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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:06 PM
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Holy Shit!! This is what we are facing!
I cannot accept that hateful bigots like this are still standing upright.

From Crooks and Liars:

Jael Phelps says gays should die

On Scarborough Country, Jael Phelps granddaughter of The Rev. Fred Phelps Sr, was among three candidates challenging openly gay council member Tiffany Muller in a nonpartisan primary in Topkea, Kan.

You should look at the Westboro Baptist Church website. It's frightening.

She was trying to defend the practice of their religion. She told a stunned Joe Scarborough:

Phelps: The prescribed punishment for homosexuality in the bible is death.

She then smiled!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

I know this word is politically incorrect, but this woman is a hateful <un+. That is the only way I can describe her. For the first time in history, someone is more conservative than Scarborough.

Is this is what the american people want?
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:08 PM
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1. Why don't they go
join the Taliban, their views are identical.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:08 PM
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2. Jesus wept.
:cry:
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:12 PM
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7. how did this happen...
that christianity became identified with such hate...and that it continues and seems to increasingly be the rationale for such hate.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:18 PM
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10. Because 'real' Christians aren't standing up to oppose it
As the saying goes, "Not In My Name."

There is a problem within the Christian community that has been there for a long time. Those of us on the outside can't go in and fix it and those on the inside don't seem to mind it too much.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:26 PM
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14. exactly...well put.
There are way too many folks who "don't mind it too much." We're not just talking about the back woods, snake handling, strictnine drinking, holy-rollers anymore.

We're up against those mega-churches, the ones that can seat over 5,000 "christians" under one roof twice a week. These aren't toothless free-will, blood of the lamb, baptists. These are really quite "normal" looking, soccer moms and dads.

They want us DEAD.

Or at the very least WAY out of sight and completely SILENT.
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PST Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:34 PM
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21. a very big FUCKING AMEN to that!
these bastards get away with everything all the time and no one stands up to them. and what did that jerk Scarborough do about it btw? he's always so keen on telling his adience he was "born a southern baptist" too. nice peers Joe!
There's a link to their website that made me sick.
fucking imbeciles, the lot of them!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:56 PM
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33. They sure don't seem to mind it, do they?
Not half as much as they mind us outsiders pointing it out to them.

As far as I'm concerned, Silence equals Agreement.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:20 PM
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12. Somewhere in Kabul, someone asked the same question 20 years ago.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:24 PM
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13. because the Bible says that gays should be killed
and the fundies LOVE IT
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:34 PM
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22. well for one thing, the old testament isn't Christianity.
People need to ask these folks whether they are Jewish or not.

Jesus never mentioned homosexuality.

And women should be quiet in (and presumably about) the churchs, so she needs to shut up.

Stuff like this really needs to be said, so thank MSNBC....the more they get exposed for their creepiness, the better.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:09 PM
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3. MSNBC needs to be shut down for promoting "hate speech."
Obviously their tactics to go farther right aren't working with their ratings tanking, yet they keep at it. Maybe we need a letter writing campaign to GE their parent.

They've already had to fire a couple of people for this. Some right wing talk show hate monger they hired and another one that I can't remember the name of. But, my God, their track record is terrible.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:10 PM
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4. Now you can call them Nazis. The Nazis sent Gays to the Death Camps.
The Republican Party is Fascist. Phelps is a Nazi. That's not an exaggeration. That's the corruption and sickness infesting this nation.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:11 PM
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5. In Canada, she would be charged under our hate crime law....
she is advocating for the death of gays and that, imo, goes beyond free speech. What a disgusting piece of crap she is.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:17 PM
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9. I only wish that my country was as enlightened as yours. (nt)
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:34 PM
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20. May I suggest....
...we start the Gay Underground Railroad to Canada now? Why wait for these nutbars to get even more established than they already are?

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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:11 PM
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6. Do I have to haul this out AGAIN?...
Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:16 PM
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8. Thanks. Just the other day I wished I could lay hands on this,
but didn't have time to look right then & later forgot. I just saved it.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:46 PM
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28. I'm glad you did, I have never seen this
and I hope you don't mind but I saved it and put it in my "ammunition" folder. Brilliant....
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:52 PM
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31. Then youi might like this:
USDOF PROPOSAL TO AMEND UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION TO CONFORM TO BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES REGARDING MARRIAGE
<http://www.whitehouse.org/dof/marriage.asp>
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:20 PM
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11. The bible also recomends death for eating shellfish
Does she think maybe we should shoot everyone on their way out of Red Lobster?
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:27 PM
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15. www.godhatesshrimp.com
www.godhatesshrimp.com
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:35 PM
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23. ROTFLOL!
That's too funny!
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:21 PM
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36. And for that matter: www.godhatesfigs.com
www.godhatesfigs.com
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:50 PM
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40. God hates Frogs too
Wasn't there something in the Moses story...
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:27 PM
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16. Please tell me where the bible says that?!
I'm thinking the Book of Nowhere chapter 8 verses 12-14
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:33 PM
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19. Leviticus 20 - something
There's a whole list of instant death sentences.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:40 PM
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26. hmmmm I don't remember reading that the penalty is death
But if people are saying that it must be in there. Maybe I should re-read it.
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:46 PM
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27. Here's my buddy King James
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

