scary scary times....supreme court on the ten commandments and government

[drummer55]

Supreme Court weighs Ten Commandments cases
Justices appear reluctant to adopt blanket ban
Wednesday, March 2, 2005 Posted: 1:48 PM EST (1848 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Ten Commandments displays should be allowed on government property because they pay tribute to America's religious and legal history, the Supreme Court was told Wednesday, in cases that could render a new definition of the role that religion plays in the life of the nation.


more at

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/02/scotus.ten.commandments.ap/index.html

[Justitia]

1. Do you think the death penalty ruling yesterday is for balance?

I suspect that.

I began to wonder immediately - "are they doing something progressive to pre-empt something regressive?"

Color me suspicious.

[98geoduck]

2. Given that the majority in the Capitol has broken about every commandment

I'm not sure how it represents the sytem of government.

[Justitia]

5. Not to menion, only TWO of them are actually laws

No killing, No stealing

The rest are non-legal codes for behavior, handed down by organized religion.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. They better make it airtight then or get ready for excerpts of Dianetics

to be displayed in public buildings, classrooms and the like.

[mongo]

4. How is

"I am the Lord, thy God, thou shalt not have any Gods before me"

NOT an astablishment of religion?

[Roland99]

6. Why not the Beattitudes? Shouldn't Christians be concerned with Jesus

instead of Moses?

[mmonk]

7. Christians don't follow Jesus

Besides, this is a Judeo-Christian nation.

[Roland99]

8. But they *think* they do. That's the point I'm trying to make

I know Christians are not following Jesus's teachings. They are from a splinter group that deified Jesus and denigrated his wife into being a prostitute and they've kept up that charade for 1700 years.

[Tux]

11. Sure

Start that up again. Never mind the atheists and Deists that were founding fathers. Let's make a theocracy and kill all who disagree.

[DistressedAmerican]

9. Check out this similar thread as well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3204064

[Tux]

10. I'm hoping

That they will realize that the 10 Commandments endorsement would give Christians the right to kill or imprison non-Christians. However, if they look at the facts, 10 COmmandments aren't Christian, they're Jewish. Jesus gave 2 rules: love god and love each other as yourself. Period. Now, if Christians would relaize that the Bible has 2 gods: one throws temper tantrums if it can't get it's way and the other would prefer we act a certain way but it's all good. Also, if the 10 Commandments were endorsed and used as law, consider this site - htpp://www.godhatesshrimp.com - which means we'd ban shrimp, lobster, etc since they'd send us to hell.

Also, we'd have to kill gays, communists (they're everywhere), liberals (godless heatherns at lest as employers tell me since I lived in MI), non-Christians, and anyone with a college education (been exposed to godless evolution). Of course, Christians are really fundie Jews that use belief in Jesus as a free ticket to heaven. As long as you beleive, you'll get in heaven no matter what, even if I burned kittens alive. Despite that Jesus basicly said that those go to heaven through him. Not by him but through. Your actions determine if you get into heaven. SIn and goodness get you to heaven or not, karma. Hell doesn't exist but it is nothing, no afterlife. Hell as Christians would send humanity only appears in Revelations. But hey, that means Christians would have to act human so that is thrown out.

"Jesus was a god. You're a godless heathern that will go to hell." Fine. However, it takes an idiot to think that Jesus was a god. He did say that we are god's children. Then he is god's son. He meant that he is god's son like i am god's son as my gf is god's daughter since we're all god's children. Simple enough but 2000 years of reading it, no one understood it. If he really was god and wanted to share a message, why limit itself to the Middle East?

So, looking at Jesus that promoted karma as a means to heaven and promting love to others and to oneself, he taught the basics found in many Asian religions and paganism. He said he'd return so he claimed reincarnation exists at lest for some people.

However, let's all forget that and kill everyone since we can't read the Bible properly and take everything out of context of the books and culture pf the time and discriminate against other based on home state, educational institution of graduation, major, and anything else we can think of. Death to all life is the new Christian motto. Read Revelations and there it is.

Yes, I do have a problem with Christians. If they would read the Bible in context and not discriminate based on stupid crap and let me at lest try to get a job for grad school, I'd be fine.

[AllegroRondo]

12. So which version do we get to display?

Protestant, or Catholic?

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[troubleinwinter]

14. And they are in favor of this, too, as an expression of

Freedom of Religion in our country:

[A HERETIC I AM]

15. The people that fervently promote this nonsense wont be happy

until we are all forced to worship THEIR god in THEIR way. Any drifting from this course will not be tolerated. It is truly a slippery slope back to the time when folks like me can be jailed or even killed for speaking out against religion and/or mythical gods and their necessity (Or lack thereof) for living a moral life. If you truly need the threat of eternal damnation in order to live an ethical, moral life than you need to reexamine your personal mores.

[Vincardog]

16. AMMENDMENTS TO

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION


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1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Allowing the commandments seems a lot like establishing of religion to me. There is a difference between allowing people to freely express their religion and the STATE displaying elegance to a particular religion.

[punpirate]

17. You would think...

... that the Supreme Court would pay tribute to this part of American legal history: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

The issue is not that religion plays a role in American life. It is whether government should sanction any religion.

If the Supreme Court rules in favor of the religious right, this first legitimizes their view that the country was founded as a "Christian nation," which is patently untrue, and second, it opens the door for other challenges on matters of incorporating religious law into secular law, with the argument that a particular religion plays a dominant role in daily life, as upheld by the previous decision.

If the so-called "strict constructionists" were actually that, this suit would not have been heard, for the most obvious of constitutional reasons. But, as we know, they are as activist in their rulings as any justices in the history of the country.