too shrewdly to be only or solely motivated by fear. I'd say beyond a shadow of a doubt he is also motivated by MONEY-BIG MONEY. Money is power, but it will also keep him safe. I have no doubt that he is willing to tell his story, but he'll want a LOT of money up front. Therefore, going on Oprah is highly unlikely because she doesn't pay people for their appearances; most people reap the rewards of an appearance on her show after the fact. Since Gannons story is the only thing he has to sell...he won't spill it for just a few bucks or for free. Corporate media is not gonna touch the story, nor will shows like Inside Edition etc. Gannons story is literally too hot to handle! I'd say someone like Larry Flint or maybe Hugh Hefner are the only ones that would cough up the dough to pay for the interview.

That said, I almost feel like deleting all that I just wrote because if it's all true, I fear for Jeff/Jimmy/Johnnys' safety and have compassion for the boy he once was-who may still live inside him. I am SO rooting for Jeff/Johnny to come out swinging against the f-ers that have done this to him and will be among the first to celebrate their exposure!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

132. "...she doesn't pay people for their appearances; "

Not that you know of.:-) But I don't want to know what you are reading because I :scared: easily.

[earth mom]

136. The links that flyarm posted upthread....

and it's all giving me the heebie jeebies....:scared:

[Catherine Vincent]

147. I plan to order "The Franklin Coverup"

But it will probably take me a while to read it.

[St. Benedict]

130. Gannon/Gosch has tapes....

From TBRNews.org:

"From Russia but not with love…

Note: During his tenure in the White House, Mr. Guckert carried a vox-operated small tape recorder. He kept this in his pocket and it automatically recorded any conversation he wished, both in side and outside of the White House. Guckert also kept a journal listing his clients by name and occupation. Apparently, he is now outraged that he was excluded from the inner circles and decided not only to make money with his adventures but to get even for what he considered cruel and unusual behavior to him. If these tapes are played in a public forum, as we understand they will be , it should lend considerable credence to the publication of his records. There will be a wave of terror engulfing the Metropolitan Club in Washington. come publication date. "


March 2, 2005
by Dimitri Sokolov
Moscow Gazette

The now-notorious Gannon, a well-known American homosexual pornographer and also a close worker with the Republicans in the White House, is revealing everything about the powerful ring of homosexuals that now are controlling the President Bush.

Gannon, made many secret tape recordings while he was a “front” reporter for the right-wing Republicans at the White House. These tapes, which clearly show the influence of powerful perverts inside the most advanced of the American political circles, were made secretly by Gannon over a two year period.

With the assistance of a literary agent, Gannon has offered these most revealing and very private conversations, to a Russian publishing company’s offices in Malaysia and it is confidentially stated that a very dynamic and revealing book will be produced in the coming future!"

Full text:

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1427.htm

This was mentioned by Rense on his interview with Skolnick last night.

[in_cog_ni_to]

139. Did you see this? They are offering a $20,000 reward for Gannon sex

information. :) I wonder if they've had any takers?

For the article. As I said in the Rense thread, if this is true, Gannon is a dead man. UNLESS he has made a bunch of copies and shared them with people he trusts, like his mom and an attorney who just happens to be a Democrat..

[St. Benedict]

148. $20,000 reward was...

..originally posted on Kelly Ann Collins' blog.

www.kellyanncollins.com

[in_cog_ni_to]

154. ah. I see. Those boobs look so real!

NOT! :7

[theearthisround]