They ban every other book that promotes violence, it's amazing how they keep missing this lovely piece of trash.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:36 PM
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25. leviticus 20:13 says it.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 04:37 PM by jonnyblitz
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

the bible is full of heinous crap but christians usually don't read it anyways. we atheists do, though.
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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:48 PM
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29. I believed in God until I read the Bible
Seriously. I was brought up believing in God with all my heart. Then I embarked on a project to read the Bible as completely as I could and in the process realized that man had created a God to be hated and feared rather than loved.

So yes, the Bible literally turned me away from religion.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:01 PM
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42. eating shellfish is also an 'abomination' along with wearing clothes made
of two different fabrics..also planting two different crops in the same field...leviticus also sanctions slavery, burning a bull on an altar...
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:30 PM
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17. She sounds like she is auditioning for mAnn's job.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:32 PM
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18. Interesting choice of names for the young woman.
Jael in the book of Judges in the OT was "the wife of Heber the Kenite" and is best known for killing Sisera, a general of the Canaanite army, by driving a tent peg through his temple with a hammer until it buried itself in the ground.

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Nimrod Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:35 PM
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24. Perfect bible quote for her!
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Timothy 2:12-15)

We need to get ahold of this bitch and inform her that by trying to teach and not remaining silent she is in violation of God's law and will not be tolerated.
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ryan_cats Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:52 PM
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30. The whole Phelps klan sucks.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 04:52 PM by ryan_cats
I'd hate to have that family's karma. How does Kansas put up with their hate hate hate?

They are evil. What kind of sick b*stard show up at funerals for someone who dies of AIDS with a sign that says they deserved to die and that it was God's judgement?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:23 PM
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37. I almost feel sorry for her.
Imagine having the bad luck to be born into that twisted bunch of psychotics??

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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:54 PM
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32. I saw her.
That is one sick chick.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:07 PM
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34. Just for the record you might want to take a look at this story
http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=3017103

Topeka may not be quite as bad as you think.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:13 PM
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35. I'm Presby - we dwell in the New Testament.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 05:14 PM by woodsprite
Much more forgiveness for breaking any of the rules in the Old Testament. We look at the old testament as essentially a history lesson. In a nutshell, Boom! New testament, Jesus is born, Jesus dies for our sins. If we accept him as our saviour and acknowledge that we sin, then we are forgiven. From that point forward, we live with "Liberal" ideals. :) Love one another, support the sick, hungry, poor, needy, and of course, try to follow the 10 commandments. Play fair. If you have a conscience, it helps (that's the problem with repubs). If we flub up, ask forgiveness and really mean it, and start out fresh again trying to do the right thing. Take care of God's creations (environment, all living things, etc.)

Glad there is a new testament since I enjoy my ham, pizza w/ sausage, bacon, and a good shrimp feast every now and then. I also know some Rabbi's that do too, but I'm not telling on them ;)
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:26 PM
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38. Hang the Phelps cult on the Republican party. This is the
type of hatred and castigating they have encouraged. Associate the party with the Phelps cult anytime you get the opportunity.
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Trish1168 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:34 PM
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39. Isn't the punishment for eating shell fish death too?
Afterall, that too is an abomination according to Leviticus. I think Scarborough should have asked her if she eats shell fish....then have his crew come in with a bunch of rocks and to aim at her, because eating shell fish is an abomination. How dare she eat shell fish!! It says so in the bible.

The old testament also says its okay to own slaves. Maybe Scarborough should have asked her how many she owns, since its perfectly okay and a nice source of cheap labor.



:crazy:
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:59 PM
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41. Westboro Baptist Church: 785 273 0325
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:05 PM
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43. she just slammed the phone down on me
she told me that God Hates Fags and then she hung up on me
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:13 PM
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45. kick
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:05 PM
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44. Hey Phelps - do unto others as they would do unto you.
Be careful. Homos are nice people and only hate what you say. Now you want them totally dead. At this point, should any of them really give a damn about you, they might shove that bible up your ass. And it'd be self defense as well.

(BTW: I don't give a fuck about you. You're not worth my time apart from a couple of knee-jerk reactionary comments. Besides, I know full well that crazies like you would become martyrs for the even crazier fanatical followers.)
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