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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:11 AM
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For anyone who doesn't believe that we used Napalm in Fallujah
the please look at the pictures at this link. (Warning: very graphic)


http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album32

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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:15 AM
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1. Dear god... whatever it was that caused those injuries...
is certainly as bad as Napalm... and probably is Napalm. Thanks, I think, for the link.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:17 AM
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3. Oh I'm sure whatever it is
they have some new fancy name for it. Napalm has such bad connotations after all.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:25 AM
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9. "Mark 77"; new improved version that is "remarkably similiar" to napalm
Which the US admitted in 2003 to using in Iraq.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:31 AM
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10. God, Mark 77?
Sounds more like something out of the bible. Gives new meaning to fire and brimstone, I suppose?

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 11:01 AM
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14. Napalm by another name: Pentagon denial goes up in flames
More on Mark 77... http://smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145870882.html?oneclick=true

<snip>

The Pentagon no longer officially uses the brand-name Napalm, a combination of naphthalene and palmitate, but a similar substance known as fuel-gel mixture contained in Mark-77 fire bombs was dropped on Iraqi troops near the Iraq-Kuwait border at the start of the recent war.

"I can confirm that Mark-77 fire bombs were used in that general area," said Colonel Mike Daily, of the US Marine Corps.

Colonel Daily said that US stocks of Vietnam-era napalm had been phased out, but that the Mark-77s had "similar destructive characteristics".

<snip>

"The generals love napalm," the paper quoted Colonel Randolph Alles, the commander of Marine Air Group 11, as saying. "It has a big psychological effect."

Napalm was banned by a United Nations convention in 1980, but the US did not sign the agreement. The US military considers the use of Mark-77 weapons to be legal.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:16 AM
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2. I'm no expert, so it doesn't prove we used napalm (to me)
It does prove we killed a whole lotta people though.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:17 AM
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4. It proves
that we killed a whole lot of people with something that does a good job of boiling them to death.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:19 AM
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5. It was some sort of substance that sticks to the skin...
...that's for sure. You can see in many of the photos that their skin is burned in patches, leaving other parts unscathed. That's certainly consistent with napalm...:grr:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:21 AM
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6. Plus they are not the kind of burns
you see from a normal fire. There's some nasty chemistry being used here.

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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:24 AM
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7. There are people
that make fortunes from that.

People get paid to sit around in think tanks figuring out how they can get that done, for more money, more efficiently.

But hey, what's a few people incinerated here and there. There are billions of us. We're all expendable.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:24 AM
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8. US already admitted to using napalm in Iraq in 2003.
US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

10 August 2003

American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:48 AM
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11. Wow. I had no idea.
No idea that we were still using such awful weapons, & no idea that we refused to sign the UN treaty banning such weapons.

So that makes the claims of them being used in Falluja extremely credible.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:54 AM
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12. US Using Cluster Bombs In Iraq

“The United States should not be using these weapons. Iraqi civilians will be paying the price with their lives and limbs for many years.”

Steve Goose
Executive Director of the Arms Division of Human Rights Watch

While use of the weapon has not yet been confirmed by official U.S. military sources, it is evident from television images and stories from reporters embedded with U.S. units that U.S. forces are using artillery projectiles and rockets containing large numbers of submunitions, or cluster munitions. When these submunitions fail to explode on impact as designed, they become hazardous explosive "duds"—functioning like volatile, indiscriminate antipersonnel landmines.


Human Rights Watch has identified footage of the use of the Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) by artillery units of the 3rd Infantry Division. This is a system that currently uses only submunition payloads. The 1st Battalion of the 39th Field Artillery Regiment of the division deploys at least eighteen MLRS launch units.

<snip>
The standard M26 warhead for the MLRS contains 644 M77 individual submunitions (also called dual-purpose grenades). According to a Department of Defense report submitted to the U.S. Congress in February 2000, these submunitions have a failure rate of 16 percent. Thus, the typical volley of twelve MLRS rockets would likely result in more than 1,200 dud submunitions scattered randomly in a 120,000 to 240,000 square meter impact area.

Human Rights Watch has also seen video of U.S. Marine artillery units supporting the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion using 155mm artillery firing projectiles at Iraqi positions; an embedded reporter described "hundreds of grenades" being fired at the Iraqis. These were apparently the M483A1 and M864 projectiles whose submunitions (dual-purpose grenades) have a 14 percent dud rate. The M483A1 projectile contains eighty-eight dual-purpose grenades, and the M864 projectile contains seventy-two dual-purpose grenades.

http://hrw.org/press/2003/04/us040103.htm

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 11:00 AM
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13. I am sick to my stomach for * ugliness and evilness in our name
:kick:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 11:16 AM
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15. Notice one picture has a victim wearing a vest with
the word PRESS written on it.

He must have written something that displeased the chimp.
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