144. Who is Gannon / Guckert / Gosch and why isn't he dead yet? Analysis...

With all the connections to the ruling class you would think "Guckert" would be #1 on the elites "suicide" list. Yet its been over 2 weeks now and hes hasn't "suicided". The elite has hundreds of thousands of mind controlled slaves who would "suicide" him at a moments notice (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for.html and http://www.whale.to/b/sp/deep.html) If he was such a threat to the ruling class they wouldn't hesitate to "suicide" him. Just look at Gary Webb and Hunter S. Thompson. The elite are so arrogant, delusional and psychopathic they would fire bomb his whole neighborhood if thats what it took to shut him up. Now we hear "Gannon, a well-known American homosexual pornographer and also a close worker with the Republicans in the White House, is revealing everything about the powerful ring of homosexuals that now are controlling the President Bush." (http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1427.htm)
This whole thing wreaks of disinformation. It seems like another Rathergate style Karl Rove trick. Gannon just releases some information which is discredited then when you mention pedophiles run the country its "ohh we know all about that, dont you know its been discredited? nut job!" Its nothing new to those of us who know our history that the white house was and is blackmailed through the roof by a powerful ring of homosexuals. They call themselves "the illuminated ones", "the Illuminati" (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/bloodlines.html). You don't get to have power unless they have mountains of dirt on you. You step out of line and the front page of the Washington Times reads "Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensares VIPs with Reagan, Bush - 'Call Boys' took midnight tour of the White House". Play your part and you get to own the paper which prints the headline, wonderful isn't it?
I pray Gannon isn't an victim of "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave" (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for.html) but at this point it appears they have their slithery tentacles all over it. Time will tell...


Psalms 2
1. Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?
2. The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One.
3. "Let us break their chains," -- "and cast from us their cords!"

[understandinglife]

145. Want to see lameness at its finest; check the SS response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3239280

That 'lid' wouldn't cover a waste basket, let alone the vast trash heap that WebDems began detecting in Feb 2004.

Peace.

[understandinglife]

152. Americablog: "Secret Service lies today about GannonGuckert ...

....White House access":

http://www.americablog.org/

Peace.

[in_cog_ni_to]

157. I expected nothing more from those jerks.

Hi agent mike! :hi:

They couldn't very well admit that they know Gannon is a male prostitute who was servicing the men in the WH, now could they? Hell, he was probably servicing THEM, the SS, for all we know.

[earth mom]

150. Caggiano story on Gannon March 8, 2005...and more!

Gannon says he's really no Michelangelo

March 08, 2005

By Gabe Caggiano

He may be down, but Jeff Gannon, the now infamous former White House reporter whose nude pictures have appeared online in a gay escort service Web site, said he's not out.

Gannon drew the ire, some say for little good cause, when he tossed a soft-ball question at President Bush during a press briefing recently and he compounded it by misquoting key Democrats.

It was another case, many thought, of Bush buying off the media.

Gannon says it's not true, and the man whose real name is James Dale Guckert, said he's content for the time being to keep a low profile while hopefully the story about him loses energy and interest wanes.

Gannon told me he wasn't surprised when with much glee Bill Maher announced Michelangelo's "David" will be renamed "Jeff Gannon." What did irritate him is why there is still speculation about how he got into the White House briefings.

http://www.thesentinel.com/330275248922322.php
------
TV Terrorist

By Lee Nichols

AUGUST 11, 1997:  On July 25, KTBC/Channel 7 reporter Gabe Caggiano was suspended pending an internal investigation and, in accordance with station policy, was escorted out of the office building by security guards. Before he exited the newsroom, he turned to his fellow reporters and, in a MacArthurian vow, declared: "I'll be back."

But unlike the famed general, Caggiano, 39, didn't return. Instead, he was summarily dumped by KTBC three days later. If he had been right -- if he had been reinstated -- it would have been to the great consternation of many of his coworkers, as well as many of his colleagues around Austin.

Until his firing on July 28, former "Fox-7" reporter Caggiano was very likely the most hated man in Austin television journalism. A few phone calls here and there can certainly make one believe so -- very quickly, one finds colleagues who complain that he is rude, unprofessional, sexist, belligerent, hot-tempered, and more than a little scary. Channel 7 reporters, former co-workers, journalists from rival stations, even Austin correspondents from non-competing stations in other cities -- all nearly fell over themselves in rushing to complain about Caggiano. And all, except one, asked to remain confidential, often citing a fear of physical violence from Caggiano.

