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[Qanisqineq]

[Old and In the Way]

1. Let's put it this way.

If one of those AWOL soldiers in 20-30 years becomes President and starts another unjustified and immoral war...yes, I'll point out the obvious hypocrisy.

[still_one]

2. I do not make value judgements, but observations

1. This is a volunteer Army. No one is over their that didn't volunteer.

2. They saw the incompentence the during *s first term, and still supported for the second term.

3. What Kerry did in Viet Nam is irrelvant

People will pay for the consequences of their actions, this will include the soldiers and people who re-elected *, plus 50% of the people who didn't even bother to vote

In ten years people will wonder why they can't afford to send their kids to college, and where is their retirement, and I will say one sentence to them"

"Who did you vote for in 2004?"

[cry baby]

4. There aren't many who "hate" the troops here at DU...n/t

Oops, meant to reply to OP, sorry

[Qanisqineq]

5. my only question is:

why are you making the assumption that they all supported Bush and they all signed up after the Iraq war started? I was speaking of soldiers that do not support the war and do not go AWOL, I was not speaking of those soldiers that DO support the war.

I am fully aware they volunteered at some point in time. However, my husband was out of the army and was called back -- he didn't volunteer that time.

And what Kerry did in Vietnam being relevant or not is a matter of opinion. I am sick of people (not just DU) telling me what a hero Kerry is for choosing to go but my husband is a coward for not going AWOL. I see it as hypocrisy plain and simple. Two illegal wars, the same situation.

[seito]

13. I refuse to pass judgment on a soldier that does not go AWOL

I have passed judgment on this administration. I realize that many, if not most, of the soldiers deployed to Iraq do not want to be there. They volunteered, and the trust they placed in this government has been betrayed.

Thanks to you and your husband for your service. I hope he does not have to return.

[Stirk]

3. What's with all these strawman posts lately?

"We shouldn't support the Iraqi insurgents unconditionally", as if we do now.

"We shouldn't be supporting Kim Jong Il", as if we do now.

"We shouldn't hate the troops so much", as if we do now.

Sheesh.

[Qanisqineq]

6. hate the troops if you want

I wasn't speaking to that. I am only speaking to the hypocrisy in praising Kerry and hating soldiers like my husband.

I am sick of the "Do you support the troops?" threads. I basically already know who does and doesn't. That wasn't what that post was about.

[arcane1]

10. I guess I missed those posts...

I can't recall ever seeing someone on DU say they hate the troops

[Stirk]

16. I don't understand your post at all.

"Hate the troops if you want"? Are you saying that I hate the troops, or that people in general are free to hate the troops?

What I'm saying is this: the title of your thread is insulting to people here as a group, and more than a little sanctimonious. It suggests that people here "hate the troops". Considering this board already has headlines pleading for liberals not to "uncritically support the Iraqi insurgents", it's a tad much for me.

[KG]

7. don't hate me coz i'm beautiful

just my 'knee-jerk responses with very little thought put into it'

[Qanisqineq]

8. CAN I CLARIFY HERE?

I am NOT, I repeat, NOT speaking about "I hate the troops" or "I don't support the troops" directly. I am only saying this... stop and think 60 seconds before you praise those that decided to serve in Vietnam and then hate on the current troops.

[tsuki]

22. Another point. My father knew the war in Vietnam was wrong, immoral.

I went to him and told him that I opposed the war. He told me that he raised me to think and do what is right.

Before he died, I asked him why he went (not once but several times.) He told me that he joined to serve and build a better life for his family. He felt that although the war was wrong, he "owed" the country his personal loyalty and duty. He was a volunteer in 1947. I can understand and admire that explanation.

[cry baby]

25. Out of 64,000 or so DUers, you could probably count of two hands

the number of people who "hate on the current troops" and I resent the implication otherwise. Please link to threads and let's count together how many posters don't support our current troops.

[tsuki]

9. Military brat here. I opposed originally , and still do, the war and

was called all sorts of vile things because of it. But it was only because I knew, that like in Vietnam, the ones that would be SCREWED were the ones that would serve.

Contrary to what has been posted previously about DU'ers not supporting the troops, I have never found that to be true. I just cannot support, either Republican or Democrat, those that sent our troops to Iraq.

In saying that, let me disclaim. The torture, by military personnel, of enemy combatants is abhorrent. I do not support those. I consider them a disgrace to every man and woman that wears a uniform for the United States.

[Imperialism Inc.]

11. There is a big difference between

going AWOL while serving in a war zone and going AWOL while in an already cushy position.
As far as hating the troops, I don't so that is one less person to worry about I guess.

[BuyingThyme]

12. What's the difference between "support the troops" and

"support the sunshine"?

[KG]

15. people don't put 'support the sunshine' ribbon magnets on their cars?

:shrug:

[BuyingThyme]

18. That's it.

It's a discussion about bumper stickers.

Absolutely meaningless.

[Riding this Donkey]

14. Utoh, here we go again!

No one here hates the troops, there may be a handful and I mean handful, who are a radical IMHO about it, but it is a handful.

Please don't label all DUers.

We are against the war, not the troops, whether they go or if they go awol. We are supportive, of it all, that may be why we support Kerry.

But sorry, your point on bush is not taken well with me, because he did dodge it and then brings us into another war when he didn't even have the courage to fight in one himself. If he didn't start another war, maybe I could have some sympathy.

[Qanisqineq]

19. um, that was my point on Bush too

my point was Kerry, but oh well. No one really got the point of the whole thing anyway.

[Riding this Donkey]

20. it was????????? n/t

[Riding this Donkey]

17. why did you delete? n/t

[skids]

21. Yeah I hate all those anti-american types too!

Like this person here trying to blame 9/11 on religion:



Oh wait... that's not a hippy protester -- that's a fundamentalist anti-gay activist, and she actually IS thanking God that 9-11 happened, because of all the good it did getting Bush elected:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1287286

Look, there are people at the extremes on any Internet forum. I'm getting sick, personally, of these posts where all of DU have to hear about how one or two extreme personalities got under so-and-so's skin by being radical.

If a lot of DUers are being asses, then fine. But if it's just one or two people, it isn't something we all need to hear about. We probably already have them set on ignore anyway.

[Ms. Clio]

23. Why would you delete your opening post?

[BuyingThyme]

24. delete