Ridiculous nonsense, says Caggiano, but the volatile TV reporter's temper was approaching legendary -- even by his own admission -- and his penchant for screaming tantrums angered a long list of his fellow reporters, as well as his superiors. Incident piled upon incident, and Fox-7 management took notice. Finally, after questions were raised regarding the impartiality of Caggiano's coverage of possible gubernatorial candidate Garry Mauro, Channel 7 last month decided that it was through with its controversial reporter.

http://weeklywire.com/ww/08-11-97/austin_pols_feature2.html

[Catherine Vincent]

155. The guy does look like Gannon but I don't think it's him.

Gabe Caggiano also starred in some tv shows. But he is arrogant like our guy. Check out this post from a message board I found:

"Hi,
This is Gabe Caggiano himself. You know what?
I don't deny being a hard charging perfectionist
because my first job was at a Boston TV station where people like Mike Taibbi,John Dennis

Bill O'reilly and Paula Zahn worked and there was
always a standard of journalistic excellence to
adhere to. I always get hired because I work hard.
On the personal side, I'm not going to debate
"ankle biters" who don't like me. Most of them
don't like themselves.

Have I made mistakes I regret? Sure. Have I paid
a price? I can't tell you how many jobs I've lost
at the last minute after a News Director reads
the "TV Terrorist" piece. It was a terrible
example of defamatory journalism because there was
no attribution from anyone in Austin who didn't
like me and the News Director instructed the
entire news staff to not talk to the writer of
the article. So no one with anything good to say
was allowed to.

I should have sued, but took the high road and
walked away. And it was the wrong decision. That
piece was written in 1997. It is now 2005. Anyone
care to cut me a little slack here?
By the way, that News Director in Austin was fired for getting a coworker pregnant and the GM
was fired for reasons that I will simply say indicate he was a less than scrupulous manager of
the stations revenue.

One last thing, boys and girls: broadcasting is
a rough business and the biggest stars like Mike
Wallace, Geraldo, Bryant Gumbel, Dan Rather and
Sam Donaldson have all been through the meat
grinder. It comes with the territory, even if you
are a small fish like me. Develop a thick skin
about it, or fold your tent and get a job at
Home Depot.

But that isn't me and no, my career isn't over.
I'm having too much fun. And to anyone I've
ever mistakenly offended, I am sorry. To those
who just like to tear others apart to feel superior, you have to live with your conscience.
And go see 'The Life Aquatic".
Life is too short to hold grudges and reflect
morbidly on the past. I got a deadline to meet,
Comprende?

Keep the faith. Gabe

[Ferry Fey]

196. Reporter screwing up a quote

"Before he exited the newsroom, he turned to his fellow reporters and, in a MacArthurian vow, declared: 'I'll be back.'"

MacArthur said, "I shall return."

It was Ahnold that said "I'll be back."

[intheflow]

156. Frustration Level/Reality Check

Can I just say how frustrated I'm getting with these Wrinkles? I feel like they've become a dumping ground for every conspiracy theory from the last 50 years. Lee Harvey Oswald, Jonestown, child abduction, CIA pedophilia rings, Hunter S. Thompson, Paul Wellstone, government mind control, Illuminati, New World Order plots at Denver's Airport, Michael Bloody Jackson! Yes, there may be something to each of these stories, but do they all pivot on Gannon? Highly doubtful! Worse, we're referencing some blogs and web sites that reference back to our research at best, and are sketchy at worst.

I'm afraid we're reading into Gannon's blog what we want to read into it, based on our perceptions from this thread (and probably DU in general). Of course everyone sees the world through their own lenses, but can we still entertain the possibility that Gannon is not Gosch? I mean, it might be that we can't find anything on Guckert because he lived underground and off the grid, like many prostitutes do, but it doesn't necessarily mean he was involved in a child porn ring or was trained to be a CIA spook. Maybe his nervousness and his obsessive posting and self-promotion is the panic of an aging call boy with no money put away for retirement, desperate to make some kind of legit name for himself so that he can bank some cash and not have to eat cat food in his old age. Maybe that's why he took the job with Talon--his lover, Bobby Eberle, told him not to worry about his fading looks, Sugar Daddy will pull some strings and get him a good job.

I know there's a lot to the Gannongate thing. I know it's mighty suspicious that a call boy with no journalistic experience could get into the WH press corp. But does that mean it's a political conspiracy, or is it just politics? Propaganda is just another political tool after all, albeit a highly unethical one. Honestly, if it weren't for nonny's photo overlays, y'all would have lost me a long time ago.

At this point everything here is all conjecture, imo. We're just spinning in circles, feeding on ourselves. I'm hanging around to see what photo mordarlar brings back, but unless it's absolutely 100% not our boy Gannon, I need to get away from these threads and get my life back.

End of rant. Phew! That felt good to get off my chest!

[troubleinwinter]

165. But where did you get this one?

"...his lover, Bobby Eberle, told him not to worry about his fading looks, Sugar Daddy will pull some strings and get him a good job."

To assert that Gannon is Eberle's lover is conjecture?

[intheflow]

168. self-delete

Accidently posted twice, see my response below.

[intheflow]

169. That's my point exactly.

I don't have any proof of that at all. But it's just as likely a scenario as any other, including that he was Rove's lover, McClellan's lover, Bush's lover, etc. (All suggestions I've read on DU.) I'm just saying we don't know how he got the job or what his actual connections are at this point. It's all speculation and conjecture.

[Kansas Wyatt]

171. That was Biden's point on Mahr.

Biden did not want to focus on the gay prostitution part, he wanted to focus on who and how Gannon got access to the President without any in depth security clearance. Especially when we are suppose to be in a time of war.

[HamdenRice]

167. I felt the same way -- But I invite you to look at this other thread ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3238821&mesg_id=3238821

In fact to everyone in the wrinkles thread, we may have a more fruitful line of inquiry. If you are getting frustrated with the Gosch angle, please help us with this other angle concerning some pretty well documented connections between prostitution in bush I and II, Iraqi false intel, and gannon propoganda.

[intheflow]

177. Interesting read.

And some fine research. Thanks, HamdenRice.

[earth mom]

173. I hear ya...

It is frustrating for all of us who have spent so much time on these threads only to find that we still have no concrete answers yet. It may be a long time before we ever know the truth.

However, isn't that what DU is all about? To question everything? To question all the bullshit that is going on in this country today?

I don't think we should leave any stone unturned in finding out exactly WHY a guy like Jeff/Jimmy/Johnny was allowed in the White House. Or WHO he is and HOW he got there. This is what the corporate media should be doing, but as we all know they have been bought and paid for and they could care less.

If we disregard some things about this case just because some people feel that those things are a little too "out there"...we may as well quit now. If there is a slight chance that something is connected then it should be brought up, examined and then proved or disproved. That's how it's done.

To do anything less is just giving in and letting the rethugs win and take over and do all the shitty things they want to do to this country and it's people aka peons. In that case there is no need for DU either.

IMO-We must KEEP ON FIGHTING and NEVER GIVE UP!

[Catherine Vincent]

174. As Al Gore said to GWBush...

"Well you don't have to get snippy about it!"

:-)

[intheflow]

175. Thanks for the smilie, cat_girl.

And the laugh. :hug:

[earth mom]

178. Snippy wasn't my intention...

just hate to see it all go down the drain and let the rethugs win once again....so they can go on to do even worse things.... :cry:

[intheflow]

180. I think cat_girl was referring to me being snippy.

And I was! I admit it! But then, that's what high frustration levels can do.

I'm glad you're still fighting. I work on fighting the religous RW as my day job, so I appreciate your willingness to keep fighting here. :hug:

[earth mom]

182. It would be easier to give up...

but I don't know if I could live with myself knowing what I do now...

Glad to know you are fighting the religious RW! That can't be easy! :hug:

[Catherine Vincent]

184. Oh please don't give up. We need you guys.

The more the merrier. I want these wrinkle threads to continue until we get more proof from Gucky/Jiggy himself.

[human survival]

176. politics IS conspiracy

intheflow wrote:

"I know there's a lot to the Gannongate thing. I know it's mighty suspicious that a call boy with no journalistic experience could get into the WH press corp. But does that mean it's a political conspiracy, or is it just politics? Propaganda is just another political tool after all, albeit a highly unethical one. Honestly, if it weren't for nonny's photo overlays, y'all would have lost me a long time ago."

conáspiráaácy (kən-`spir-ə-sē)
n.

1. An agreement between two or more people to commit an act prohibited by law or to commit a lawful act by means prohibited by law; also The crime or tort of participating in a conspiracy compare substantive crime

2. A group of conspirators



if there is something to this story AT ALL, it is by its very essence, a "political conspiracy"

i would highly suggest not letting the "political tool", of tossing the word conspiracy at any ideas that dont fit into your worldview construct, stop you from investigating any of the angles presented by people in this thread.

this Gannon situation is the tip of antarctica, forget about the iceberg.

the JeffGannon.com is awash with symbolic language and to me suggests something very sinister, and whomever we are dealing with is well aware of all of the angles being discussed here...

to cut off any area of inquiry before there is ANY solid evidence about ANYTHING is dooming this investigation before it has even started.

keep an open mind, sometimes "reality" is far stranger than fiction.

one
human?

[intheflow]

179. I'm not cutting off anyone's area of inquiry,

only expressing my personal frustration with this thread.

And I believe you can have a mind so open your brain falls out. (And that's a general "you," not you personally.)

But again, that's my own opinion. You can believe and pursue whatever lines of research you want.

[human survival]

181. and im not notting

but you also titled your thread reality check, so as a reality check i figured i would provide the definition of conspiracy to your question "But does that mean it's a political conspiracy, or is it just politics?"

i also wasnt looking for your permission/approval to research anything, in fact i was just encouraging you to research more. and i meant you personally.

and i mean everyone personally, who is still ready to use the word "conspiracy" in a negative fashion, equating it with un-reality, when political conspiracy is old as politics itself.... older even.

so in response to your reality check.... and frustration... paitience. keep studying.

one
human?

[intheflow]

186. "...political conspiracy is old as politics itself..."

True 'nuf dat! Thanks for that call back to reality. :hi:

[fooj]

188. Welcome to DU! Glad to have you aboard!

[merh]

195. Politics as usual would not have allowed anyone to get away with

going to war based on lies;
changing the reasoning for the war to "spreading democracy";
torturing of prisoners;
allowing a male prostitute to be in the WH press corp;
intimidating the press and preventing them from asking hard questions;
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!

The list can go on and on, so, no, this is not politics as usual, this is corruption and manipulation to the core, this is evil and dangerous!

This is just my effort to give you a reality check so snap out!

[HamdenRice]

170. Dupe sorry nt

[merh]

183. I took the below post out of your thread, but post it here so you

know my opinion about your research.

You lose credibility when you put nazis in your title.
Focusing on and linking all the other connections is fine and it looks like you have done some great research, though I don't know how valid all of your sources are. I do find your disparaging remarks about the our research thread to be rude and unnecessary, especially when we encouraged you to start your own and continue your focus.

If you want MSM to pay attention to your work then your nazi reference should be cut or at the very least, corrected. From what I can tell you are referencing neo-nazi ties and neo-nazis are different from "nazis". Keeping the "nazi" reference in your subject will hurt the credibility of your efforts and you don't want to look like some conspiracy loon, barking up the wrong tree, do you? (imho)

[HamdenRice]

Thanks for the advice

I don't think I can still edit the subject line. I only used "nazi" instead of "neo-nazi" because I couldn't fit neo in with all the other things I wanted to list. And Blodgett is no ordinary RWer -- he is really out there with people who have no problem calling themselves Nazis.

As for disparaging Gannon wrinkles -- where? I just said I thought we were barking up the wrong tree. That's an opinion, not a disparagement, and I think others in this thread have voiced the same frustration.

[HamdenRice]

189. delete - dupe

[merh]

193. I think you are barking up too many trees, so, what's your point?

If your opinions differ, then simply put "my opinions differ and I wanted to pursue this line of research". Why comment on ours at all? Are you trying to make your research appear more important than ours or are you just trying to feel superior? Just as I removed my post from your thread because I didn't want to start anything or "discredit" your work, I only think it is fair that I tell you that I found your statements rude and unnecessary.

[Moderator]

200. Lock... continue here (14):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3240504